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 VENDOR PRICE FIXING SCAM 
#499220 - 12/23/01 09:44 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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I have been debating over the fact of whether or not I should come out with
this information, and after seriously contemplating it, I have decided to
blow the whistle.
Has anyone ever been aware that many of the spore vendors are involved in
price fixing? And when moderators and so called "prominent members of a
community agree with a so called "reputable" vendor, the masses tend to take
their word for everything they say. This even includes me (until now that
is).
When someone sells a certain strain for a lower price, the "reputable" spore
vendors, and prominent members of the community are quick to say that they
are suspect of the new spore vendor, their prices etc. We have all seen this
happen. Then they say the quality is poor and that you probably wont receive
your orders. They also say in a public forum such as this, that they don't
know how "xyz vendor" can sell for such a low price & cover their cost. That
kind of rhetoric will cast a shadow of doubt amongst all of us. Why? Because
the spore vendors and prominent members in their inner circle know that we
as individuals will put faith in what they say. But Since they are all
involved in the price fixing, they will support each other. We all think
that because the "reputable" spore vendors and prominent members have been
around and know what they are talking about, which is somewhat true, that
their views and opinions are mostly true.
Many of the so-called "REPUTABLE" spore vendors are involved in price
fixing. Yes, they all agree not to sell certain strains below a certain
price. This means we as customers get screwed. From this day forward, we
should be suspect of any spore vendor or person that tries to discredit
another. Especially an individual person who has never done business with a
vendor they are trashing. When this happens, it usually means that the spore
vendor being attacked isn't part of their circle. It's obvious that spore
vendors do not like true competition, but as we all know, when there is true
competition, we as customers benefit.
I'm just extremely pissed off that spore vendors indulge in price fixing. I'
m also pissed off that people slander new spore vendors but never actually
tried their services. Since most of us as the populous do not want to buy
from new spore vendors, we are only making it possible for the price fixing
to continue. I personally have no problem trying new vendors, the more
competition the better. We as a community must put a stop to this price
fixing. Use our own spore prints, trade amongst ourselves and boycott the
mainstream spore vendors, and support the ones who are not well know. If we
all did this for some time, we will truly see fair prices for spores prints
and spore syringes.
I know I'm going to receive a lot of flack for what I'm saying. I know that
there are going to be a few spore vendors who will present themselves as
such and flatly deny what I'm saying. There will also be spore vendors who
pose as individual people and discredit what I'm saying. Then there will be
those who legitimately disagree. But you know what, that is expected. But I
truly ask everyone as a community to really consider the information I had
given to you.
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 dimitri211
Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 04/27/01
Posts: 2,248
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Re: VENDOR PRICE FIXING SCAM [Re: ]
#499228 - 12/23/01 10:03 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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There will also be spore vendors who
pose as individual people and discredit what I'm saying. Then there will be
those who legitimately disagree. But you know what, that is expected. But I
truly ask everyone as a community to really consider the information I had
given to you.
The only problem I have with what you are saying is that you chose to use a sockpuppet to make your claim like a chicken shit pussy.
I feel you are only here to start shit rather that make a true and correct statement come out of hiding and show some heart.
Until then I hope this post will not get much attention
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dimitri211
Carpal Tunnel
Registered: 04/27/01
Posts: 2,248
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Re: VENDOR PRICE FIXING SCAM [Re: dimitri211]
#499230 - 12/23/01 10:10 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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On top of that I have a feeling that you are a vendor with a failing business and made this post so that you could answer it and make yourself come out looking like the top DAWG or honest vendor.
Please get some guts and post honestly under your real nick.
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Nighted
Ghost
Registered: 11/09/01
Posts: 698
Loc: Funkytown
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 Re: VENDOR PRICE FIXING SCAM [Re: ]
#499233 - 12/23/01 10:13 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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You are really talking out of your ass I'm afraid to say. How about you support your allegations with some actual quotes or how about some links pointing out these so-called statements. You accuse others of slander...how ironic. Look the word up in the dictionary some day.
However, I couldn't care less. What I do know, and it's obvious to me, that no one here feels like the are being ripped off when they can feel comfortable sending their money to a reputable dealer and expect a reasonable print in return, a print that is actually from the particular species that they are interested in. Also, I don't know what you've been smoking or I guess I'm not as smart as you, please explain to me: How does a customer get screwed paying $20 for a print? Buy one print and it will replace itself infinitely. Besides, prints have been these prices for years. Do the math. Infinity divided by any number is still infinity.
I say to you sir, life is too short to concern yourself over such trivial things. Go live your life and let others get on with theirs. I think it's fair to say that you could be doing more fulfilling things. It's obvious that there's something missing in your life. Go find it and breathe a breath of fresh air.
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Olgualion
Shaman-In-Training
Registered: 11/13/01
Posts: 1,253
Loc: Currently Earth...
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 Re: VENDOR PRICE FIXING SCAM [Re: Nighted]
#499307 - 12/23/01 11:58 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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"Infinity divided by any number is still infinity."
What about zero! ;)
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See the future...
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 redzone
newbie
Registered: 11/28/01
Posts: 42
Last seen: 22 years, 6 months
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Re: VENDOR PRICE FIXING SCAM [Re: Olgualion]
#499314 - 12/23/01 12:03 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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i've got a solutioin to this......
make your own damn syringes from your own prints from your own mushrooms.
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MAIA
World-BridgerKartikeya (DftS)
Registered: 04/27/01
Posts: 7,399
Loc: Erra - 20 Tauri - M45 Sta...
Last seen: 2 months, 5 days
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Re: VENDOR PRICE FIXING SCAM [Re: ]
#499320 - 12/23/01 12:18 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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I see price fixing as a consequence of the comercial system, it has positive and negative effects as any other aspect. You remarked its negative effects, on the positive side it means the market has reached some stability goals, price fixing lets the consumer be asured that he can claim for quality, as he espect all vendors (as they have the same prices) should have high standards. Also every buyer has the right to complain publically if he gets a low quality product, right now the market is stable and confident, what else do you want ? I think we are not playing in the ram modules market, there's no need for a price war, as a consequence we could have some people out of business and i still like it when people grow a B+ from Richy and realises it's diferent from the B+ from Sporeworks, diversity . Imagine McDonalds goes out of business, i don't like Bugers King hamburgers.
Peace,
MAIA
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Use, do not abuse; neither abstinence nor excess ever renders man happy.
Voltaire
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3ptCrown
newbie
Registered: 11/05/01
Posts: 41
Last seen: 22 years, 9 months
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 Re: VENDOR PRICE FIXING SCAM [Re: Olgualion]
#499322 - 12/23/01 12:25 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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"what about zero!"
i thought zero wasnt a real number or something like that... but i droped out at 16, so what the fucc do i know...
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Jared
Stranger
Registered: 04/22/01
Posts: 8,783
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Re: VENDOR PRICE FIXING SCAM [Re: ]
#499323 - 12/23/01 12:27 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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If I recall correctly.. Anno used to offer prints and syrings for much much less than other vendors... I don't recall any circll illuminatic group trying to discredit him.
You're wrong.
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Majortrippz
enthusiast
Registered: 06/19/01
Posts: 199
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Re: VENDOR PRICE FIXING SCAM [Re: ]
#499437 - 12/23/01 04:12 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's your risk to take when ever you order anything from the web or anywhere... do your research, make your purchases and stop whining...
This is, after all, a representative republic that touts that we are free to do as we feel fit, with in predefined limits, of course. Tthe constitution should read "He who has the cash is king and everyone else, well, fuckem"
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Anonymous
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Re: VENDOR PRICE FIXING SCAM [Re: ]
#499479 - 12/23/01 05:20 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Lets see, $12 for a spore syringe, a case of beer, a gram of pot or a pizza. Hmmm....tomorrow morning I could either have a hangover, a couple roaches, ringburn or the beginning of an amazing science project which will keep me in free mushrooms for the rest of my life.
If the vendors could fix prices, they'd fix that price a lot higher!
Now get back in that laundry hamper you bad sock!
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Jammer
Computers areMORE Addictive!
Registered: 11/04/00
Posts: 3,998
Loc: (God's Country) - USA
Last seen: 19 years, 24 days
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 Re: VENDOR PRICE FIXING SCAM [Re: ]
#499489 - 12/23/01 05:33 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wow.
What a surprise. The term "price fixing" can be applied to a lot of diferent situations. The "market" is allowed much flexability in the US. However sometimes business people can take things to far and get greedy. An example: A few years ago a major huricane hit Florida and some ass-holes got busted for price fixing.... They were driving around selling TAP WATER out of the back of a truck for outragious prices (like $5.00 to $10.00 a gallon to very desperate victims (many were homeless at the time). The goverment needed to step in, this is simply not right.
However, generally speaking, most business'es will settle for what is known as "the going rate". This does not mean that the people are conspiring with each other directly. It's just that the market has settled for a price.
Fuck, why is it no one here yells at the pot growers? I mean, it dosent cost that much for some dirt and a seed.
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Anonymous
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Re: VENDOR PRICE FIXING SCAM [Re: Jammer]
#499583 - 12/23/01 07:11 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Don't all the vendors sell their spores for different prices? Where is the price fixing?
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Anonymous
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Re: VENDOR PRICE FIXING SCAM [Re: ]
#499598 - 12/23/01 07:33 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you want to sell cheap spores noone can stop you!!! No matter how hard they bash you, LOL. Advertise, deliver what you offered, and people will buy from you.
I think you will find, that after advertising, and making or buying STERILE prints to sell, and making a profit, your costs will end up being very close to the established vendors. Which are extremely cheap in my opinion!!!!!
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Azure
old hand
Registered: 12/31/98
Posts: 469
Loc: California, USA
Last seen: 22 years, 5 months
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Re: VENDOR PRICE FIXING SCAM [Re: 3ptCrown]
#499600 - 12/23/01 07:38 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Infinity divided by zero is undefined, since anything devided by nothing cannot be defined. Zero is a real number. An imaginary number is like taking the square root of negative four, which is 2i, since you can't take the square root of a negative number. This number would not be considered a function since there are two solutions to one input, thus making the solution an imaginary number.
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Anonymous
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 Re: VENDOR PRICE FIXING SCAM [Re: ]
#499615 - 12/23/01 08:05 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Would you like some cheese with that whine?
You are free not to buy, no one is holding a gun to your head.
I'm a relative newbie, before my first try I researched as many
vendors as I could on the internet and found prices ranging
from $15 to $60 (not including the spore ring). I have no
problem paying someone for their efforts and experience if
they can do something for me. I also have no problem
refraining from a purchase if I think the price is too high.
I think you're just another whining socialist who thinks he's
entitled to have others do all the work but not charge for their
efforts (you probably think that "from each according to his
ability, to each according to his needs" is a great concept).
If you don't like a price, don't buy it. It's a simple as that. If
you can do better, do so and one day I and many others may
be your customers. It's called freedom, take advantage of it
while you still can.
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Thor
Anti-Theist OVERLORD
Registered: 08/12/98
Posts: 10,017
Loc: Iceland
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Re: VENDOR PRICE FIXING SCAM [Re: ]
#499629 - 12/23/01 08:30 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Whistle Blower = Nushroom aka MicronMagick or McMan aka Myco-Tek
Keep it up boys, ban ban ban ban....
Have a nice day.
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Anonymous
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Post deleted by Anno [Re: Thor]
#499653 - 12/23/01 09:11 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Jammer
Computers areMORE Addictive!
Registered: 11/04/00
Posts: 3,998
Loc: (God's Country) - USA
Last seen: 19 years, 24 days
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 Re: VENDOR PRICE FIXING SCAM [Re: Thor]
#499662 - 12/23/01 09:24 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks for the "heads up"
Happy Holidays!
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Abudiwa
CompleteApparition.
Registered: 08/17/01
Posts: 5,531
Loc: here and there...
Last seen: 4 years, 9 months
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Re: VENDOR PRICE FIXING SCAM [Re: ]
#499664 - 12/23/01 09:28 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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try being here wading through shit.
i promise you its worse than being accused or accusing anyone.
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*user out of date*
the only pms pants gets:
<pants> "WTF UR PIKTUR IS SO STIPID WTF FUCK U"
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Abudiwa
CompleteApparition.
Registered: 08/17/01
Posts: 5,531
Loc: here and there...
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Re: VENDOR PRICE FIXING SCAM [Re: ]
#499665 - 12/23/01 09:29 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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by the way, i didn't read that because i don't respect people with socks.
merry christmas.
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the only pms pants gets:
<pants> "WTF UR PIKTUR IS SO STIPID WTF FUCK U"
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jonnyshaggs420
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Registered: 08/08/00
Posts: 1,965
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Re: VENDOR PRICE FIXING SCAM [Re: Jared]
#499691 - 12/23/01 10:23 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've always thought that spore prices were outrageous. But that goes with the territory when your dealing with "fringe".
The only thing that bothers me is, if anno could succesfully sell prints for such a low price, why can't the other vendors do it? (taking into account anno didn't quit because he wasn't making money, but he didn't have the time to fill all the orders he was receiving)
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Ryche Hawk
A Messenger
Registered: 03/01/01
Posts: 2,112
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Re: VENDOR PRICE FIXING SCAM [Re: ]
#499712 - 12/23/01 10:51 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey Psilocyber, Workman,
I noticed you guys weren't at the Spore Vendor Board meeting this week in Honolulu.
Did you guys get the memo my secretary sent over?
Were all going to pretend were out of Ecuador spores for a month.
And were going to post great pictures of them during that period.
When everybodies interest are peaked, were all going to bring them back
at $20 a syringe !
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-Peace-
High Quality MUSHROOM SPORES and CULTURES for microscopy at www.muShrooms.com
muShrooms.com is the new web site of
www.thehawkseye.com
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Thor
Anti-Theist OVERLORD
Registered: 08/12/98
Posts: 10,017
Loc: Iceland
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Have people ever considered that there is no price fixing, rather that if they go much cheaper it becomes very little profit thus it would be hard to justify running these spore business?
It seems to me we don't argue that most jugs of milk cost the same in the grocery store, its a matter of competition amongst the vendors has the prices at an acceptable level that they all feel happy at, and they all know that going much lower will only hurt themselves...
Take some business classes, this is pretty common sense stuff...
And if you noticed this 1st post by 'whistle blower' comes the day after mcman/nushroom's puppets were both banned, so lets just do the math, this post reaks of nushroom...
Very gutsy to use sock puppets, I think you are all pathetic people who can't even admit to who you are....
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Thor
Anti-Theist OVERLORD
Registered: 08/12/98
Posts: 10,017
Loc: Iceland
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Re: VENDOR PRICE FIXING SCAM [Re: Ryche Hawk]
#499720 - 12/23/01 11:00 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Don't forget Ryche, you pay me off, so I'll see you in Honolulu next month as per usual..
By the way I didn't recieve the latest $10,000 check for this month, is it delayed in the mail?
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jonnyshaggs420
Pooh-Bah
Registered: 08/08/00
Posts: 1,965
Loc: Mid-West
Last seen: 19 years, 21 days
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Re: VENDOR PRICE FIXING SCAM [Re: Thor]
#499732 - 12/23/01 11:13 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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And also in a business class one would learn the concept of Business ethics. The prices are high, because people will pay that price. The more profit the better. Even if prices were say 50% lower the profit margin would still be very good. How can I assume this? Well because there are vendors that succesfully have done this in the past, and still do in the present.
And your milk anaology.....At one grocery store someone might pay 3.29 (the going rate around here) at a military commissary one would pay about 3.19. And yet at a gas station/convenience store one can expect to pay anywhere from 3.49 to 3.89 a gallon. Its all the same milk, its the vendor that jacks the price for his/her own benefit.
There are a few vendors (not just spore vendors) that care about the community, and thus price to get the product out to the people. Then there are others that care about the bottom line profit. Which is what business is about, I can't argue that point. But I can't say I agree with it either.
Disclaimer: These are the opinions of an individual, not to be taken as a general veiw of public opinion. These are the opinions of an individual, not those of a sock puppet. These are the opinions of someone that seeks to see resolution, not slander and harsh bickering.
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Vote Jonnyshaggs in the next election for GOD...Its the responsible choice
Edited by jonnyshaggs420 (12/23/01 11:14 PM)
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Thor
Anti-Theist OVERLORD
Registered: 08/12/98
Posts: 10,017
Loc: Iceland
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There is no 'conspiring' amongst vendors to fix prices, simple as that... They don't talk much to each other in fact, I know this from discussions I've had with many of them..
But what I'm saying is in this 'niche' market prices are at a level that I feel is very fair and definately isn't expensive. The business of running a spore vendor is not an easy one and unless you are lucky, your not making loads of money..
Your milk example is my point, there is very little difference in price, convenience stores charge higher because they are usually closer in proximity and open late hours, thus the extra price.... We all know this, but my point with the vendors is that the prices have 'naturally' settled at the prices they are at now, not by any 'intentional' means..
If it wasn't at an acceptable price level to new vendors entering the market we'd see lower prices offered from them. But obviously those who run these business's have a mark up and an cost on each syringe, if they lower the prices more it makes the whole idea of running a spore vending business very unattractive...
You say you can't agree with either, do you believe that the spore vendors are wrong if they care more about money, and that they would be wrong for caring about the community..
Because I'm quite certain that in some of the vendor's cases, they care for the community AND obviously care about $$$ ... Why else be in business?
But I digress, the original point about there being some intentional discussions behind the scenes to set prices is ludicrous, anyone with half a sense will see that.
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jonnyshaggs420
Pooh-Bah
Registered: 08/08/00
Posts: 1,965
Loc: Mid-West
Last seen: 19 years, 21 days
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Re: VENDOR PRICE FIXING SCAM [Re: Thor]
#499755 - 12/23/01 11:42 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Like I said, all business is about the money. I don't question that. But I just don't like that is has to be that way. Just a personal pet peeve is all. Now about conspiring to fix pricing, I don't really think so. But I think more of a "going with the flow" type of thing is going on. For example: A new vendor comes along and sees everyone else is charging $15 for a syringe, well he thinks about it and even though he only pays $5 to make the syringe, he decides he'll charge $14 for his syringes because everyone else is, and if people will pay that much, he might as well charge that much so he can make more money. Now those may not be realistic figures, but that can't be that far off. I think pricing should be more honest and less about getting such a huge profit.
I appreciate the fact that your willing to have a civil discussion about it without going all willy nilly.
Owe and I was saying I don't agree with the business for profit part. I agree with vendors caring for the mushrooms they sell and the community they are a part of. Don't get me wrong there.
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Vote Jonnyshaggs in the next election for GOD...Its the responsible choice
Edited by jonnyshaggs420 (12/23/01 11:50 PM)
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Anonymous
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Re: VENDOR PRICE FIXING SCAM [Re: Thor]
#499758 - 12/23/01 11:44 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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I just don't see any price fixing going on. The whole idea of price fixing, is to assure that the price of a certain product does not drop below the agreed upon price. If that were going on, wouldn't the "keeper" and his $80.00 syringes be considered an asset by the vendors. The fact that he is shunned, shows how ludicrous the price fixing theory is.
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Ryche Hawk
A Messenger
Registered: 03/01/01
Posts: 2,112
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 Re: VENDOR PRICE FIXING SCAM [Re: Thor]
#499761 - 12/23/01 11:46 PM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sorry Thor, I had to spend some of that money hiring Taliban thugs in case any of these othe vendors dont conform to the
price fixing plan this month. I'll make it up to you at next months meeting in Aruba.
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-Peace-
High Quality MUSHROOM SPORES and CULTURES for microscopy at www.muShrooms.com
muShrooms.com is the new web site of
www.thehawkseye.com
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dioze1
Satans minion inthe war onlaughter
Registered: 11/23/00
Posts: 384
Loc: Up a hogs ass looking for...
Last seen: 18 years, 9 months
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Re: VENDOR PRICE FIXING SCAM [Re: Ryche Hawk]
#499835 - 12/24/01 01:07 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well, I can honestly say this is a new twist on the same ole' shit!!!
Dioze1
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MicronMagick
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Posts: 1,026
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Post deleted by users_request [Re: Thor]
#499878 - 12/24/01 02:13 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thor
Anti-Theist OVERLORD
Registered: 08/12/98
Posts: 10,017
Loc: Iceland
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 Re: VENDOR PRICE FIXING SCAM [Re: MicronMagick]
#499892 - 12/24/01 03:28 AM (22 years, 9 months ago) |
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Oh no, did I upset you, hmmm so you enjoy being attacked like you've done to me time and time.... Payback is a bitch.
In reply to:
FUCK YOU puss it does NOT sound like me at ALL I have NO problems speaking my fucking mind YOU FUCKING NAZI !!!
See thats the problem with the Shroomery, too many teenagers acting like this.....ooops wait, your like 50 yrs old.
In reply to:
After all this IS why you DON'T like me. I mean when I sugguested in the Mod forum how thread talking shit about vendors that are not justified be lock and YOU and your little buddy 3D flamed the shit out of me about how it wouldn't work and piss and moaned about FREE SPEECH.
I don't like you cause your an arrogant asshole who thinks he's smarter than everyone and won't ever stop crying like a little baby. That thread in the mod forum was turned into a flame war BY YOU because you couldn't take no for an answer...
In reply to:
Sorry at my girlfriends family exchanging gifts. Now I also speak my mind and don't hide behind any false persona, unlike other users I state who I am when I'm posting under a different name. Ever since I made the switch to MicronMagick I've always had the AKA NuShroomPharmerII under the picture and I've only used PervertedPete when banned and I've always stated it's ME. I wasn't exposed by anyone other then myself.
HAHAHAHAHAHA, ummmm Bullshit... Click on any of these links to see what I mean, you said 'you were a friend of nushroom, that you posted FOR him' .... The lies continue.
Hydra discount for shroomery members
MicronMagick New Site
Want to Win a Hydropod?
In reply to:
This place was a pissfest from before the I ever became a vendor and it's not going to EVER change until you lay down some guide lines and make everyone stick to them. NOT just people you dislike for however piddly the reason.
Maybe I should goto the Forest Floor and make a contest out of causing a flame war here, mabye that will solve problems..
I don't dislike you for piddly reasons, I dislike you for the fact your an Asshole.... I just thought I should clear that up..
Have a nice day.
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