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Re: I need help connecting to the feminine side of the universe [Re: MOTH]
    #5005766 -

how is the wilderness not feminine? :wink:

In my mind, earth is feminine, its the mother earth, it's Gaia.


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A closed mind is a wonderful thing to lose.

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Re: I need help connecting to the feminine side of the universe [Re: MOTH]
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Yes, all fetuses are female until they are "exposed" to testosterone.  The Y chromosome has this testosterone release programmed into it, while the X chromosome does not.

So Eve must have come first. :grin:

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Re: I need help connecting to the feminine side of the universe [Re: Veritas]
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i love it when artists talk about chromosomes.


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Re: I need help connecting to the feminine side of the universe [Re: redgreenvines]
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Chromosomes are artists. :wink:

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Re: I need help connecting to the feminine side of the universe [Re: Veritas]
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plans are to buildable structures as chromosomes are to lifeforms.

the special case we artists represent is in affirming all creation by creating.

but the chromosomes as part of the living infrastructure are for reference and exchange (not design - really). and as not part of the living infrastructure, they are just food.


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Re: I need help connecting to the feminine side of the universe [Re: redgreenvines]
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Yes, but there wouldn't be artists without chromosomes.

IOW, no blueprints, no building.

Edited by Veritas (12/02/05 01:27 PM)

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Re: I need help connecting to the feminine side of the universe [Re: Veritas]
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next you will tell me
"buildings are artists".

(women!)


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Re: I need help connecting to the feminine side of the universe [Re: Veritas]
    #5006544 -

hehe, no adam had X-chromosome, too until he gave his rib (down-right bar of the X) for the creation of womankind (who arose out of the formerly Y). And suddenly he was male and former male became female :nut: :lol:


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: I need help connecting to the feminine side of the universe [Re: redgreenvines]
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No, I am more poet than artist, so I will say:

artists are like buildings.
constructed according to plans
housing rooms full of ideas
and attics full of dreams.

:grin:

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Re: I need help connecting to the feminine side of the universe [Re: BlueCoyote]
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BlueCoyote said:
hehe, no adam had X-chromosome, too until he gave his rib (down-right bar of the X) for the creation of womankind (who arose out of the formerly Y). And suddenly he was male and former male became female :nut: :lol:



Yeah, I keep noticing that missing rib in all of us guys. :tongue: :grin:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: I need help connecting to the feminine side of the universe [Re: Icelander]
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I get annoyed when I hear the "creation story" in the Bible.

What a handy way for Christian males to claim "ownership" over all women.

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Re: I need help connecting to the feminine side of the universe [Re: MOTH]
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If you like the Indian (and therefore Eastern) Kali, you will no doubt enjoy learning about Adam's first wife (before Eve) Lilith, who refused to lie 'beneath' Adam since they were equals, and so left him to mate with demons! Orthodox Jews still protect newborn babies with talismans from having their souls taken by this archetype of the 'Terrible Feminine.'

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~humm/Topics/Lilith/lilith.html

I have a statue of this image on my shelf of books in 'woman's studies' (next to demonology, and below theology!  :wink: And here is a book all about her:


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: I need help connecting to the feminine side of the universe [Re: MOTH]
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Erase everything you thought you ever learned or knew about balancing out your masculine and feminine energy. Take every yin yang stereotype and make like they are fanciful ideas someone made up.

For humankind alike it comes down to love of self and others and the lack of love for the self and others-fear.

Even lack of love is nonsense. There is more in limitless abundance to be harnessed then any life form that can harness it can know what to do with it. Ever fill up with it to the point of feeling like your going to burst at the seems. WOW thats a great powerful feeling.

We as human beings are all givers and receivers. Love is a self balancing system of giving and receiving. Fear due to lack beliefs is the unbalanced system that just takes, denies and rejects. This is what is to be understood, the difference between how love balances and fear makes us feel off balance and as if we need to be balancing. Male and female stereotypes have nothing to do with it as all humans have the capacity to love give and receive.

If one can give/provide and accept and receive humbly without expecting anything in return or feeling they have to give in return, then they are not in fear but in the security of self love and self worth. Thats how you recognize strength in others. The weak aspect can't give without expecting in return nor accept without feeling in debt-negative about it.

The bottom line is that LOVE both humbly gives and receives freely of itself as love is secure in itself worth and its boundless limitless eternity.

FEAR, hoards and forcefully takes and rejects what comes from out of another's love. When fear gives, it always has a manipulative agenda and expects payback. Fear is a closed restrictive system. Love is an open, free and expansive one.

Love gives AND receives of the self and to and from others. Love is a positive balanced system by its own nature.

Fear takes from the self and others. Fear is like a void, a black hole that sucks things into it and creates a downward spiral, and pulls down like gravity.

If there was no such force as gravity, there would be no feeling need for balance in the first place. You'd never have anywhere to fall down into or know what falling even felt like let alone the crash landing which is what we fear-the pain and damage that results from a bad fall.


Getting into balance with your personal power means getting into love and out of fear, like getting into higher financial net worths and out of financial debt. In love, you keep moving out in an expansive nature in all directions. Love receives from the self by drawing in from the self and pushing the self out.

The polarity at hand has to do with fear being pit as loves opposite when really fear is just where self love and love and acceptance for all is in lack.

Contrary to popular beliefs, we don't truly balance out to our use of power and strength by being 50% love- 50% fear. Fear is a negative and cancels out the love bringing you to zero.

50-------------0+++++++++++++++50 balances out to ZERO-No power.

Replace ALL negatives with positives and you will have positive power and when you have positive power balance is a given because their is no negative creating a gravity pull for you feel you need to counter balance yourself against.


Self love has to do with knowing the love we come from and are made of. In essence, its what we are. Love has to be nothing extra special other then understanding it to be the balanced nature of energy giving and receiving of itself and making more of itself when it builds more. It's an expansive energy, a self fluffing energy, a self sustaining energy.

Love is the best of humankind as it is the energy that nurtures, protects, provides, ensures, stabilizes, grows, cares and is what just IS in all of its glory or lack there of.


We come into full balanced power and strength when we replace the negative fear value with the positive love values.

It's about knowing the worth of the love within you. You won't know your self worth until you know your love. You come to realize it by sharing and giving it to others and yourself. You come to know it and experience its power when you build, construct and create with it.

When you realize the power of your love, the fear washes away and egoic pride is replaced with humbleness of being.

When we fall out of balance, in terms of love and fear, its actually because we are either giving love to everyone but ourselves or, are giving it only to ourselves and no others, or are not giving it at all to the self or others.

Withholding from the self is a negative.

Withholding from others is a negative.

When the bank withholds from you, you have no money, no power. The more you have to borrow or steal, the more you "feel" you "fall" into debt and the more you "feel" you owe life. The burden and pressures increase and life can become miserable and unbearable under the weight.

The bank can and will forgive you of your debts. You first have to realize that the bank and banker is within you, it is The Greater You, the love of you.

Falling out of balance in terms of positives and negatives works like this. Negatives are voids in need of being filled. They create pulls from the positive. Negatives cry out for positives to fill their emptiness. You experience fulfillment when you stop creating negatives to be filled.

Negatives create downward pulls on the positives. If you balance out the good and the bad with the 50 50 scale, you end up with a negative pull draining your positive, throwing you off balance in the process and leaving you with Zero positive power to build your reality with.

Like a bank account, what can you add to your life with zero or negative dollars in it? NOTHING. You have to beg, borrow, or steal to have power to use and create a false net worth with.

Think of the power of money like the power of love. It's a credit. Fear is a debit and love is a credit. People fear falling into debt without ever realizing that all they have to do is stop creating negatives to fall into. stop creating negatives that will pull at you like gravity making you feel like you have to keep balance in the first place.

What use is it if you can balance out your check book if its left with a ZERO or negative balance? You're in trouble if the balance is 0 or in the negatives. There is no power in balancing yin and yang itself. Power itself is balanced. What matters is having a positive net worth.



There is no Power to live, build or create with in a personal account that balances out to zero or in the negatives. Balance is not what you are after. feeling in a need for it is just a sign we are in the feeling fear of falling into all of the negative holes we have created which are pulling down on us.

You quit creating them by quiting seeing them, thinking them, and feeling them. Only our acknowledgment of them brings them to life. The love within fills those holes and voids as it goes out before us before we even get to them.

You develop a way of life, that sees the good and positive in all things. Start accolading it and appreciating it everywhere you see positive. Infuse everything that crosses your path with your love. Open yourself up to receive the loving view of the world from the lover within.

Fill the negs with positives and quit making negatives and you will know the inherent balance of nature and feel no need to get or be balanced. It's a call for more LOVE in your life, from you to you, from you to others and from others to you. It's trifold system-you to you, you to others, and others to you. Love is all inclusive giving and receiving of itself an  expansive building of itself, upon itself from inwards moving outwards it grows and sows and reaps its own reward of being.

:peace: :love:


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Re: I need help connecting to the feminine side of the universe [Re: MOTH]
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EllemyshShade said:
Hey Divided, do you really think so?

I have a Huge park I can walk through anytime I want. It's kinda wildernessy...I take my dog there just about every day.

My question is...how do you get the feminine out of the wilderness? I mean, I know HOW...I feel much more levelheaded after a walk outside in the wilderness. Why do you consider this wild energy a feminine influence?




Well it's not exclusively feminine, but I feel that when I am in the moment and listening to the world around me nothing is lacking. If the feminine is what you need to find then you will find it there, and also if you needed to find masculinity it would be there as well. To my own personal bias nature seems like a strong, gentle, mysterious and silent woman. I guess I don't really feel the wildness, just the steady presence that seems to underly it. It's not female in a hyper-emotional overt way, but in it's grace and elegance.

I'm having a hard time putting what I mean into words. At the risk of being really vauge I'd say that the moment provides you whatever you need. To connect all you need to do is be aware of what is in front of you. Whatever is missing you can find it right here and now.


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2. "We were feeling pretty good so we decided to smoke a few bowls..."
3. "I had to be real quiet because my parents were asleep upstairs..."

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Re: I need help connecting to the feminine side of the universe [Re: MOTH]
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The universe has no sides, it it omnipresent, without center for everything that is IS the center. But since we are talking dichotomies (sp?) here, I too suggest Kali, or Maha-Kali, Kali, the Cause of Time and Energy of Wisdom, and present a yantra for contemplation.
There is too, Earth Mother, a very primal Feminine Form, who resides beneath our feet and within ourselves.

http://www.sics.se/~piak/yoga/yantra/jpg/Kali.jpg


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Re: I need help connecting to the feminine side of the universe [Re: MOTH]
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To me, there are 'negative' and 'positive' aspects to both the masculine and feminine sides. I use the words 'negative' and 'positive' for the sake of description as polarities and should be taken metaphorically and not quite so literally. In fact don't take anything I say literally :smirk:

On Earth at this time, and for the past several hundred thousand years.. the masculine forces on this planet have been.. how shall we say... twisted from their original (true) nature.. and have been abusive and dominating and manipulative towards the Earth and the feminine forces of nature. This has caused major disturbances in the feminine energy as well. In recent times, we have seen female 'empowerment' and the female revolution.. in my opinion this is just a preview of what is to come - the return of the goddess and the subsequent balance of male and female energies.

From another perspective.. we have two hemispheres of the brain. It is generally accepted that the left hemisphere is the rational male aspect, while the right hemisphere is the creative and emotinal female aspect. One of the biggest problems with our people is that the hemispheres are out of balance. Some people will 'reside' in one hemisphere almost exlusively. As a society, we have taught each other to block out emotions, half of being human.. this is especially true with males. Major disturbances in the balance and distribution of masculine and feminine energy. Destructive forces. As above, so below.

You see, as spiritual entities temporarily residing in an unfathomably complex biological organism, we have available to us and built in.. both of these aspects. We incarnate as a certain sex, which determines a few things.. but souls are not male or female.. souls are both. We experience physical life as one of two sexes (most of the time..) and generally exude the traits of that sex. However, when the hemispheres of the brain are not in harmony with one another, we are not a "whole" being. A male that is too detached from his emotional feminine aspect is not living up to his full potential as a loving male entity. Likewise, a female that is too detached from the masculine energies is also out of balance.

The key is to harmonize the hemispheres of the brain. This is an internal process. When I relate to the 'positive' aspects of either feminine or masculine energies.. I think of them on a basis of love. When I relate to the 'negative' aspects, I think of them based on fear and control. We must have the positive aspects of both 'sides' in harmony with each other, for unity with ourselves.

The feminine energies have been psychically raped and dominated and oppressed for thousands of years. This has lead to much confusion regarding the original nature of these energies.

The female presence I know, the goddess.. is Earth.. the womb of life. It's the oceans. It is salvia. The moon.

The male presence, is the sun. The universe.

These are the positive aspects of both of these energies, in their purest unadulterated form, from my persepctive.

They don't call it mother nature for no reason. Nature supports and provides for all life. And can also be cruel and unmerciless, if you are not in harmony with it. Nature is very, very ancient, and very wise, and full of divine compassion and understanding and love. But it wont put up with a bunch of bullshit eternally. Eventually nature will strike back if it is abused for too long.

The Earth is our goddess.

Salvia to me is a very feminine energy. The salvia entity, I regard as a very powerful, ancient, feminine force. The force of nature. In it's purest form. Every breakthrough with salvia for me, is a reminder of who I am and what I am supposed to be doing.. or a slap in the face if I am way of course.. exactly what I need. Salvia personifies the female force of nature in my mind.

The positive feminine energies I know.. are creative, loving, emotional, compassionate, and nurturing.

The reason for males and females is that so we may learn from each other and ultimately live together in perfect harmony, at least that is the goal. We are meant to complement each other, not control. That is our nature.


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Re: I need help connecting to the feminine side of the universe [Re: Shroomism]
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Where do hermaphrodites fit into all of this?

Like spiritual hermaphrodites...

and sexless beings.

You see, I always figured that we all had a male and female side within us. Except my female side was so malnurished I supplemented it by creating the idea that the perfect human was one who was neither male or female...sexless, really.

To remove from myself the "responsiblity" of gender.

is is possible to be totally "sexless?"

I am so heavily attracted to the idea of sexlessness and/or ambiguous sexuality that I created a character for my book like that to explore things.

I feel sexlessness is close to my heart since I have often felt this way. I have never fit the "prototype" of a typical girl...I've always felt like the odd one out. Weird. Yet I wasn't a guy either...so I just kind of started thinking myself as neither male or female. I got very hung up on the idea of everyone being "just people," discounting any gender "stereotypes."

I think this manifested itself in various ways as I was growing up...for instance, when my problems with self mutilation started, the first thing I attacked was my developing breasts. I didn't even know what I was doing at the time. I think I have better insight now.

It is just so hard of me to categorize people, even as "male" or "female." I feel like gender is so twisted in our society that I have no platform from which to launch off of. I began this post about the feminine, but really, I am positive I have no clue about what is genuinely "female" or "male." I don't really trust interpretations of what is male or female because how do I know we haven't all been fed the wrong information over the years based on our ridiculously sick society.

I guess I have to go with my interpretation of God, which is beyond all gender and yet including both. In my head, sexless androgyny is more beautiful then being male or female.

So in the start of this thread I made a big deal about getting to know the feminine. But now I am back where I started to begin with long ago, feeling that we are all just people and it is impossible to try and place categories on what is feminine and what is masculine. I don't know if this view is wrong or not, but it makes the most sense to me.

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Re: I need help connecting to the feminine side of the universe [Re: MOTH]
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Right on.. just go with what works for you. You're right, people are just people.. and I think it's pretty cool that you were able to bypass the gender stereotypes that are pounded onto everyone.

a 'spiritual hermaphrodite'.. or sexless being... I would probably just call it a whole or integrated spirit, having both 'sexes' in perfect harmony.

I think we're in for big changes in the near future,.


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Re: I need help connecting to the feminine side of the universe [Re: MOTH]
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let go of the warrior... just focus on the peace, no need to get too fancy, but bring back the fantasy, try writing a fantasy story where there is no violence, just magicians, a sorceress maybe, healing a lot of plants, and stuff, maybe there is no conflict at all, just a description of a fun day in some woodsy village, this will help you... the problem with many fantasy stories is the over use of the conflict model, I've always thought, how can this be a fantasy, theres always so many problems coming up haha... it doesn't need to be like that, a story can actually be very entertaining without any real concept or point to it just descriptions, THATS WHAT US WOMEN LIKE!!!


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Re: I need help connecting to the feminine side of the universe [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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gettinjiggywithit said:
Erase everything you thought you ever learned or knew about balancing out your masculine and feminine energy. Take every yin yang stereotype and make like they are fanciful ideas someone made up.
...



I realise you posted this 7 years ago and may never read this response, but your post solves a massive problem of mine in my life right now. Cheers :thumbup:


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