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OfflineLimelight
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This is a dumb question... but why hasn't my ass been kicked yet?
    #4965893 - 11/21/05 09:11 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Alright.. this may be a new question for the shroomery, i'm not sure if there's anyone else in my shoes or not. Hopefully there is, because i'd like some help with this.. it makes me very uneasy.

Basically.. i've done a lot of psychedelics and drugs, but I've never been 'scared' or 'worried.'
I realize i could quickly fix this 'problem' by taking 8g of shrooms or something like that, but i'm not looking to push my limits. I'm simply seeking the answer to why I have not yet.

In the beginning.. I took about 6x ~2-2.5g doses of mushrooms througout the course of a year. Each time was fabulous and amazing. NOTHING bad about it. However, I was left wanting more... It was great fun, but nothing mindblowing.

Then I ate an eighth, and i felt like i didnt really trip that hard, it felt sort of like a 2g trip. I figured they were shitty mushrooms or something.

Then I ate 2/3 of an eigth with the juice of 3 squeezed lemons. NOTHING happened at all. I was frusterated at this point because it seemed every time i tried to take the shrooms, i wouldnt get past level 1 or 2.. even with the lemon trick and the eighth.

I then decided my tolerance must be high, so I took about 5g just the other day. I had a fucking AMAZING trip. it blew my mind. I couldn't even use words, I could barely put on my coat. Just my freind saying "you ok?" overloaded my senses. However.. i didnt even come close to being scared or worried or freaking out. It was a wonderful time. My friend who ate 3.5g of the same shrooms didnt trip as hard as me, and he was sorta anxious about everything (i can tell he didnt trip as hard by the way he was acting compared to how i was).

Well, i figured it musth ave been set and setting that helped me.. however i still doubt i could have had a bad trip unless i tried. everything seemed so solid and right on.

THEN.. i did DMT. I was very very nervous because my exgf did it and said it was the scariest thing of her life. I tried 4 times and didnt break through.. it wasnt scary at all, just awesome visuals. I was going to try an almost breakthrough dose, when I said "fuck it.. im going for the breakthrough right now."
so.. i loaded 70mg in the pipe, and smoked it all. I got to about 2nd hit when i passed out on the bed and broke through. I was sucked into another world where these 3 gnomes/entities talked to me in this alien language. i saw these brilliant staircases made of designs.
The 2 people i talked to that did it before me siad that were scared shitless.. and at some points wish they had died because it was so scary.
However... I personally was never scared even once. I was nervous as fuck before doing it.. because of what they told me. but when i broke through it was completely cool.. NO worries or being scared. When it was over i was like "wow.... i thought it was going to be a lot worse than that." i know for a fact i did break through

well.. then i figured maybe its just because i broke through, but not to a higher level. Well then 3 of my other friends smoked the rest of the dmt.
my 1 friend tried 2 seperate times and got scared shitless before the 3rd toke. He said he didnt want to break through because it was too scary, so he pushed the pipe away.
my otehr friend said she didnt break through, but she was sort of happy because she was so scared.
This is the one that really gets me.... my 3rd friend whose done hardcore drugs his entire life even freaked. Hes done massive amounts of DXM, mushrooms, lsd, 5-meo-amt, etc etc etc. Hes reached level 5 trips numerous times. Hes weird to talk to .. you can tell the drugs have affected him. Yet, he said "dude... i could have broken through if i wanted to... but that shit was too fucking scary. i decided to stay in this reality..."

So yeah... here i am haveing a perfectly wonderful time on all these experiences, and NUMEROUS different friends of mine have all been scared in the same/lesser instances.

My concern is that sometime im going to take it for granted and take a little too much, and its going to kick my ass so hard. Even though i am VERY careful every time i do psychedelics.. i'm worried that just from habit, even though im careful, that if i ever have a bad time it will be VERY bad.
Why do you think i am lik ethis? i dont konw if this is a stupid question or not.. im just confused :sad2:

ironically,... i get paranoid on weed :rofl: i always think about growing old and dying and shit and i get depressed.


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Offlineph30n1x
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Re: This is a dumb question... but why hasn't my ass been kicked yet? [Re: Limelight]
    #4966022 - 11/21/05 09:34 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

LOL omg. i had  a bad trip on half an eighth of shrooms once, u are a lucky bastard. the weed thing is very very bizzar btw. maybe its wat you do when your high. when your on shrooms nature is where its at, but when your high nature may not be as fascinating and such a quiet setting wile your high could have an adverse effect. i no when im high i either wanna dance to my favorite music or play guitar or just be an idiot.  you should try just being a complete idiot, it may just work.  from what ive experienced and from what ive heard from friends experiences, i wouldnt think your going to have a bad trip any time soon if u plan each one as well as your previous ones.  but when u do have a bad trip, which i supposed everyone gets at liest one. there will be one time where you go through with a trip when cirtain details of your plan fail and those details end up becoming a governing factor in the state of your trip and something bad may happen. then again u seen to plan your trips rather carefully, theres no reason u wont have any bad trips ever! but if u do, yes it will be much harder than it would be for someone whos experienced them before because at liest there may be a slight reminiscent aspect to the scaryness for them. where as you'll be a spanish dude in china. but like i said before, there is no reason u cant go your whole life without having a single bad trip.  as long as you keep your plan in mind and have the will-power to hold off on a trip for plan related reasons. another thing, if u could do me a gigantic favor, pm me how u plan your shrooms trips, perhaps your most plesant not too extremly intence mushroom trip. i need some pointers cause im afraid i have bad-trip syndrome. good vibes your way man :mushroom2: :mushroom2:


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Re: This is a dumb question... but why hasn't my ass been kicked yet? [Re: ph30n1x]
    #4966125 - 11/21/05 09:57 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

You ever get scared to go into those Haunted house fair ride things?
Of course not.
That's because you know the scariest thing about it is the carney's gingivitis.
Your not scared so you don't have bad trips.
I get super paranoid on weed as well. Start to get stuck in way to much deep thinking. Things start to bother me about the world. I start to feel like life is depressing. With shrooms there's always the "look at the pretty colors man" escape code.


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Re: This is a dumb question... but why hasn't my ass been kicked yet? [Re: musher_420]
    #4966403 - 11/21/05 11:09 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

It took me 15 years and hundreds of trips before I had a trip where I got scared.  I thought I could handle my high, no matter what.  Boy did I get surprised.  There is no telling if or when it may happen to you.  You can be just as high happily as you can be scared and it sounds like you are good with keeping it happy.  If you ever do get scared, use your positive experiences and knowledge to fight it off.  It was my history of tripping that saved me that night.  Good luck if/when it happens :smile:


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Re: This is a dumb question... but why hasn't my ass been kicked yet? [Re: Underhillmaster]
    #4967445 - 11/22/05 08:51 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Underhillmaster said:
It took me 15 years and hundreds of trips before I had a trip where I got scared.  I thought I could handle my high, no matter what.  Boy did I get surprised.  There is no telling if or when it may happen to you.  You can be just as high happily as you can be scared and it sounds like you are good with keeping it happy.  If you ever do get scared, use your positive experiences and knowledge to fight it off.  It was my history of tripping that saved me that night.  Good luck if/when it happens :smile:




Thanks buD :smile: would you mind telling me what it was that caused your bd trip? You dont have to tell me about your trip.. just perhaps what caused it.


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Re: This is a dumb question... but why hasn't my ass been kicked yet? [Re: Limelight]
    #4967452 - 11/22/05 08:53 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

hey ph30n1x - yeah it is weird about weed. The exact samet hing happens to me as the other poster musher420. I always feel lik elife is so boring and insignificant and most of all fake.
But i will most definitely post how i plan my trips when i get back from class. im just going to eat now, and ill be done later otday. Peace guys


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Re: This is a dumb question... but why hasn't my ass been kicked yet? [Re: Limelight]
    #4967592 - 11/22/05 09:39 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

You know one way to have a bad trip is to enjoy it. I enjoy seeing scary movies. I had a trip that was so bad I was yelling I WILL NEVER DO DRUGS AGAIN. Well I did drugs again but I remember exactly why I said it, and I guarantee I will say it again and continue my mushroom loving. After a bad trip I would go back into the bad trip because exploring that world is amazing. The good trips are more amazing however I learn stuff when I have a bad trip.


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Re: This is a dumb question... but why hasn't my ass been kicked yet? [Re: mikeownow]
    #4967875 - 11/22/05 11:14 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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mikeownow said:however I learn stuff when I have a bad trip.




^ This is exactly why I actually DON'T recommend fighting off a bad trip.

Think about this...

Good and bad are subjective terms based on our own individual ideas of what is. It is based on our own morals.

If you are having a trip that is getting scary, and you choose to try to resist the 'bad trip', you are actually going to GIVE yourself a bad trip. Because it's your RESISTANCE TO WHAT "IS" in ANY given moment in life (including those extremely time-dialated moments on psychedelics) that causes one to "feel" distressed.

In other words, the contents of a trip cannot be good or bad. That part is up to you. It's ALL in how you choose to look at it.

Always go with the flow, whether your thoughts are disturbing to you or incredibly uplifting. These thoughts are being pushed on you for a reason.

In my opinion, the seemingly 'random' thoughts one might find themselves immersed in on an intense trip are just messages from one's subconscious. It's YOU trying to communicate with YOU.

In example... say someone with a strong fear of death trips on a strong enough dose to have some decent thought intensity. Given enough time in a racing mind state,, the trip will inevitably reach a point where something reminds them of their fears. Suddenly there are two options:

a) You can immediately try to think of something else and push whatever you fear out of your mind. This is a short term solution. It makes you feel better 'now' (ie, in that moment of your trip) but it does not offer a further benefit to be had after you come down and try to integrate the experience.

On the other hand:

b) You can choose to face the intensity; despite the fact that it activates a sense of fear in you. This allows you to really look your fears in the eye and ask yourself whether or not they are rational fears. If the fear is irrational, (ie, a fear of death, a fear of something that is 100% inevitable) you can use logic after the fact to determine that the fear is no longer needed.

So which is it?:

Do you want to be okay now, but feel empty later when you're trying to figure out what you learned from the experience?

Or do you want to be scared now, but feel reborn later when you realize you've freed yourself from your own prison?

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P.S. The 'you's in the above text are generalized and are not directed at any particular individual.


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Re: This is a dumb question... but why hasn't my ass been kicked yet? [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #4967914 - 11/22/05 11:31 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

My bad/scary trip happened the first time I tried lemon. See the community experiment thread. Basically I took a bit over 3 grams(my average fun level 3 eaten dose) powdered in lemon juice and was totally unprepared. I have eaten 10g on numerous occasions in my life and this was beyond that. I went through the whole FEAR of did I take to much, and what have I done lol. Luckily, I had a lifetime of tripping experience to let me know that it was the drugs and that I would be ok. At one point, I began to worry that I might die, so I tried to meditate and regulate my breathing, but I panicked and hyperventilated lol. I passed out for a few minutes, but when I came to, I wasn't as scared. I was finally able to 'let go' and actually enjoy part of my peak. The only thing I can think of that caused my fear, was the unexpected strength of lemon shrooms. Basically I took 3-4x more than I thought I did. Had I had a more accurate idea of what to expect, I probably would have done better.


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Re: This is a dumb question... but why hasn't my ass been kicked yet? [Re: Limelight]
    #4967934 - 11/22/05 11:39 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

You get exactly what you need when you need it. Don't ask why. You have had experiences that you need to have. Including the feeling that life is pointless during your weed experiences. The whole thing, all you know, is important. Do not ignore any of it. Do not grasp on to any of it either. Tricky thing, life is. :wink:

I would suggest some night time psychedelic excursions if you are having such good experiences. Mix up set and setting. Also do not look for mushrooms to increase every time you up the dose. Hell sometimes the same intensity is carried over on lower doses from higher ones. And on another note, everyone reacts differently to different drugs. Just because you can smoke (70mg?, try 100-150.) and not be scared but all your friends are doesn't mean much. You have a fairly positive reaction to DMT, good job, I guess, if that is what you wanted on that one. You will get your ass kicked, when the time comes. I just ask myself why in the FUCK are you asking when you are going to get your ass kicked?? :grin:

It is not particularly pleasent. You can't make it happen before it does, sorry, just sit back and relax and enjoy yourself, man!


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Re: This is a dumb question... but why hasn't my ass been kicked yet? [Re: mecreateme]
    #4968545 - 11/22/05 02:31 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Man thats like me as well, I smoke weed and I get paranoid about cops and shit, then I get nervous and its just not good unless I'm by myself and some where completely isolated from the world. If I'm not I just get paranoid, nervous, and scared and it sucks. When I trip though I want to walk up to a random group of pepole on the street and just shake their hands. I've never had a bad trip, even when I took woodrose seeds at a party, I was like what the hell is going on but was never scared.

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Re: This is a dumb question... but why hasn't my ass been kicked yet? [Re: sic_zim85]
    #4968728 - 11/22/05 03:24 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

seems wierd to me.


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