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Natural Versus Synthetic Psychedelics
    #4963856 - 11/21/05 12:16 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Here is a talk given by Sasha Shulgin worth listening to in case you weren't aware of it..

http://www.matrixmasters.com/podcasts/SashaShulgin/SashaShulgin-NaturalvsSynthetic.mp3

There is also a talk on this page given by Ann Shulgin about the Shadow.

http://www.matrixmasters.com/pn/speakers/Shulgins-bio.html


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Re: Natural Versus Synthetic Psychedelics [Re: dante]
    #4963907 - 11/21/05 12:38 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Eh, it's all chemicals in the end. Just because something came from nature doesn't necessarily mean that it's better for you than something made in a lab. Datura vs. LSD? Maybe kind of an extreme example comparing Datura to ANYTHING, but it proves that natural != better.


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Re: Natural Versus Synthetic Psychedelics [Re: WillieTomg]
    #4964550 - 11/21/05 03:12 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Well...if you ask the natives who practice rituals, they will tell you that a synthetic drug has no spirit...once it goes through the hands of those trying to profit from its use, the chemical being extracted/synthesized...its a human process, and can cause the true message to become distorted. It's also not "just chemicals"...natural psychedelics contain other various alkaloids that make up the whole of the experience, giving full meaning.

If you want a scientific standpoint, you need to look at the chemical compounds. Chemically, the most "true" psychedelic preparation you could ingest is ayahuasca. Most of the standard psychedelics are indolic alkaloids (mescaline is not technically one of these, but is very closely related in structure)...these are basically "super" neurotransmitters in the brain. DMT, 5-MeO-DMT, Harmine/Harmaline are produced by the pineal gland through the conversion of tryptophan-serotonin-melatonin-pinoline, and then yielding the psychedelics. DMT is the most "original" or simple compound of the psychedelics, and the most readily accepted by the brain...as it is a naturally produced compound along with an MAOI. Psilocybin and psilocin are very closely related to the DMT structure...once you start looking at ergine and LSA, and then LSD, you will see that the chemical structure becomes more complex. All of these tryptamines interact in the brain in similar ways, but the most simple of compounds will give the greatest effects.

Lots of times you may hear that LSD is not as spiritual or "earthy" as mushrooms or other psychedelics...because it's a synthesized, complex chemical. It's not the "full truth" from the psychedelic experience, as compared to other alkaloids. That's not to say that I think LSD is bad to use or anything...because of the fact that it's active in such small doses, and can be sold in blotter form easily around the globe makes it the psychedelic that can influence many people. Still, for the serious seeker of truth, it is best to grow, harvest, and consume one's own plant. I haven't done this yet, but hope to soon.


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Re: Natural Versus Synthetic Psychedelics [Re: WillieTomg]
    #4964789 - 11/21/05 04:04 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

WillieTomg said:
Eh, it's all chemicals in the end. Just because something came from nature doesn't necessarily mean that it's better for you than something made in a lab. Datura vs. LSD? Maybe kind of an extreme example comparing Datura to ANYTHING, but it proves that natural != better.




Did you listen to the talk? This is what he speaks about.

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DMT is the most "original" or simple compound of the psychedelics, and the most readily accepted by the brain...as it is a naturally produced compound along with an MAOI.




Interestingly enough, DMT was synthesized before it was found in nature. Shulgin addresses this.

Everybody should listen, its very good. Besides, its Sasha!


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Re: Natural Versus Synthetic Psychedelics [Re: dante]
    #4964950 - 11/21/05 04:37 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Cool, I just checked out that first link. Very interesting. Nice find!


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