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Harry Reid: I Didn't Read The Prewar Intelligence
    #4955654 - 11/19/05 12:26 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

From http://ace.mu.nu/archives/134370.php --

Harry Reid: I Didn't Read The Prewar Intelligence, But I'm Pretty Sure That If I Had, I Would Have Been Misled

Scandalous that only six or so Senators even bothered to read the NIE. reference here -- http://inthebreach.blogspot.com/2005/11/harry-reid-didnt-read-intel-prewar.html

You know the real reason they didn't bother? Because everyone was certain Saddam had WMD's and had some level of cooperation with Al Qaeda.

But it's absolutely breathtaking that children who didn't have the time to read an 80 page digest of intelligence now claim to have been "misled" by documents that remained pristinely in their high school lockers for the entire semester.

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Re: Harry Reid: I Didn't Read The Prewar Intelligence [Re: Phred]
    #4955675 - 11/19/05 12:35 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

first, lets get a real source. that site is INSANE.


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Re: Harry Reid: I Didn't Read The Prewar Intelligence [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #4955684 - 11/19/05 12:39 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

What, the Washington Post isn't a "real source"?



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Re: Harry Reid: I Didn't Read The Prewar Intelligence [Re: Phred]
    #4955701 - 11/19/05 12:46 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

you should link to the post directly, not the link you provided.

i dont feel it should site reid over the other 95 senators that didn't read it and their certainty proves nothing and nothing about any of this makes me think there was a lack of misleading efforts. They should have read it, all of them, but this seems to be a straw man and a non-sequitor.


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Re: Harry Reid: I Didn't Read The Prewar Intelligence [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #4955750 - 11/19/05 01:00 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I gave you the links and suggested you check them out. If you want to follow Reid's example and not read the information I provide, that is of course your choice.

I link to the sites I quote for three reasons --

-- to give credit to the people whose words I quote, rather than have people think I came up with their eloquent phrases myself
-- because the forum rules require it
-- to encourage the readers of the thread to explore further any embedded links in the source on their own.

Sorry if you find that unacceptable. I assure you others appreciate the effort.

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i dont feel it should site reid over the other 95 senators that didn't read it and their certainty proves nothing and nothing about any of this makes me think there was a lack of misleading efforts. They should have read it, all of them, but this seems to be a straw man and a non-sequitor.




The reason it is neither a straw man nor a non-sequitur is that it is Harry Reid who is the Democrat's lead attack dog on this whole "we were duped!" canard. Kind of hard to claim one was duped by bogus intelligence when one admits in public one never even read the intelligence which was (oh-so-cleverly) designed to dupe. Of course, if you had bothered to actually go to the link I had so thoughtfully provided, you would have noticed it was not just Reid being "sited" (sic), but John Kerry and Hillary Clinton as well.



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Re: Harry Reid: I Didn't Read The Prewar Intelligence [Re: Phred]
    #4955842 - 11/19/05 01:18 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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When asked if he had read it, former presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry (D.-Mass.) said: "“I got briefings. I got a personal briefing at the Pentagon."




In the last campaign, they published his attendance reports. Kerry was on the Senate Intelligence Committee, and he had one of the worst attendance records in Congress. He wasn't even available to be "lied" too.

They talk about how they don't see the same intelligence the President sees. I guess that is because they either don't show up or bother to read the reports.

You have to wonder what our Congressmen are actually doing for all the money we spend.


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Re: Harry Reid: I Didn't Read The Prewar Intelligence [Re: Phred]
    #4955847 - 11/19/05 01:20 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

i did read it. all that shit. the title picks out read, and then the article uses 2 other dems, yes, but says nothing of the other senators including republicans. maybe the actual article from the post does.


and yes thank you for providing me with a site where i can find info on larry the cable guy's political writings, info about how the american civil liberties union is the most dangerous organization operating in the US today, et cetera.


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Re: Harry Reid: I Didn't Read The Prewar Intelligence [Re: JesusChrist]
    #4955895 - 11/19/05 01:31 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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In the last campaign, they published his attendance reports. Kerry was on the Senate Intelligence Committee, and he had one of the worst attendance records in Congress. He wasn't even available to be "lied" too.




Indeed. He was absent from 76% of the Committee meetings.





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Re: Harry Reid: I Didn't Read The Prewar Intelligence [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #4955931 - 11/19/05 01:38 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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i did read it. all that shit. the title picks out read, and then the article uses 2 other dems, yes, but says nothing of the other senators including republicans.




Why would it say anything about Republicans? It's not Republicans whining they were "duped" by intelligence they never bothered to read (then again, Karl Rove is so all-powerful they didn't even HAVE to read it, you see -- he embedded secret microchips in the reports which beamed misinformation directly to their subconscious minds through the fillings of their teeth), it's Reid and his cronies.

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and yes thank you for providing me with a site where i can find info on larry the cable guy's political writings, info about how the american civil liberties union is the most dangerous organization operating in the US today, et cetera.




Glad to be of service, though I find it amusing that once presented with facts your best riposte is to complain about the advertisers bloggers use to pay for their bandwidth. I presume you'd feel better if the adverts were for Noam Chomsky's latest screed or T-shirts with "Bush=Hitler" silk-screened on the front?




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Re: Harry Reid: I Didn't Read The Prewar Intelligence [Re: Phred]
    #4955973 - 11/19/05 01:46 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

im saying it doesnt say much of anything about how reps didnt read shit either, i get why the secondary sources concentrate on dems, and if the real article talks about both i get why it wasnt linked to.


your second remarks dont even warrant consideration.


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Re: Harry Reid: I Didn't Read The Prewar Intelligence [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #4956027 - 11/19/05 01:56 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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your second remarks dont even warrant consideration.




Nor did your non sequitur about the adverts on the website, but I do try to be thorough in my replies. I'm a Canadian by birth and we are polite to a fault -- if someone thanks me, I am trained to respond with a "you're welcome," or "don't mention it," or "glad to be of help". Blame my parents.





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Re: Harry Reid: I Didn't Read The Prewar Intelligence [Re: Phred]
    #4956045 - 11/19/05 02:00 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

it was not a non-sequitur and was directly pertinent to the website and its links which it was in direct response to. a non-sequitur is when a conclusion does not follow from an arguments premises, i dont see how this has any bearing there at all.


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Re: Harry Reid: I Didn't Read The Prewar Intelligence [Re: Phred]
    #4956082 - 11/19/05 02:06 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Phred said:
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In the last campaign, they published his attendance reports. Kerry was on the Senate Intelligence Committee, and he had one of the worst attendance records in Congress. He wasn't even available to be "lied" too.




Indeed. He was absent from 76% of the Committee meetings.





I have read that number awhile back, but reading it again makes me sick.

Intelligence/National Security is one of the most important issues facing this country. John Kerry can't be bothered to attend the meetings?

I would guess that the people on that committee have unbelievable access to American Intelligence. If we have serious concerns about intelligence, we should also have serious concerns about the lack of oversight by people in charge like John Kerry. When are we going to ask people to stop running their mouths and start doing their jobs?


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Re: Harry Reid: I Didn't Read The Prewar Intelligence [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #4958684 - 11/20/05 01:55 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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t was not a non-sequitur and was directly pertinent to the website and its links....




Do you honestly not grasp the difference between the advertising in media and the content of that media?

You were bitching that there were adverts for conservative-oriented gear on a site that provided links to papers of record such as the Washington Post.

By your criteria of credibility, then, each time someone links to a site with an advert for Che Guevara T-Shirts, readers should just close up the link and save themselves the time.




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Re: Harry Reid: I Didn't Read The Prewar Intelligence [Re: Phred]
    #4958834 - 11/20/05 03:05 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

you never addressed how it doesnt name any republican senators even though they are in the majority. like i said, perhaps the post article does, but the links provided pick out 3 democrats for obvious purposes. It does not link to the post concerning the article, it selectively references it.

you haven't addressed the content issue, the references, or your misuse/misunderstanding of the term non-sequitur.


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Re: Harry Reid: I Didn't Read The Prewar Intelligence [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #4958880 - 11/20/05 03:36 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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you never addressed how it doesnt name any republican senators even though they are in the majority.




Try to follow along, okay?

If we take Reid at his word -- that only six senators even bothered to read the NIE -- it clearly follows that the vast majority of Republican senators didn't read the NIE. There is no need for the Washington Post to name them, just as there is no need for the Washington Post to name the vast majority of Dem senators who didn't read them.

Reid gets mentioned by name because he's the one who made the claim. Now, he may be bullshitting about this. Given his track record this would come as no surprise. Maybe every Republican senator DID read the NIE. Or maybe the six who did were all Republicans. Or maybe every single senator except Reid, Kerry, and Clinton did read them and Reid is just trying to cover up his own negligence by claiming hardly anyone else did either.

The point being made here is that we have the spectacle of some doofus who admits he never even read the intelligence given to him now screaming at the top of his lungs that he was duped by this unread intelligence.

I repeat -- there are no Republican senators claiming they were duped, just Reid and his Dems.



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Re: Harry Reid: I Didn't Read The Prewar Intelligence [Re: Phred]
    #4959160 - 11/20/05 09:05 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

:shake:


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Re: Harry Reid: I Didn't Read The Prewar Intelligence [Re: Phred]
    #4963512 - 11/21/05 10:42 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

just as scandalous as the number of senators that
voted on the patriot act without reading it.

personally, I'd be afraid of being called a coward or
unpatriotic for voting against the tide.

but then again...that's why it should take principle
and morality to be a senator...not just a bank account.


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