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Re: Should the opinions of soldiers count more? [Re: Phred]
#4961898 - 11/20/05 09:39 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't think so. They are nothing more than pawns.
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wilshire
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Re: Should the opinions of soldiers count more? [Re: bukkake]
#4962006 - 11/20/05 10:04 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't think so. They are nothing more than pawns.
i've got friends in the military and i know for a fact that knowledge of the social/political situation and culture in any place they're going to be deployed is definitely a part of their training.
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Re: Should the opinions of soldiers count more? [Re: wilshire]
#4962132 - 11/20/05 10:33 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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...and every high school student in the US is taught alebra. This doesnt ment every student is a mathematican - quite the contrary.
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Re: Should the opinions of soldiers count more? [Re: Vvellum]
#4962149 - 11/20/05 10:36 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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It is important for soldiers to have a basic understanding of culture as wilshire said, because it can directly relate to how they function in certain combat environments.
But as their opinion counting for anything beyond what their mission entails is ridiculous.
This is all very elementary. As in, this was usually taught at the elementary school. When did you learn about the president, congress, voting, and the military? They all have roles. If this is too complex, I'll stop.
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Re: Should the opinions of soldiers count more? [Re: looner2]
#4962201 - 11/20/05 10:45 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree - soliders should not guide foriegn policy. I do think their input should be taken.
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Re: Should the opinions of soldiers count more? [Re: Vvellum]
#4963162 - 11/21/05 08:14 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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It should be taken non-selectively.
That letter from soldiers are endearing, but where are the ones from soldiers who think the war is bullshit?
Who is stopping us from hearing them?
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Re: Should the opinions of soldiers count more? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#4963472 - 11/21/05 10:34 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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No one. There have been plenty trumpeted about here and there. Don't be disingenuous.
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Re: Should the opinions of soldiers count more? [Re: Vvellum]
#4963499 - 11/21/05 10:40 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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their input is taken, just as other american's is taken...
at the polls.
I don't feel soldier's opinions should be any more or less weighted than the rest of our's.
the hawks will continue to use pro-war letters.
the pacifics will continue to use anti-war letters.
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Re: Should the opinions of soldiers count more? *DELETED* [Re: Redstorm]
#4963648 - 11/21/05 11:25 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Post deleted by WhiteBunnyReason for deletion: made a mistake
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Re: Should the opinions of soldiers count more? [Re: afoaf]
#4963666 - 11/21/05 11:29 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
afoaf said: their input is taken, just as other american's is taken...
at the polls.
I don't feel soldier's opinions should be any more or less weighted than the rest of our's.
the hawks will continue to use pro-war letters.
the pacifics will continue to use anti-war letters.
agreed
A friend of mine is in the airforce and his duty is to read messages and then brief them to a 2 star general (he is in intelligence) and we just told him what an ambassador is last week.
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Re: Should the opinions of soldiers count more? [Re: WhiteBunny]
#4963694 - 11/21/05 11:34 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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WhiteBunny, the scene you speak of is in Bowling for Columbine.
I'm about 98% sure of that fact.
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Re: Should the opinions of soldiers count more? [Re: WhiteBunny]
#4963703 - 11/21/05 11:36 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yes I have and yes it is.
I think you mean Bowling for Columbine.
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WhiteBunny
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Re: Should the opinions of soldiers count more? [Re: Alex213]
#4963729 - 11/21/05 11:42 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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I stand corrected. It still speaks for Moores credability doesn't it?
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Re: Should the opinions of soldiers count more? [Re: WhiteBunny]
#4963741 - 11/21/05 11:45 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's not Moore writing the soldiers letters tho.
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Re: Should the opinions of soldiers count more? [Re: WhiteBunny]
#4963746 - 11/21/05 11:46 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Don't get me wrong. Moore is an idiot. I just wanted to point out the correct movie you were referring to.
edit: "referring", 1 "f", 2 "r"'s. Derrrrr
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Re: Should the opinions of soldiers count more? [Re: Alex213]
#4963767 - 11/21/05 11:50 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Alex213 said: It's not Moore writing the soldiers letters tho.
True but what he is doing is ignoring probably over 90% of the other soldiers who stand behind the current adminstration and concentrate on the very few who happen to say what he is trying to press on America.
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Re: Should the opinions of soldiers count more? [Re: Redstorm]
#4963777 - 11/21/05 11:53 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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I agree on bot points.
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Re: Should the opinions of soldiers count more? [Re: WhiteBunny]
#4963843 - 11/21/05 12:12 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
WhiteBunny said: True but what he is doing is ignoring probably over 90% of the other soldiers who stand behind the current adminstration and concentrate on the very few who happen to say what he is trying to press on America.
I'm sure that there are more soldiers who support the war than those who oppose it. However, 90% sounds ridiculously high to me. I picture it being somewhere closer to 60%.
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Re: Should the opinions of soldiers count more? [Re: Silversoul]
#4963937 - 11/21/05 12:49 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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now that's a poll I'd pay to see...
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Re: Should the opinions of soldiers count more? [Re: afoaf]
#4964284 - 11/21/05 02:13 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Being a veteran myself, opinions should be heard from troops, on a tactical level (i.e. why was I issued a Vietnam issue Flak jacket, when there are tactical vests around that can withstand a 7.62 x 39 round?)
But as far as strategy...leave that to top ranking officers....
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