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InvisibleSilversoul
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Say something constructive
    #4956151 - 11/19/05 02:25 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I get tired of all the threads about bashing Bush or how incompetent the Democrats are. I think politics should be about ideas, not people. Let's contribute our ideas for making this world a better place, and not get hung up on partisan mud-slinging.


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Re: Say something constructive [Re: Silversoul]
    #4956153 - 11/19/05 02:25 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I'll go first:

Let's stop using the GDP as a measure of economic well-being. GDP just measures growth of national income and output without distinguishing good growth from bad growth. I recommend we switch to the Genuine Progress Indicator, or GPI, instead.


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Re: Say something constructive [Re: Silversoul]
    #4956169 - 11/19/05 02:29 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

i recommend commie liberal terrorist lovers stop whining about the GDP use.


i kid.


ill give a constructive notion in a second, i have to think of one that isnt going to side-track/jack this thread.


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Re: Say something constructive [Re: Silversoul]
    #4956190 - 11/19/05 02:33 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Instant Runoff Voting!

Let's get it going on a national level.


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Re: Say something constructive [Re: Gijith]
    #4956220 - 11/19/05 02:38 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

fair election practices at home and abroad.


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Re: Say something constructive [Re: Silversoul]
    #4956250 - 11/19/05 02:44 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

a three party political system

that way there can be opportunity for one to do the right thing and beat the other two

with a two party they just both do fucked up shit all the time and our choice really doesn't matter all that much, shit stays fucked-up regardless


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Re: Say something constructive [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #4956269 - 11/19/05 02:48 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

so what about all 3 sucking?


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Re: Say something constructive [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #4956274 - 11/19/05 02:49 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

regulation of political ads and free and equal media spots to all candidates


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Re: Say something constructive [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #4956355 - 11/19/05 03:11 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

kilgore_trout said:
so what about all 3 sucking?




it would require much more conspiracy, but you're probably right

politics is the problem, period.


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Re: Say something constructive [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #4956367 - 11/19/05 03:17 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

not politics, maybe the common political system both situations exemplify.


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Re: Say something constructive [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #4956603 - 11/19/05 04:25 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

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regulation of political ads and free and equal media spots to all candidates




Regulation of political ads-so ignore the first amendment and let the government control what candidates(and their supporters/opponents) can and can't say= :thumbdown:

Free and equal media spots to all candidates-let the government take over private media outlets and dictate what they can or can't broadcast to their respective audiences= :thumbdown:

Your constructive ideas= :thumbdown:


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Re: Say something constructive [Re: Silversoul]
    #4956626 - 11/19/05 04:32 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I wish those in Congress and in the Senate should put aside their differences and hammer out a budget that doesn't screw the poor. Like that'll ever happen... :rolleyes:


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Re: Say something constructive [Re: snoopaloop53]
    #4956698 - 11/19/05 04:49 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

regulation can mean more than control of content, i did not mean control of content

private media in a public election is nonsense and leads to the person with the most money having a distinct advantage over all others. if this idea doesnt suit you, then perhaps they shouldnt be allowed to put things on private media and only be allowed to use a regulated public media for this public affair (free to all candidates, time distributed equally), regulation towards equality not against free speech.


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Re: Say something constructive [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #4956731 - 11/19/05 04:55 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

If you aren't controling content then what are you controlling? channel, time?

Private media is just that PRIVATE, not to be dicked with by the gov't. If someone can't generate the money then so sad to bad. They can go try and raise more or make some new friends who are important. Have you seen some of the crackpot candidates that run for office, we have a mentally handicap guy that runs for every election in my town. You can't regulate fairness that rigidly at some point someone is going to get the short end of the stick, that's just the way life goes.


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Re: Say something constructive [Re: snoopaloop53]
    #4956744 - 11/19/05 04:58 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

so only the few people that get big corporate contributions should have a chance?


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Re: Say something constructive [Re: Silversoul]
    #4956760 - 11/19/05 05:03 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

you'll get nothing here but rhetoric regurgitated


Dem, rep, ,lib it dont matter, they dont run the country

come on guys open your eyes!


we are not in power, the big biz is


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Re: Say something constructive [Re: Silversoul]
    #4956770 - 11/19/05 05:05 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Proportional Congressional elections and an end to gerrymandering.


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Re: Say something constructive [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #4956782 - 11/19/05 05:09 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

If they can raise the funds to put together a campaign that reaches the masses then go for it. I don't care how they get their money(as long as it isn't from the gov't) or how they get their message out if they can do it let 'em run.
I don't want the government telling people how they can or can't run for office, it's a bit of a conflict of interest don't you think?


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Re: Say something constructive [Re: snoopaloop53]
    #4956864 - 11/19/05 05:33 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

you haven't addressed the contribution inequality=political injustice issue


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Re: Say something constructive [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #4956922 - 11/19/05 05:49 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

contribution inequality-well life is one giant inequality there will always be haves and have nots. You won't ever be able to make a completely level playing field for everyone, some people will always be better at campaigning and fund raising than others and they will be the ones that succeed in the political arena.
Political injustice is letting the people who don't contribute in anyway to society participate in the political process. It really is screwing the rest of us.


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