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Re: Putting Dems On The Record [Re: Catalysis]
    #4952935 - 11/18/05 06:43 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

she is wild.

later she apologized and they withdrew her remarks.


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

Edited by lonestar2004 (11/18/05 06:50 PM)

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Re: Putting Dems On The Record [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4953111 - 11/18/05 07:21 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Pelosi is up saying "You can't handle the truth"!!!!
You can't handle the truth"!!!

they are about to vote.


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We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: Putting Dems On The Record [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4953123 - 11/18/05 07:24 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

some how you have managed to make watching c-span sound exciting. i didnt think it could be done, so hats off to you i guess.

if i had cable i'd check it out.

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Re: Putting Dems On The Record [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #4953159 - 11/18/05 07:32 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

it usually sucks but today it was like WWF. (and i know thats not a good thing)


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: Putting Dems On The Record [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4953169 - 11/18/05 07:34 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: Putting Dems On The Record [Re: Phred]
    #4953213 - 11/18/05 07:45 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

it's hard to forsee whether or not iraq will ever stablize while american forces occupy it. It is a magnet for terrorism and anit-americanism so it might not ever turn into the bastion of peace and democracy in the middle east that conservatives seem to dream of. Already there are cases of corruption in the iraqi army. the iraqi army that isn't even fully operational yet is already corrupt! If they're the ones who are suppose to bail out american forces at some point then i'm not going to hold my breath.

so cut and run now with a cost of 200 billion and 2000+ lives? or cut and run a couple years later and double the figure? either way iraq will probably just fall apart and turn into a theocracy anyways.

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Re: Putting Dems On The Record [Re: Phred]
    #4953223 - 11/18/05 07:48 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

the enemy/terrorists love these headlines.
US Democrat calls for Iraq pullout

"The US cannot accomplish anything further in Iraq militarily. It is time to bring them home," said Murtha, the senior Democrat on the House of Representatives subcommittee that oversees defense spending.

His comments came after a string of sharp attacks by Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney against critics of their Iraq-war policy and handling of prewar intelligence.

Reid's comments were echoed by veteran Democratic Senator Edward Kennedy, who said Bush's "pure, unadulterated fear-mongering" had led the country into war.

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/94B17C40-260B-4CAB-B653-70845E9ED97B.htm


next we need a Vote in the Senate.


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America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: Putting Dems On The Record [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4953253 - 11/18/05 07:53 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Bush's "pure, unadulterated fear-mongering" had led the country into war.


yeah, thats pretty much how it happened.

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Re: Putting Dems On The Record [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #4953258 - 11/18/05 07:54 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Im actually willing to listen to "cut and run" arguments if anybody wants to make a real one. Maybe we should begin withdrawing troops to the boarders to test the waters, so to speak. See what happens with the Iraqi gov. independently and then jump back in if we have to for the sake of the iraqis. That sounds perfectly reasonable as a plan to me and, if it was successful, the dems would look great and get their way by helping end the conflict.

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Re: Putting Dems On The Record [Re: Catalysis]
    #4953307 - 11/18/05 08:01 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

no matter what (politics) we will be pulling lots of troops out around 2008...


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: Putting Dems On The Record [Re: Phred]
    #4953540 - 11/18/05 08:58 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

they are dragging this vote out. i have to meet someone. will be back in a few hours to see what happened...


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We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: Putting Dems On The Record [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4954638 - 11/19/05 03:14 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

how they voted (withdraw troops)

AYES 3



NOES 403


imagine that....


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America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: Putting Dems On The Record [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4954644 - 11/19/05 03:22 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

i was never in support of the invasion. yet i understand the importance, from a national security standpoint, why we are really there. the democrats must realize that a pullout will lead to complete destabilization within the region requiring a redeployment of troops. this will bring out all the "i told you so's" within conservative circles. they're damned if they do or don't at this point...

on the flip side the republican party have their own problems because they stood shoulder to shoulder supporting this administration's war policy outlook. they understand that as time moves on the the iraqi situation will deteriorate further.

to me, this floor vote is meaningless...

not to drift off topic but:

over 2000 of our kids are dead and close to 16000 have been critically injured. who knows how accurate these figures really are... this administration says thank you by cutting 25 billion dollars from veterans benefits programs over the next 10 years in order to raise cash for our crisis at hand while cutting taxes to the wealthiest americans. what the fuck is going on???

america is in serious trouble... our manufacturing base has been dismantled by cheap labor policies... we :flipthebird: to countries who purchase our debt which currently stands at...  http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

where will the money to maintain our military machine come from? america, as we know it, is in serious trouble...

BOTH PARTIES SUCK EQUALLY HARD AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED...

:peace:
cateyes

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Re: Putting Dems On The Record [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4954979 - 11/19/05 08:29 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the update. I found a few websites liveblogging the coverage so I was able to follow along after a fashion. Not as good as having a TV, but a lot more succinct.

Here's an excerpt from one of those sites with some commentary I found interesting. The boldface is mine. http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/005812.php





What Could Be More American Than A Vote?

Man, I take a vacation and the place falls apart.

I'm watching C-SPAN right now, looking at a procedural vote to allow a motion on withdrawing American troops from Iraq, as demanded by Rep. John Murtha yesterday. With two minutes left, it looks like the Democrats will successfully block the motion, keeping Congress from taking a vote and making the Democrats go on record about troop disposition. Instead of stupid suggestions about amendments to bills constituting no-confidence motions, the Democrats have been given a chance to vote on a real no-confidence motion. Unsurprisingly, they are running away like cowards.

In fact, time just ran out on the vote and the procedural motion may have just passed, but only just. It looks like they're holding the vote open a few more minutes ...

8:44 CT - It's been 203-203 for the last couple of minutes -- which would, I believe, equate to a motion failure.

8:52 - The House finally voted to continue to the actual point, despite the vote from every single Democrat to run away from it. If nothing else does it, this shows the Democrats as political cowards as well as military incompetents. Why should we trust the leadership of the military to a group of people who run away from merely taking a vote?

9:00 - Rep Lantos wants "serious debate", and he wants an interminable filibuster. That's ridiculous. Murtha has been screaming for withdrawal for eighteen months, and we held a national election on the issue.

9:05 - Hyde and Weldon speak at length about the honor of Jack Murtha. That might make for great comity in the House, but let's get a grip, OK? Jack Murtha has a great record of service, without a doubt. That doesn't make his demands honorable.

9:07 - Murtha gets up to speak and tells a great, self-deprecating story about Jimmy Carter and Tip O'Neill.

9:12 - "I didn't say anything about the President." Excuse me, but he did make the chickenhawk argument yesterday about the Vice President. Calling him a "good friend" doesn't cut it today, nor does his sudden discovery of the merits of civilian control of military policy.

9:16 - Intelligence was "wrong". Possibly and maybe probably. I'd say that until we see a regime change in Syria we won't know for sure. But if it was "wrong", it was wrong, not a Bush lie, especially since it preceded his administration.

9:24 - The First Mate comments that both sides sound like blowhards. She's right. She says that whether one agrees with going into Iraq or not and whether or not WMD was found isn't the point any longer. We need to complete the mission now that we started it; we cannot afford to leave it unfinished. Al-Qaeda is in Iraq now, unarguably. Withdrawing in the face of their fire is retreat. We will not be safer by leaving them there.

9:25 - Rep Bill Young agrees with the FM. "Who do we negotiate with? Saddam Hussein? al-Zarqawi?"

10:12 - Sam Johnson wrapped up the debate well, and the best part came when he asked for an additional three minutes to complete his remarks. The Speaker asked for any objections, and several Democrats hooted out "Objection!" However, when the Speaker asked for whomever objected to stand up for his objection -- not one of them would stand up to Sam Johnson.

If that doesn't paint the Democrats and their lack of moral courage accurately, I'd like to see a better example.

10:16 - When the initial vote got called, not one "Aye" voice could be heard. Now I notice, after a demand for a recorded vote, that three people found their missing voice, two of them Democrats. It's going out on a lopsided No vote.

10:22 - CQ reader Jim O'Toole would like to know the identity of the Congressmen who objected to Johnson's request for an additional three minutes. Anyone have any idea? Also checking my e-mail, I see that John at Drumwaster is also liveblogging the debate.

10:31 - I would be remiss if I failed to mention the great coverage from Michael and Joe at The Moderate Voice on this issue. Think centrism is easy? Ha! But these two make it look like it is.

10:35 - 403-3, the idea of immediate withdrawal gets hooted down. In another Profile in Courage, six Democrats voted "present".





What a joke. The Republicans made the right move -- instead of debating the issue through the media, they took the Democratic demands and introduced it as a resolution for debate where rhetoric actually counts, and where both sides get equal time. In the Democratic world, that equates to something vaguely unfair. They tried to hide behind a procedural block, and when that didn't work, they screamed and hollered in support of the idea of withdrawal -- and then promptly voted against it when it counted.

No honor and no shame have the Democrats in these times, to their everlasting discredit. So much for no-confidence votes. None will stand for one even when handed the opportunity on a silver platter.

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I'd like to say the American people will learn something about the nature of the Democratic party from this disgraceful spectacle, but very few watch C-Span and the Libbies in the mainstream press will do their best to under-report what occurred. It'll drop off the radar screen quickly, never to be mentioned again.








Phred


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