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InvisibleInnvertigo
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Re: The Truth about 9/11 [Re: Ulysees]
    #499647 - 12/23/01 09:02 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

ho hum...so much for the enlighted flame fest i was looking for...;)


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OfflineYouInfoIt
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Re: The Truth about 9/11 [Re: Innvertigo]
    #499747 - 12/23/01 11:30 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

hey innvertigo, why do you sit around your computer all day and recite the "truths" as told by aoltimewarner-cia. open your eyes there are other possibilities to what you are told.

love, yii

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InvisibleUlysees
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Re: The Truth about 9/11 [Re: Innvertigo]
    #499811 - 12/24/01 12:39 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

You don't always get what you want Innvertigo...
If it helps, you could hire a dominatrix to make you feel weak and stupid. :wink:


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InvisibleInnvertigo
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Re: The Truth about 9/11 [Re: YouInfoIt]
    #499932 - 12/24/01 06:40 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

****hey innvertigo, why do you sit around your computer all day and recite the "truths" as told by aoltimewarner-cia. ****

eh what? are you as dumb as i think you are?..yeah i also agree with everything CNN and MSNBC spout..ha ha..sheesh...back in the bunker with ya.

****open your eyes there are other possibilities to what you are told. ****

I have entertained the thought that you're a complete kook...does that count?


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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InvisibleInnvertigo
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Re: The Truth about 9/11 [Re: Ulysees]
    #499934 - 12/24/01 06:43 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

****You don't always get what you want Innvertigo... If it helps, you could hire a dominatrix to make you feel weak and stupid. ***

I gues that would be the only way i guess...trying to deal with the utter briliance on this site won't do it....minus you ofcourse...you entertain me :smile:.....and doobie


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Words of Wisdom: Individual Rights BEFORE Collective Rights

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -- Thomas Jefferson

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Re: The Truth about 9/11 [Re: jihead]
    #500596 - 12/25/01 04:05 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Not to start shit or anything, but what are you doing to fix the prob. other than posting on a mushroom growing site? (Which doesn't do anything except give you something to do.)

I'm sorry, but I think our govt. is way to corrupt for us to do anything about it now, it's out of control(our control that is) The govt. can do anything they want cause they can cover up anything they want.

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InvisibleMokshaMan
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Re: The Truth about 9/11 [Re: s8nluvs69]
    #500860 - 12/25/01 01:51 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Funny... Nixon thought the same thing... worked well for him didn't it. Oh wait the CrEEPs were caught and Nixon was found trying to cover it up. Hold isn't that small change compared to what happened on 9-11... so they can't keep a secret about breaking into a building, but training and paying people to fly 4 planes into buildings that they can hide.


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OfflineElPrimo
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Re: The Truth about 9/11 [Re: MokshaMan]
    #500927 - 12/25/01 04:04 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

"feel free to move to another country that's better... "

I used to hear the same thing when we were protesting the war in Nam. Macho guys like Invertigo would get bumper stickers that had the peace sign and a
'Sign of the American Chicken' tag line. LOL , They are real brave when they have you outnumbered... but I seem to remember the protestors and the Vietnamese winning that battle..

Funny how these dumb flag wavers used to jump our ass if we wore something with the American flag on it (Tommy Smothers?).. There was a statute that forbid it and they would arrest your ass. Now these same idiots go out and decorate everything they own with it and it's OK. Shit, they even have American Flag socks!

Posting on a Mushroom growing site may not be much, but at least one can counter the tough guy bullshit that idjits like invertigo throw out. They haven't a wit of intelligence and are best at slinging logos and slogans

Here's a sample of the types of poetry that these guys like.. Saw it on a bumper sticker = "Can't feed em, don't Breed em" Seems appropriate on Christmas, don't you think? What jerks...

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OfflineAmoeba665
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Re: The Truth about 9/11 [Re: ElPrimo]
    #501095 - 12/25/01 08:04 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

i've noticed that for a democracy, there sure are a lot of people who would like to lynch anyone who supports a non-capitalist ideology. i don't hate america, i love the constitution, i just think that there are a lot of attitudes and policies that should be changed. i guess it's this democracy thing that i was taught in school, made me think i was allowed to have a say in my country's government... too bad democracy is useless if the people are brainwashed to agree with the financial elite.


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Offlinepsillyshroompha
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Re: The Truth about 9/11 [Re: Amoeba665]
    #503381 - 12/28/01 03:15 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

It's because it really isn't a democracy we live in, like everyone is told in school. We live in a representative republic. And the rich are able to buy their representation.


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To all the friends I used to have,
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OfflineElPrimo
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Re: The Truth about 9/11 [Re: psillyshroompha]
    #503708 - 12/28/01 10:49 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

The shame is that most people would probably support programs to help fund education, protect the environment, have a National health care system, Campaign Finance Reform, a decent minimum wage, sane drug laws and other progressive policies. But, as the man states, we don't get a vote on these things...

The conservatives are efficient at focusing on side issues and keeping people from uniting. Their biggest draw is to the White male.. they prey on his pride, homophobia and fear of losing his exalted position and so they encourage his resentment against minorities. It started becoming a major plank of the GOP after the Liberal Dems passed the Civil Rights Act in '64. The Republicans have subsequently gone out and catered to the White Southern male voter. That's why all the Southern Dems began switching Parties (Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond, Phil Grahm, etc) . The GOP keeps using this race card to win votes... It is a terrible thing and has resulted in over 90% of Blacks voting for Dems. What are we going to end up with - a 'White' Political Party and a 'Minority' Political Party?

Trouble is... there are more and more minorities and soon they will outnumber Whites. That said, I expect the conservatives to work to create a big wedge between the Hispanics and the Blacks. You see this in our prisons, where racial gangs proliferate (keep them fighting each other and they won't fight the system).

It is no mistake that the election laws discriminate against the poor and hence disadvantage the minorities even further. This was shown in Florida, where the Conservatives stole the election.

Oh well, things can change fast and I have hope that this coming fall the GOP loses the House of Representatives..

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OfflineBuddha
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Re: The Truth about 9/11 [Re: YouInfoIt]
    #504547 - 12/30/01 01:17 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Hey YouInfoIt!

Death to Capitalism?

Those guys arent rich because of capitalism, they're rich because of socialism. Socialism Gives ALL the power to the government, while Capitalism gives the power to the consumer. Those guys are rich because of tax dollars, if we were living in a truly Capitalist society, the only role of the government would be to protect people and their property, and punish people who threaten someones security or property. If we were living in a truly capitalist society, drugs would be legal and people could make their own decitions without the government telling them what to do.

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At Last! [Re: Buddha]
    #504569 - 12/30/01 02:13 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Finally! Someone who understands what Capitalism is about!

Looking forward to seeing some more posts from you, Buddha.

pinky


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OfflineBuddha
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Re: At Last! [Re: Phred]
    #505026 - 12/30/01 04:09 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

It's always nice to have someone agree with me when I'm talking about capitalism.

Rare indeed.

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Re: At Last! [Re: Buddha]
    #505088 - 12/30/01 05:19 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Buddha, feel free to contribute to the thread entitled "Pure Capitalism".

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=Forum14&Number=451831&page=1&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=


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OfflineElPrimo
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Re: At Last! [Re: Phred]
    #505853 - 12/31/01 12:42 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

There is no Pure Socialism or Pure Capitalist societies.

The US has literally hundreds and thousands of socialist programs and many have worked quite well. Things such as the National Highway program and School funding.

The problem with most idealogues is they don't have a wit of creative intelligence and as such must rely on absolute dogma.... It is not surprising to find so many conservatives are religious wackos...

And there are two separate things involved here

One is a Political System ....and the Other is an Economic system.. Something conservatives either don't understand or prefer to lie about so as to confuse the average individual.

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Re: At Last! [Re: ElPrimo]
    #506310 - 12/31/01 11:55 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

ElPrimo writes:

"There is no Pure Socialism or Pure Capitalist societies."

Agreed. Nineteenth century America was the closest the world has ever seen to a Pure Capitalist society, but technically speaking it was still not quite PURE Capitalism.

"The US has literally hundreds and thousands of socialist programs and many have worked quite well. Things such as the National Highway program and School funding."

That's the problem. Two or three or even fifty out of thousands is a pretty shitty track record.

"The problem with most idealogues is they don't have a wit of creative intelligence and as such must rely on absolute dogma.... It is not surprising to find so many conservatives are religious wackos..."

Agreed. I have no respect for idealogues of any stripe. Right wing dogma is just as hollow as left wing dogma, and religious dogma is the most absurd of all. As an atheist and a proponent of individual rights, I find myself at odds with both the right and the left.

"One is a Political System ....and the Other is an Economic system.. "

Not quite true. Both are political systems. Obviously Pure Capitalism is strictly a political system. It CANNOT be labelled an economic system since the government is specifically FORBIDDEN to have anything whatsoever to do with the economy. In a Pure Capitalist society, every aspect of the economy is left entirely in the hands of private individuals. Those individuals are free to utilize any of myriad economic systems, from communal living to the barter system.

But I must disagree that Socialism is strictly an economic system, since the government is inextricably involved with the economy. Socialism must therefore logically be classified as a political sytem, too.

"...Something conservatives either don't understand or prefer to lie about so as to confuse the average individual. "

I can't speak for conservatives, but anyone who claims that Capitalism is not a political system is confused.

pinky









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