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flower
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Blueing in Pan. cyans
#4951304 - 11/18/05 11:17 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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A foaf has been growing several Pan. cyans strains. Some blue very heavily and easily and others exhibit very little bluing. Apparently all strains are very potent. My question is whether the non-bluing strains would retain potency longer since the active chemical is not being oxidized. I know that Ps. Semilanceata (sp) doesn't really blue and retains it's potency for years whereas Ps. Azurescens which blues readily loses much potency in a fairly short period of time. Thanks in advance for any input.
Edited by flower (11/18/05 11:17 AM)
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Anno
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Re: Blueing in Pan. cyans [Re: flower]
#4951359 - 11/18/05 11:49 AM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Probably yes.
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Ogla


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Re: Blueing in Pan. cyans [Re: Anno]
#4951393 - 11/18/05 12:04 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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i think the darker the bluing the more potent, but i dont know about time and loss of potency and stuff. maybe thats why alota my mushrooms i save seems to "hardly do shit". i leave them drying for weeks at a time in the open air. maybe experiments are needed in preserving them with Co2/ freon, ect.
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Re: Blueing in Pan. cyans [Re: Ogla]
#4958234 - 11/19/05 11:47 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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mmm
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Edited by Zen Peddler (02/02/07 03:55 AM)
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flower
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Re: Blueing in Pan. cyans [Re: Zen Peddler]
#4959747 - 11/20/05 12:37 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks for the replies. I never thought of the bluing or lack of also being a presence or lack of the enzyme and always looked at it in terms of psilocin presence or lack of. Thanks for that Bluemeanie
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Zen Peddler


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Re: Blueing in Pan. cyans [Re: flower]
#4982258 - 11/26/05 03:17 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah Either had I until a smoked a J and wrote that post - the mind works in weird ways
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shirley knott
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Re: Blueing in Pan. cyans [Re: Zen Peddler]
#4982318 - 11/26/05 05:33 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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there's a PhD available for success in clarifying the blueing reaction of active mushrooms.
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lardnar
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got any information on that shirley?
Now all i gotta do is destroy the 1965 controlled substances act ... or get a degree in microbiology and chemistry. Don't think the DEA will authorize my tooling around without creds
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Zen Peddler


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really - i would like to see that - would be a step up because i know that Gartz and others spent countless time on that without adequate success
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shirley knott
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Re: Blueing in Pan. cyans [Re: Zen Peddler]
#5231346 - 01/27/06 02:26 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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um, that was my point. i don't know of any actual PhD offered, just that if someone cracks it they could probably write a 30,000 word thesis. sorry for the confusion caused.
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_OttO_
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So am I just specualting when I claim that the bluing is caused by oxidation of the active ingredients? Am I right in my understanding that there is actually no proof of this??
I've always thought that the bluing of the active ingrediants was a DIRECT result of exposure to air....
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Re: Blueing in Pan. cyans [Re: _OttO_]
#5242912 - 01/30/06 05:02 PM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pure psilocin left in a oxygen rich (And moist even) environment doesn't turn into a blue substance at all. It's just more shroome-r-umors
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Re: Blueing in Pan. cyans [Re: MisterMyco]
#5245084 - 01/31/06 01:02 AM (18 years, 3 months ago) |
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This post says something else: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/3556503#Post3556503
From http://www.erowid.org/references/refs_view.php?ID=5682&C=Hof&S=psilocin&SField=Title :
"The oxidation of psilocin was found to be catalyzed by purified p-diphenol oxidase (laccase) obtained from Polyporus versicolor (Bocks, 1967). The product of the enzymatically catalyzed reaction was blue in colour and its ultraviolet spectrum showed absorption maxima at 610 mu and 400 mu and was similar in colour and in its ultraviolet sprectrum [sic] to the blue product obtained by the chemical oxidation of psilocin with ferric chloride."
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Zen Peddler


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'there's a PhD available for success in clarifying the blueing reaction of active mushrooms.'
i think the confusion came from the quote above...
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