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InvisibleIcelander
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Jesus saw the Matrix.
    #4945747 - 11/17/05 09:33 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

The movie Matrix was a great metaphor for the condition of human life inside of culture.

The culture breeds humans to preform a function for the culture (provide a source of renewable energy) and trains them to believe things like, "I am free", "This is a free country" My country is right and good and it cares for me personally" etc.

I think Jesus was very aware of this in his day. He told people he did not come to bring peace but a sword, and would set father against son. It was Peter I think, (one of those silly disciples) who said that he would be ready to follow Jesus as soon as he buried his father and took care of some family business. Jesus told him. (I so love this quote) Let the dead bury their dead.

Yes I think he knew very well what the matrix was. Most of his followers to this day don't even have a clue. Not many people have eyes that can see.

You were born in the Matrix and so you can't see it. Every once in awhile someone sees it. Psychedelics can help but other things can be a catalyst for it. Jesus saw it.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Jesus saw the Matrix. [Re: Icelander]
    #4945771 - 11/17/05 09:41 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Agreed. I like how Jesus saw right through the Pharisees and their faux-spirituality, and how when he looked at the Jewish laws and traditions, he saw the meaning behind them, and didn't get caught up in their literal meaning. I'd love to see what Jesus would say to Pat Robertson if he ever met him(or better yet, what Pat Robertson would say to Jesus).


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Re: Jesus saw the Matrix. [Re: Silversoul]
    #4945792 - 11/17/05 09:48 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry, I'm not talking about the Pharisees and Pat Robertson. I'm talking about you and me in the culture following all the rules and being good citizens and bringing up the next generation to do the same, all the while telling ourselves that things are about to get better and more just and all that.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Jesus saw the Matrix. [Re: Icelander]
    #4945795 - 11/17/05 09:50 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I'm bringing up the next generation to see the Matrix for what it is.


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Re: Jesus saw the Matrix. [Re: Icelander]
    #4945801 - 11/17/05 09:53 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Sorry, I'm not talking about the Pharisees and Pat Robertson. I'm talking about you and me in the culture following all the rules and being good citizens and bringing up the next generation to do the same, all the while telling ourselves that things are about to get better and more just and all that.



The Pharisees and Pat Robertson are all part of that.


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Re: Jesus saw the Matrix. [Re: Solutarch]
    #4945802 - 11/17/05 09:53 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

And what is that?


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Re: Jesus saw the Matrix. *DELETED* [Re: Icelander]
    #4945807 - 11/17/05 09:54 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Jesus saw the Matrix. [Re: Silversoul]
    #4945810 - 11/17/05 09:57 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Paradigm said:
Quote:

Icelander said:
Sorry, I'm not talking about the Pharisees and Pat Robertson. I'm talking about you and me in the culture following all the rules and being good citizens and bringing up the next generation to do the same, all the while telling ourselves that things are about to get better and more just and all that.



The Pharisees and Pat Robertson are all part of that.




Granted, but pointing at the leaders or anyone else defocuses oneself from the part one plays day to day in supporting the matrix. Often while telling ourselves that we are outside of it.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Jesus saw the Matrix. [Re: Icelander]
    #4945833 - 11/17/05 10:04 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Icelander said:
And what is that?



That is a word.


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Re: Jesus saw the Matrix. [Re: Solutarch]
    #4945855 - 11/17/05 10:12 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

That's what I thought.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Jesus saw the Matrix. [Re: Lakefingers]
    #4945873 - 11/17/05 10:15 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Lakefingers said:
Why does the matrix have to be support for Jesus and a criticism of our culture? Why can't it apply on thousands of personal and communal levels, why can't the matrix be every thing, Everything, all things, all selves, all actions, etc?

Important to note in the film was that although Neo got out of the matrix he found that there were other social/intellectual matrixes to overcome.

You may remove yourself from one matrix, but you're deep into the shit of many others.

The matrix is the self-reproducing gum in your hair.




Good post. It applys to Jesus and our culture and all those other things as well. I want to see who wants to examine the matrix. To do that you first have to admit that you are caught up in it IMO. Then you can explore down any road and thru any door.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Jesus saw the Matrix. [Re: Icelander]
    #4945889 - 11/17/05 10:18 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

People really want to change the world. IMO this is where it starts. Otherwise it's business as usual. Weather you think you're a republican or democrat, in reality there is no difference. It's an illusion that the beliefs are diffenent.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Jesus saw the Matrix. [Re: Icelander]
    #4946006 - 11/17/05 10:51 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

neat! I love the stuff on this board lately! :p

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Re: Jesus saw the Matrix. [Re: Gomp]
    #4946017 - 11/17/05 10:55 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Ya, yesterday was fun.

Is it because the Swami persona is gone?  :rofl2: :rofl2:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Jesus saw the Matrix. [Re: Icelander]
    #4946400 - 11/17/05 12:45 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Is it because the Swami persona is gone?  :rofl2: :rofl2:




He lives on. :mushroom2:

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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Re: Jesus saw the Matrix. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4946409 - 11/17/05 12:47 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

...as long as a few remain who still keep the faith.  :wink:

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Re: Jesus saw the Matrix. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4946427 - 11/17/05 12:50 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Do you know something? :sherlock: I heard a rumor he was a russian spy and has been called back to the Kremlin. :whitespy: :blackspy:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Jesus saw the Matrix. [Re: Icelander]
    #4946436 - 11/17/05 12:51 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I think that message got garbled.  The rumor is that he likes Russian dressing on his salad, and his computer was taken over by gremlins. :wink:

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Re: Jesus saw the Matrix. [Re: Veritas]
    #4946449 - 11/17/05 12:54 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Well I did hear actually, that Geokills has him bound and gagged in his basement. Once a day he goes down and taunts him and tickle tortures him. I guess he just got to the end of his roap and who can blame him.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Jesus saw the Matrix. [Re: Icelander]
    #4947600 - 11/17/05 04:42 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, but if I was immortal, lived in heaven, and possessed omniscience I wouldn't waste my time watching some movie...


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