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Offlineoptikal_trip
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Re: We're a plague [Re: ArchDruid]
    #494594 - 12/18/01 06:53 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

I think its too late anyway. I mean even if we started living naturaly (which wont happen) it would take over 100 years to make the transition. Simply because too many people are used to how it is now and wont want to change. And a large change like that would probably take forever.

On top of that, what about all the landfills on the earth? How long would it take before all the garbage that is already there to decompose? Probably a long time. I think that if the earth was in trouble we'd already be screwed and it'd be too late to do anything.

You may not agree with this but I think the nature has its own way of regulating our population (since the earth is overpopulated) But nature came up with AIDs to regulate it. I mean think of it. The way the HIV virus works is amazing. Its a sexualy transmitted disease (everyone has sex) and the make up of it changes all the time so the body has no way of fighting it and neither do the scientists. I think within the next 10 years theres going to be alot more people dying from AIDs.


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Re: We're a plague [Re: optikal_trip]
    #494691 - 12/18/01 10:03 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

the earth will cleanse itself in time.
just give it time.


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OfflineskaMariaPastora
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Re: We're a plague [Re: MeltingPenguin]
    #494891 - 12/18/01 01:51 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

I agree that the Earth couldn't care less if we are here screwing things up. She'll find a way to heal herself, that's not the problem. Nuclear waste is just as much part of the Earth as green grass and bunny rabbits. However, while the Earth is ambivalent, we aren't. If we fill up the Earth with our garbage and our pollution and our nuclear waste, its not going to be a very nice place for us to live. If we keep going in the direction we are now we'll surely end up killing ourselves before too long. Again, this matters little to mother Earth. If we are going to return to a more natural way of living, it is strictly to save our own asses, not for any other reason.

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InvisibleUlysees
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Re: We're a plague [Re: optikal_trip]
    #495038 - 12/18/01 04:18 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

First: There are already many many many (don't know the exact number) people dying from aids. I haven't looked too deeply into this problem, but from what I know Africa is suffering an aids epidemic right now.

Second: I, an individual, can do almost nothing to stop the planets plight. "Humanity" is the plauge, not me, not you. Humanity as it stands today is acting in a far greater way than the sum of its parts. Humanity is a machine spawning machines and no one human truely knows humanities impact. Some understand, but none know, for the machine is too large to be perceived by humans. It took humanity to create the beast, and nothing short of humanity will stop it. At this point I do not see humanity ever stopping it, for we've evolved a symbiotic relationship with this creature, we need it, and it needs us. The creature promises us freedom from nature, but all we recieve is a perversion of nature.
There is no going back for humanity. There is no way to cripple the machine without crippling humanity. There is no way back.
Perhaps humanity will never truely destroy the earth, but humanity can in fact make it uninhabitble for advanced life. And we're on our way to doing just that. Pessimistic? Yes, of course. Realistic? I'm not sure. Possible? Definately.


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InvisibleMokshaMan
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Re: We're a plague [Re: Ulysees]
    #495064 - 12/18/01 04:49 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

>> can you please tell me where I can sign up to be a part of the solution

Sign up here. Have fun.


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Offlinejonnyshaggs420
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Re: We're a plague [Re: MeltingPenguin]
    #495094 - 12/18/01 05:26 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

The penguin is right. The earth does not need to heal itself. There has been no damage done to it. How is it polluting the earth by burning fossil fuels? The carbon dioxide was already in the atmosphere, then it got incorporated into some organism that died, that turned to goo, that we burned to put the carbond dioxide back into the air. We can't pollute the earth with things that already exist on and in it.

The earth is not harmed one bit by anything we do, only people and some other living creatures are harmed. Owell, more will evolve, and go extinct, its the nature of the world. Hell if anything we are helping the earth. We are untying many elements and compounds from there bio prisons (aka coal, trees, people) I personally can't wait until the "end" as some call it, is here. When this civilization comes to an end, and it will, they have all come to an end. I am not one to say "down with everyone but me". Im gonna die, I just hope one day my dreams of no humans or very few (200 or so) come true. I'd love to see it, but eh. As long is it happens I don't care whether I'm alive or not. I just don't like people as a whole. Damn shaved apes.


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OfflineSherlockDrubu
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Re: We're a plague [Re: Traveller]
    #495112 - 12/18/01 05:43 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

>>live natural man, don't waste shit, don't buy stuff that
>>comes in plastic containers, grow it yourself, live natural.

What's your computer made out of? Huh.... funny aint it?

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InvisibleUlysees
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Re: We're a plague [Re: MokshaMan]
    #495159 - 12/18/01 06:32 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Though I've already subscribed to this idea (for more reasons than one), I'm happy to see there's a movement in place dedicated to it.
There're already enough children on this planet. If you want one, you might as well adopt. In animal breeding circles, you are pretty much looked at as evil if you breed without adopting. There're so many animals out there suffering and whatnot that these people really care, and are really pressuring to make a difference.
In the human breeding circle however, there are no such feelings. Despite the world being overrun with starving babies, we feel that we need to keep bringing more and more into the fray.

I like this idea so much, not only have I decided not to have any children (if I want one or two I will adopt) I have also decided to kill Luigi. Good bye old friend, you will be missed.


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OfflineTraveller
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Re: We're a plague [Re: optikal_trip]
    #495535 - 12/19/01 12:30 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

again you say you don't think WE will start living naturally....well I know I will, and I know many people that are.

so there. enough of this unstoppable plague unsolvable problem past the point of no return doom death and destruction crap!!! the earth is still a fantastically beautiful planet and I plan to enjoy living on it.

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OfflineTraveller
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Re: We're a plague [Re: Ulysees]
    #495542 - 12/19/01 12:35 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

BAH!!!!

what you're saying may be true in many ways but fuck!!! you as an individual have the power to live in harmony, in communion with all forms of life on this planet. in mountains, by the sea, in a desert somewhere, in alaska new zealand peru brazil africa america ANYWHERE there are loads of these places and if you learn to live naturally in any place like this then aren't you doing something? YES! you are MOVING in the right direction and you can never move like this by yourself, so therefore others will be moving with you, and others with them, and then maybe i'll meet you one day somewhere and we can rejoice and celebrate for we are blessed beyond measure to be living this life.

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InvisibleMeltingPenguin
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Re: We're a plague [Re: Traveller]
    #495546 - 12/19/01 12:40 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

http://www.earthship.org/

this is the type of house i'm going to build after i finish college. My girlfrineds is an expert on the subject, she desinged one already. This summer i'm going to new mexico to learn how to make them

and of course i'll have a special grow room ;-)


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Invisibletak
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Re: We're a plague [Re: MeltingPenguin]
    #495548 - 12/19/01 12:45 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Not natural? We are nature, we live in nature, what we do is what we do. I agee though, cause what we will do can be nice :> I hate to think of it like What will it be like for my grandkids. Cause i dont want kids right now, and uhh im selfish....Maybe something that will comfort you better is "What if i get reincarnated" where will you be living?


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Re: We're a plague [Re: MeltingPenguin]
    #495552 - 12/19/01 12:53 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

I just read someone post on not beign able to hurt the earth more, and i agree. I mean we can try to live naturally, like humands did not exist, but if you want to, kill yourself, end existance, that may help. However we do exist, and if we want to live, live like we were plants or some shit and not evolve, not push the envelope, fuuucckk. I agree that maybe we will run out of shit, but hell im sure we can find some technology. I wouldnt mind becoming 99% robot, i coudl replace my brain with a new chip...they would both be sets of processing instructions, i wouldnt mind an upgrade. Lets all eat oil, not food.


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InvisibleUlysees
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Re: We're a plague [Re: tak]
    #495566 - 12/19/01 01:15 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

I've been reccomending this book here and there, so I don't want anyone to think I'm a Ray Kurzweil cyborg cultist, but if you want to read some cool things pertaining to the new evolution, that being the evolution of computers and technology, good technologies, you should check out The Age of Spiritual Machines by Ray Kurzweil. This guy's pretty brilliant, not just as a philosopher or prophet (read into that whatever you will) but as a scientist and inventor.

Check it out, it's very interesting, and written in such a way to rarely bog down even the shortest attention spans.

I don't know if any of you enjoy the band "Our Lady Peace" but they're not too bad and they did a sort of concept album based on the book, though it's based pretty loosely...
It's called Spiritual Machines I believe. It's pretty good if you're depressed or whatever, though you might think it's a little lame depending on your tastes. (I actually enjoy it quite a bit, but don't judge me on that, if you're the judgmental type.)

tak- you'll probably find more "joy" in this book than you will trying to revert to nature.


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Invisibletak
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Re: We're a plague [Re: Ulysees]
    #495570 - 12/19/01 01:30 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

i find joy in masturbating, however i will check out the book, sounds nice because i happend to have a short attention span, suprise! :P Well i got 2 hands, and only need my eyes for one of them. Thanks mate.


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OfflineArchDruid
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Re: We're a plague [Re: Traveller]
    #495580 - 12/19/01 01:45 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Traveller you are a good souls sir and I commend you.
We should rejoice togather everyday as a creed, and do no more harm to that which gave us life. Talk about ungrateful, by the way.
Yes we are blessed to be living this life, more so than most appreciate.That is why we are in the state of affairs that were in. No appreciation for the simplicities.
Yes there are still some places of refuge from the horde. But they are dwindling fast. I do plan on taking advantage while there here, but am internally saddened because they will not last long. I do not want to do it alone either, I hope to be joined by all you good souls out there.


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Re: We're a plague [Re: ArchDruid]
    #495585 - 12/19/01 01:50 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

I would like to help, i try individually, however i feel that is not enough. I have plenty of faults though, and maybe that is the part of me that feels its not enough, cause i am not doing what i say. Maybe i should go live in hte mountains. If anyone wants to take a trip, ill go with them :>


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OfflineArchDruid
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Re: We're a plague [Re: tak]
    #495592 - 12/19/01 01:59 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

By even recognising(sp?) that you should be doing something your atleast on the right path. That means that you care, and in that your far ahead of alot of others.
Everyone has faults it's the ability to recognise(sp?) them and conquer them that makes one great.
You really should practice what you preach though. Otherwise thats a loss of integrity, I feel that should be your first indevor.


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InvisibleUlysees
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Re: We're a plague [Re: ArchDruid]
    #495594 - 12/19/01 02:10 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, I am a bad soul... hehe

Do you spend your waking hours worshiping your mother? The one that carried you in her womb and then birthed you screaming into this world? Do you while away your days sitting in her lap while she nurses you?

Mothers are meant to nurture a child until the child is old enough to take care of itself, and eventually take care of the mother. To live off the mother is not taking care of the mother, to take care of the mother is to heal the mother, or at least, to ease the pain of her lifelong burdens. Everything must pass, and so shall our mother, and so shall we perhaps, but no mother wants to outlive her child. Our mother will pass one way or the other, wether by our hand or not, so what's wrong with growing up, and moving on? When the earth is destroyed, I hope there are humans who outlast her, humans who can carry on her legacy. Perhaps humans who take some reminders of the earth with them, an Ark if you will.
Perhaps it won't be humanity as we know it, or even evolved life as we know it, perhaps we will perish before the legacy is fulfilled. Why would this make me happy? Tell me why this would make you happy. Do you liken us to the retarded child of the earth? If your child was retarded would you sacrfice it as an inconvieniance? We may be flawed and blind, but we have potential. Don't look to our masses for hope, look to our brightest, our best. The weak invaribly will be left behind, and that is a shame, but don't take your joy, your hope from that dream. That is above all others a sinister dream, and to hold it renders you less than those you hate.


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Re: We're a plague [Re: Ulysees]
    #512310 - 01/06/02 05:23 PM (22 years, 1 month ago)

Ive said this before but it is important. I am not responsible for others actions, political correctness would have us believe that we are all clones all identical and are all responsible for the way the world is today but its not true at all, i had less of a part than most of the population, we must learn to discriminate again against those that are killing natural eco-systems

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