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Any know if this is a good product? ("Alpha Brainwave Trainer")
    #4925354 - 11/12/05 10:05 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5633056083&category=40100&sspagename=rvireg:1:2

here is the original seller:
http://www.learn2meditate.com/

I would really love to get something like this that is not too complicated, and I certainly have $150 to blow on such a toy (the original price is like $200+), but I wonder how effective this product is.

does anyone have any experiance with it, or recommendations for similar products? I'm like two clicks away from buying this stupid thing! lol!

Edited by dr0mni (11/12/05 08:13 PM)

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Re: Any know if this is a good product? ("Alpha Brainwave Trainer") [Re: dr0mni]
    #4925390 - 11/12/05 10:22 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Have you ever tried Holosync? It is cds tuning your brain. Serious stuff. I'm finally going to make it a daily habit (quit smoking hash again).

http://www.centerpointe.com/

http://integralnaked.org/talk.aspx?id=180

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Re: Any know if this is a good product? ("Alpha Brainwave Trainer") [Re: dr0mni]
    #4925418 - 11/12/05 10:32 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

i have no experience with this particular device but have used another similar to it at my doctors clinic. at least i believe it's similar. it gave her immediate feedback during each session. after a few visits i was able to settle down very quickly... if you do decide to purchase it please post your experiences...

:peace:

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Re: Any know if this is a good product? ("Alpha Brainwave Trainer") [Re: dr0mni]
    #4925440 - 11/12/05 10:45 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

probably not

you will get better cheaper effects with psychedelics


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Re: Any know if this is a good product? ("Alpha Brainwave Trainer") [Re: baraka]
    #4925442 - 11/12/05 10:47 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

yup.


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Re: Any know if this is a good product? ("Alpha Brainwave Trainer") [Re: DoubleVision]
    #4925464 - 11/12/05 11:07 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not looking for the same effects that I get from psychedelics... plus I plan on doing neuroscience research in the future, so this will help in that direction...

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Re: Any know if this is a good product? ("Alpha Brainwave Trainer") [Re: dr0mni]
    #4925471 - 11/12/05 11:10 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Sounds like a buncha hooey to me. Better spend that money on a new bong - you'll be glad you did!  :laugh:

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Re: Any know if this is a good product? ("Alpha Brainwave Trainer") [Re: dr0mni]
    #4925764 - 11/12/05 01:16 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

save your money.
brainwave generator is free: http://www.bwgen.com/
just get some headfones.

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Re: Any know if this is a good product? ("Alpha Brainwave Trainer") [Re: Vvellum]
    #4926519 - 11/12/05 05:38 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

if it's bio/neurofeedback, yeah that stuff works.

one day i smoked up some herb and tried to do a heart chakra meditation... i ended up drifting in and out of consciousness a lot, but anyway, when i got up and noticed how relaxed i felt... it ocurred to me "this is exactly how the biofeedback feels!"


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Re: Any know if this is a good product? ("Alpha Brainwave Trainer") [Re: leery11]
    #4926859 - 11/12/05 08:11 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I have bwgen, but it's not the same as biofeedback because it doesn't tell you when your brainwaves actually shift to alpha.

I know biofeedback works, I just want to make sure this machine works and isn't just a cheap toy...

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Re: Any know if this is a good product? ("Alpha Brainwave Trainer") [Re: Vvellum]
    #4926886 - 11/12/05 08:18 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

bi0 said:
save your money.
brainwave generator is free: http://www.bwgen.com/
just get some headfones.





Or go for the original.. nothing beats it..most are cheap rip offs (except brainwave generator)
The guy that invented and pioneered this technology
Hemi Sync - http://www.hemi-sync.com/shop/customer/home.php


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Re: Any know if this is a good product? ("Alpha Brainwave Trainer") [Re: Shroomism]
    #4926906 - 11/12/05 08:23 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

well.... i don't know.

I'd try to find one that can train to theta too.......

I'd assume it works though...


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Re: Any know if this is a good product? ("Alpha Brainwave Trainer") [Re: leery11]
    #4927302 - 11/12/05 10:13 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I had a theta tape from hemi-sync that kept me suspended in the theta state for over an hour.

That's amazing if you know what the theta state is. The period between awake and asleep.. the brainwave state we spend the least amount of time in.. seconds a day. Hypnogogic visions and whatnot. Crazy, crazy shit..

I did it while tripping once. Blew my mind. Closed eye visuals went through the roof. Highly recommended.

I wouldn't trust most of the stuff out there. A lot of it has someone talking in the background. fuck that. and most of it isn't even actually specifically tuned to tune your brain.. just some guy with a synthesizer trying to make bucks.

Hemi Sync, Brainwave Generator, or Biofeedback.
You don't need to spend a lot of money.
A tape or cd should cost $10. headphones are a must.


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Re: Any know if this is a good product? ("Alpha Brainwave Trainer") [Re: Shroomism]
    #4928743 - 11/13/05 12:25 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

wow, for real? Isn't hemi-sync by Robert Monroe, the OBE guy? And I thought he talked during it.....

I might have to look into that stuff if it really works.... but a Buddhist monk told me to stay away from such things after I told her about a DXM + brainwave program experience I had. (i left out the part about DXM .....)


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Re: Any know if this is a good product? ("Alpha Brainwave Trainer") [Re: leery11]
    #4929636 - 11/13/05 05:55 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

but the product I listed doesn't try to tune your brainwaves, it INDICATES when you have alpha waves. This is being advertised as a low-tech EEG. That is not the same as binaural rhythms like the stuff you are talking about.

this thread is probably already deep within the bowels of the Pub...

Edited by dr0mni (11/13/05 05:56 PM)

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Re: Any know if this is a good product? ("Alpha Brainwave Trainer") [Re: dr0mni]
    #4932239 - 11/14/05 12:42 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

oh i know they're completely different..... in fact biofeedback and stuff like that is really the way to go if you want to learn to enter brainwave states.... i'm just saying I don't think it would be accepted by many of those who dedicate their lives to meditation.


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