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Rove Says the Tide Is Running in Conservatives' Favor
    #4930321 - 11/13/05 11:16 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Rove Says the Tide Is Running in Conservatives' Favor

The White House aide gives a speech criticizing liberal judicial activism as speculation continues over whether he'll be indicted over a CIA leak.

By Edwin Chen, Times Staff Writer


WASHINGTON ? Karl Rove, deputy White House chief of staff and President Bush's longtime political strategist, denounced liberal judges Thursday for engaging in "judicial imperialism" and told conservative activists that reform of the federal judiciary was on the way, led by the Supreme Court's new chief justice, John G. Roberts Jr.

"The wind and tide are running in our favor," Rove said in a speech before about 1,500 lawyers and their guests that also predicted Senate confirmation of Judge Samuel A. Alito Jr. to succeed Justice Sandra Day O'Connor on the high court.



In a 25-minute address delivered in a monotone that belied his tough rhetoric, Rove excoriated state courts around the country and singled out the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court, the highest court in that state, for having upheld same-sex marriage.

But the man Bush dubbed "the architect" of his reelection victory reserved his harshest language for the federal judiciary, which he said was "fundamentally out of touch" with mainstream America.

Rove castigated the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco for ruling in 2002 that the phrase "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance was unconstitutional. He also criticized a majority on the U.S. Supreme Court for having ruled this year that "national consensus" prohibited the imposition of the death penalty on murderers who committed their crimes before age 18 ? even though 20 states had laws on the books that permitted such executions and 18 states had laws banning them.

"These attempts, and many, many more ? have led to widespread concern about our courts," said Rove, who noted that he was the only nonlawyer on the internal White House panel that considers judicial nominees. But he added that more than 200 of Bush's nominees to the federal bench have been confirmed and added: "In America, conservatives are winning the battle of ideas on almost every front."

Rove's remarks came on the first day of the annual convention of the Federalist Society for Law and Public Policy Studies, an influential conservative organization founded by law students, legal scholars and political activists in 1982.

Panelists and speakers at the society's three-day convention, which opened Thursday, include such leading conservatives as Kenneth W. Starr, who investigated President Clinton as a special prosecutor and is now dean of the Pepperdine University law school; Edwin Meese III, who served as attorney general in the Reagan administration; Robert H. Bork, the former appellate judge whose Supreme Court nomination was rejected by the Senate in 1987; and two federal appellate judges who have been on recent short lists for a Supreme Court seat, Edith Hollan Jones and Edith Brown Clement.

Rove's appearance before an admittedly friendly audience Thursday night ? he was greeted with an ovation as he entered the ballroom ? marked somewhat of a return to the spotlight for the beleaguered White House advisor, who has been implicated in the leak that unmasked undercover CIA operative Valerie Plame.

Late last month, another senior White House aide, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff, resigned his position after being indicted in that case on charges of perjury, making false statements and obstruction of justice.

Rove's name has come up in the leak case investigation, and it is not certain that he will escape indictment. But even as some Republicans are openly questioning his effectiveness, he appears to be launching a counteroffensive.

"For Rove to maintain his viability, he has to project a 'business as usual' image, be visible and avoid at any cost the perception that he's hunkering down in his office waiting for the other shoe to drop, or that he's no longer a big player," said Charlie Cook, an independent political analyst.

Even behind the scenes, Rove is actively engaged in preparing Bush's 2006 agenda and his State of the Union address early next year.

"I saw Karl last weekend. He was as confident as I've ever seen him ? planning a lot of things for next year," said Mark McKinnon, a Republican media strategist who worked on Bush's two presidential campaigns and remains a member of the president's inner circle.

On Wednesday night, Rove attended a gala dinner in honor of Marine Gen. Peter Pace, the new chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Last week, he spoke to a group of Republican lawmakers on Capitol Hill.

By contrast, in the run-up to Tuesday's elections, Rove canceled several political appearances on behalf of Republican candidates. He also did not travel with Bush to Latin America last week.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-rove11nov11,1,5988003.story?coll=la-headlines-politics&ctrack=1&cset=true

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Re: Rove Says the Tide Is Running in Conservatives' Favor [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4930954 - 11/14/05 01:55 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

By on the issue of judges, but I think the last five years have been good to them and they are probobly on the downturn.


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Re: Rove Says the Tide Is Running in Conservatives' Favor [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4931679 - 11/14/05 11:16 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

You sure this was Rove?

Sounds a lot like "Baghdad Bob".


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Re: Rove Says the Tide Is Running in Conservatives' Favor [Re: Jellric]
    #4931689 - 11/14/05 11:21 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

hehehe

the white house has been getting its ass kicked lately.

hopefully rove is ready to start kicking some ass back.


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Re: Rove Says the Tide Is Running in Conservatives' Favor [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4931867 - 11/14/05 12:31 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

In a 25-minute address delivered in a monotone that belied his tough rhetoric, Rove excoriated state courts around the country and singled out the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court, the highest court in that state, for having upheld same-sex marriage.

But the man Bush dubbed "the architect" of his reelection victory reserved his harshest language for the federal judiciary, which he said was "fundamentally out of touch" with mainstream America.


The only thing that concerns me is that he thinks that just
because there is a critical mass of christians that are ready
to throw out the constitution in favor of the bible that this
somehow justifies a coup on the courts.

This ignores the fundamental fact that the constitution which
founded this nation was built to protect the minority from
the tyranny of the majority. There is a small set of protections
that ensures that popular vote could never do away with the
individual rights and freedoms of those in the minority.

If these loons can't grasp that...please strike out for the
new world like your puritan forefathers and go found jesusland
somewhere else.


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Re: Rove Says the Tide Is Running in Conservatives' Favor [Re: afoaf]
    #4931875 - 11/14/05 12:35 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

At least they let us keep our guns.

When the conservatives start coming for those, we'll know then that it's time to start shooting.


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Re: Rove Says the Tide Is Running in Conservatives' Favor [Re: afoaf]
    #4931878 - 11/14/05 12:35 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

and what do the jesus freaks want to do that concerns you?


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Re: Rove Says the Tide Is Running in Conservatives' Favor [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4931921 - 11/14/05 12:49 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

intelligent design
bible in the courtroom
restrict abortion
reverse decrim and further restrict drugs
radio/tv censorship

it's just this repetitive theme of "our god doesn't
approve of this so we're going to get it banned for
everyone" instead of changing the channel or making
your own choices and leaving the rest of us to make
ours.


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Re: Rove Says the Tide Is Running in Conservatives' Favor [Re: afoaf]
    #4933209 - 11/14/05 06:28 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I don't really like fundamentalists, but the Christians seem to have far higher moral standards than the druggie, war protesting, hippy liberals. At least the Christians want to liberate people from communism and Islamic terrorism. The hippies just bash the defenders of freedom as an excuse to use drugs. They think bashing the establishment somehow makes their pathetic druggy lifestyle valid. Keep frying those brain cells, hippies.


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Re: Rove Says the Tide Is Running in Conservatives' Favor [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4933453 - 11/14/05 07:39 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

*Erased. woops.


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Re: Rove Says the Tide Is Running in Conservatives' Favor [Re: Los_Pepes]
    #4934578 - 11/14/05 11:22 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Los_Pepes said:
I don't really like fundamentalists, but the Christians seem to have far higher moral standards than the druggie, war protesting, hippy liberals. At least the Christians want to liberate people from communism and Islamic terrorism. The hippies just bash the defenders of freedom as an excuse to use drugs. They think bashing the establishment somehow makes their pathetic druggy lifestyle valid. Keep frying those brain cells, hippies.




wow more so called "baiting" that goes untouched by phred


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Re: Rove Says the Tide Is Running in Conservatives' Favor [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #4934654 - 11/14/05 11:34 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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wow more so called "baiting" that goes untouched by phred




And by Baby_H and by Rono.

Flaming, on the other hand.... see http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4933880#Post4933880





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Re: Rove Says the Tide Is Running in Conservatives' Favor [Re: Phred]
    #4934679 - 11/14/05 11:37 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

point is you only consider it baiting when people are insulting the right. that is outright baiting for flames. youve censored me for less.


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Re: Rove Says the Tide Is Running in Conservatives' Favor [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #4934690 - 11/14/05 11:39 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Rove Says the Tide Is Running in Conservatives' Favor [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #4934781 - 11/14/05 11:52 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

point is you only consider it baiting when people are insulting the right.




You're flat out wrong about that. I have banned more "Righties" than "Lefties" in my time here as moderator.

And I should point out there are two other moderators to this forum.

I have been accused by several Lefties over the years of disciplining posters based on my political ideology, and none of those accusations has panned out.

You drop in here every coupla months and whine if you see someone who thinks like you get warned or banned. Yet you remain strangely silent when those who don't think like you get warned or banned. Could it be your whining is selective and based solely on your ideology? It would be easy to draw that conclusion. Or we could be charitable and assume that you just never notice the warnings and bannings of those who don't think like you.

Since you post in this forum so seldom, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you just don't notice.

Now that you've got that out of your system, would you mind returning to the topic of the thread?




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Re: Rove Says the Tide Is Running in Conservatives' Favor [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #4934799 - 11/14/05 11:55 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

you should notify a moderator.


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Re: Rove Says the Tide Is Running in Conservatives' Favor [Re: Phred]
    #4934822 - 11/14/05 11:58 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Damn, I wouldn't want to be a moderator. Too much drama.


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Re: Rove Says the Tide Is Running in Conservatives' Favor [Re: afoaf]
    #4936407 - 11/15/05 11:17 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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afoaf said:
you should notify a moderator.




Exactly! If I had a problem with how moderators are supervising a Forum i would email an administrator. I would not get on someones thread and start Egotistically whining about only one particular moderator when i know there are at least THREE moderators supervising this forum. (Baby Hitler, Phred, Romo,)


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama


Edited by lonestar2004 (11/15/05 08:43 PM)


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Re: Rove Says the Tide Is Running in Conservatives' Favor [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4940022 - 11/16/05 02:13 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

to get back on topic..i am unfortunately forced to concur with rove..despite media hype to the contrary...if there really was a chance that the dems could win in 2006..then the repoops would simply speed things up.. one year is more than enough time for them to put all the key elements of their radical agenda in place..which simply cannot be reversed even if they did lose power...


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Re: Rove Says the Tide Is Running in Conservatives' Favor [Re: lonestar2004]
    #11931764 - 01/30/10 09:19 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

communism


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