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THE KRAT BARON
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You could always rig up your wheel wells. A friend of mine jury rigged his wells up for weight.
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Edited by Learyfan (11/12/05 06:19 AM)
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RESTLESS
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Re: Police searched my car today... [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
#4924901 - 11/12/05 01:27 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Are you allowed to say jury in the pub?
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Edited by Learyfan (11/12/05 06:19 AM)
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Konnrade
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Re: Police searched my car today... [Re: RESTLESS]
#4924973 - 11/12/05 02:13 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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well if not, the two of you are both screwed
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RESTLESS
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Re: Police searched my car today... [Re: Konnrade]
#4924981 - 11/12/05 02:23 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Microcosmatrix
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Re: Police searched my car today... [Re: Konnrade]
#4924990 - 11/12/05 02:34 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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2- As part of a legal agreement to be granted a license to drive you consent to the authority of law enforcement officials to search your vehicle whenever they deem it necessary. The decision to search is entirely in their hands and they need no warrant nor permission from you or a judge.
That's bullshit, sorry. They DO need probable cause, a warrant, or permission.
Even if some states are making it a condition of getting a driver's licence to consent to search, (which is new to me if they are), you can still refuse to allow a search and the most that could happen is you lose the driver's licence, (but they get no legal search and no big felony arrest.)
Like the deal with the breathalizer, you do still have a choice.
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Konnrade
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Re: Police searched my car today... [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#4925010 - 11/12/05 03:03 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Well that's the way things work here in this city anyhow.
I guess my area is a bad place to have drugs in your car when visiting.
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lid
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Re: Police searched my car today... [Re: Konnrade]
#4925027 - 11/12/05 03:16 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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that sucks man! When i was 21 I got pulled over so much in a 3 month period (never got ticketed, just harassed) that it got to the point that I could tell the police were behind me just from the shape of their headlights in the mirrors. Funny thing is, I would pull over before their lights came on and before i did anything ticket worthy, and they would swerve onto the shoulder behind me. I always loved taking them by suprise with that.
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hawksapprentice
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Re: Police searched my car today... [Re: lid]
#4925136 - 11/12/05 05:29 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have always known what the police cars healights look like in my rear view. But now they're driving Yukons and shit, getting too hard to keep track of them all.
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Learyfan
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Re: Police searched my car today... [Re: Microcosmatrix]
#4925192 - 11/12/05 06:50 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Microcosmatrix said: They DO need probable cause, a warrant, or permission.
That's what I was thinking. They do need probable cause. A cop can define "probable cause" however he/she pleases, but they do need it. If they ask you if they can search your car, you can refuse as long as you have a good excuse as to why they can't. In 2002 I was pulled over for speeding. I had read a post about your rights regarding a search on this very site just one day prior and had my story ready to go. I had weed and Adderall in the trunk when I was pulled over. While the cop was writing my ticket, I thought my story through. The cop asked to search my vehicle and I said "No, I really need to be going right now." He asked why and I told him that I was meeting my parents for dinner and that I was late. I then changed the subject because I knew he had no probable cause.
Hey ratherbealone, why were you pulled over? How long before being pulled over had you smoked in your car?
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Prisoner#1
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Re: Police searched my car today... [Re: Learyfan]
#4925193 - 11/12/05 06:52 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Learyfan said: you can refuse as long as you have a good excuse as to why they can't.
cops need a reason to search, you dont need a reason why they cant, being able to articulate why they cant is better than a simple 'no' but that no will suffice since it is your property/privacy that they intend to invade.
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Learyfan
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Re: Police searched my car today... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#4925198 - 11/12/05 06:59 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
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Learyfan said: you can refuse as long as you have a good excuse as to why they can't.
cops need a reason to search, you dont need a reason why they cant, being able to articulate why they cant is better than a simple 'no' but that no will suffice since it is your property/privacy that they intend to invade.
Technically you're very right. I could be wrong, but it just seems to me that if you were to respond with that simple "no", he could possibly use your lack of an excuse as "probable cause"?
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Prisoner#1
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Re: Police searched my car today... [Re: Learyfan]
#4925236 - 11/12/05 07:47 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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any refusal to allow a search cannot be used as probable cause, the supreme court backs yo on that one, a cop can make a claim that by refusing a search you've got something to hide but if he is unable to articulate what presents probable cause in your given search you're case would quickly be dismissed.
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ShroomArtist84
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Re: Police searched my car today... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#4925248 - 11/12/05 07:57 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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nice.
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Ramlaen
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Re: Police searched my car today... [Re: ShroomArtist84]
#4925263 - 11/12/05 08:05 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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We should start a Just Say no to searches campaign
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Learyfan
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Re: Police searched my car today... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#4925452 - 11/12/05 10:55 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: any refusal to allow a search cannot be used as probable cause, the supreme court backs yo on that one, a cop can make a claim that by refusing a search you've got something to hide but if he is unable to articulate what presents probable cause in your given search you're case would quickly be dismissed.
That sounds right, P1. I just don't trust the police. Perhaps I should have stated that having an excuse isn't necessary, but it would certainly help. It seems to me that a cop who wants to search you can always say he "smelled marijuana" on you. That excuse would always work.
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Noviseer
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Re: Police searched my car today... [Re: Konnrade]
#4925478 - 11/12/05 11:13 AM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Konnrade said:
2- As part of a legal agreement to be granted a license to drive you consent to the authority of law enforcement officials to search your vehicle whenever they deem it necessary. The decision to search is entirely in their hands and they need no warrant nor permission from you or a judge. If the police desire to search your vehicle they will search your vehicle and if you resist you will go to jail or be detained. And that's just making things worse, because if you're jailed your vehicle ends up in the impound lot, where is is MUCH easier to perform a more thorough search. And if he has to detain you his suspicion is aroused and he will be looking for the reason you made a fuss.
Are you sure about that? I know they're allowed to search for weaponry, but to legally seize drugs they've got to respect due process somehow--reasonable suspicion or something.
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Prisoner#1
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Re: Police searched my car today... [Re: Learyfan]
#4925613 - 11/12/05 12:14 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Learyfan said: It seems to me that a cop who wants to search you can always say he "smelled marijuana" on you. That excuse would always work.
most cops record via video or wireless mirophon, most of the time it's both,
often cops will walk up and ask for papers and immediately mention the smell of marijuana to set up his up his case for a legal search, rule #1, necver transport more than you can eat before the cop reaches your window, rule #2 never smoke in your car, failing these 2 simple rules is almost guaranteed to land you in jail, unless you're lucky.
when a cop mentiones the smell of marijuana, if you're clean, respond with a comment like "I understand what you're saying officer, you are trying to establish false probable cause to sway a court case for an illegal search" of course the cop will be a bit agitated but you are still within your rights when the cop tries to pressure you to allow a search request a K-9 unit, refuse to allow the dog into the car, a police dog is viewed as a cop by the court systems, his job can be performed from the exterior of the vehicle
if you arent clean, you fucked up, the cops case will hold up in court
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Prisoner#1
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Re: Police searched my car today... [Re: Noviseer]
#4925624 - 11/12/05 12:18 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Noviseer said: I know they're allowed to search for weaponry, but to legally seize drugs they've got to respect due process somehow--reasonable suspicion or something.
they are allowed to look into your car from the outide, take you out of the car and pat you down for a weapon, if they find drugs/paraphenalia in the process, it's legal and they then have PC to search the car, there are no laws about 'arms reach searches' or crap like that
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shirley knott
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Re: Police searched my car today... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#4925637 - 11/12/05 12:22 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: any refusal to allow a search cannot be used as probable cause, the supreme court backs yo on that one, a cop can make a claim that by refusing a search you've got something to hide but if he is unable to articulate what presents probable cause in your given search you're case would quickly be dismissed.
but the cop's response to this (from his manual) is "i could see on the floor of the front seat cardboard torn in a manner that indicated creation of a 'roach' filter, commonly used to manufacture marijuana cigarettes. this, combined with the strong marijuana smell, and the defendant's behaviour, gave me 'probable cause'. and look, here is what i found: ....." etc....
if it's true that the law prohibits a proper search of a vehicle without a warrant, then great. personally i doubt you'd have a prayer up against a system that classes posession of marijuana as a jailable offense.
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Ramlaen
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Re: Police searched my car today... [Re: shirley knott]
#4925645 - 11/12/05 12:24 PM (18 years, 4 months ago) |
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Fact is you got a better shot if you say no then if you consent, at least then you can argue in court, where as if you consent you have much less grounds to argue on
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