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Re: Boletus edulis (King Boletes) [Re: micololo2]
    #5927988 - 08/03/06 08:00 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

i know..  :smirk:



Some Boletus sp. growing from a bottle .. weird looking, eh?

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Re: Boletus edulis (King Boletes) [Re: Speeker]
    #5928160 - 08/03/06 10:05 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Amazing!!!
What kind of Boletus is this one and how did you do that? I do not understand, Boletus are supposed to be mycorrhiza mushrooms, how can they pop up without a tree in an artificial environment?

Could you do this with Boletus Edulis. To me Edulis are by far the best Boletus.

Anxious to read about your knowledges, your suggestions.


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Re: Boletus edulis (King Boletes) [Re: micololo2]
    #5928449 - 08/03/06 12:26 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

yeah! it would be truly amazing if i could get results like that..  :wink:
no, it's from some Japanese scientific journal..

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Re: Boletus edulis (King Boletes) [Re: Speeker]
    #5929499 - 08/03/06 07:13 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Yamanaka, K., Namba, K. and Tajiri, A. (2000) Fruit body formation of Boletus rericularus in pure culture. Mycoscience, 41, 189.191.




Is the paper this is from??? I found another good one - well the abstract looks good. :laugh: Gotta figure out how to get it...

Quote:


Edible ectomycorrhizal mushrooms: challenges and achievements, Wang Yun and Ian R. Hall, Can. J. Bot. 82(8): 1063–1073 (2004)




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Re: Boletus edulis (King Boletes) [Re: Feelers]
    #5929584 - 08/03/06 07:39 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)
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Here's the second one...^^^^^
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Edible ectomycorrhizal mushrooms: challenges and achievements, Wang Yun; Ian R Hall Canadian Journal of Botany; Aug 2004; 82, 8; Academic Research Library
pg. 1063


  :grin:

It's in French too! Micololo :laugh:
Edit Sorry only the abstracts in French :frown:


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Re: Boletus edulis (King Boletes) [Re: Feelers]
    #5930397 - 08/04/06 02:10 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Feelers said:
Is the paper this is from???




probably that's the journal.. you'll have to find it out youself..  :wink:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl...noko/mokuji.htm

nice collection of articles (or chapters) there - only in Japanese, though..


this site is interesting too..

Mycorrhiza Literature Exchange


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Re: Boletus edulis (King Boletes) [Re: Speeker]
    #5932363 - 08/04/06 06:36 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Guys you're amazing to find good articles on the net.
Thanks, I'm far to be as skillful as you are.


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Re: Boletus edulis (King Boletes) [Re: Feelers]
    #5932415 - 08/04/06 07:03 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I've uploaded the journal article here: http://rapidshare.de/files/28225453/14422576.pdf.html

Someone might want to mirror it; I'm unsure how long it'll stay up there.


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Re: Boletus edulis (King Boletes) [Re: Speeker]
    #5933411 - 08/05/06 12:33 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Those mushrooms growing from the bottles do not look like Boletus to me, more like some sort of polypore similar to Boletopsis. Many polypores used to be in the Boletus genus but have long been moved into various other genera. Perhaps the Japanese journal is using an old designation.


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Re: Boletus edulis (King Boletes) [Re: Workman]
    #5933647 - 08/05/06 01:57 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

who needs scientists when we have workmen around...  :wink:
yeah, as i said, they do look a bit peculiar..

managed to figure out how to make google translate that pdf..  :smirk:

That bolete chapter..
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl...inoko/2-2-7.pdf

and abstract of that Mycoscience article mentioned there..
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl..._abst_44_4.html

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Re: Boletus edulis (King Boletes) [Re: Speeker]
    #5936302 - 08/06/06 06:45 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

great thread. Keep up the good work and research


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Re: Boletus edulis (King Boletes) [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #5941976 - 08/07/06 07:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I now have managed a new square in the plantation for another experience for Boletus Edulis (like mentioned in the document I've post earlier). And I have another well for working, wishing I can get more and more King Boletes.
It says in the document that the quantity of the mushrooms harvested depend on the habilities and quality of the mycelium a year before.


Edited by micololo2 (08/07/06 07:55 PM)


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Re: Boletus edulis (King Boletes) [Re: micololo2]
    #5943559 - 08/08/06 09:59 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

What mushrooms have already grown in the area? Sometimes one mushroom will grow for years in an area till it took all it could use. Then another mushroom with different needs comes in and says hey this spot is great.....

well thats just 1 of a 1000 small variables....


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Re: Boletus edulis (King Boletes) [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #5944922 - 08/08/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Lactarius, Boletus, Amanitas.
A well will give avalable water, it's a lot more than just 1 of 1000 small variables.
Have a good day carporal and thanks to your interest.


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Re: Boletus edulis (King Boletes) [Re: micololo2]
    #5982374 - 08/20/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Now my new king bolete slush.


As you know I'm working on trying to make somekind of simple inoculation way for this specie I love.
The jars you see have made from different or same parts of the mushrooms.
I expcect that the slushes appearences will change a lot in the next 24-36 hours or so. I will multiplicate in different gages (10%,15%,20% etc. inoculation rate in new bottles) all the different mixes of the slushes.
And in different timings and in not more than 7 days.
I'll do different ways of innoculations on the experiment area.
Management of the entry of light in the canopy is important for this specie.
Oh yes I know I might be crazy, it looks to simple to be real... Like growing shiitake, eryngii in a trench in an open field or yellow oyster in the kitchen or maitake near the entry door or pounds and pounds of lion's mane in 100$ growing rooms.

Later +


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Re: Boletus edulis (King Boletes) [Re: micololo2]
    #5985987 - 08/22/06 06:53 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

The slushes will be apply today .
I'll install paper pads under the rootless to keep them sandwiched between the top earth and the slush.

What do you think about this experience? You have an idea?



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Re: Boletus edulis (King Boletes) [Re: micololo2]
    #5986063 - 08/22/06 08:15 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I dont understand your method of application. Could you please explain how you will go about planting them with paper and earth and the slush? Oh and why is the fourth jar from the left so dark?


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Re: Boletus edulis (King Boletes) [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #5986325 - 08/22/06 10:30 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Corporal Kielbasa said:
I dont understand your method of application. Could you please explain how you will go about planting them with paper and earth and the slush? Oh and why is the fourth jar from the left so dark?




All the jars have something different because they've being made with different parts of the mushrooms and with different ages mushrooms.

Here 3 ways I have inoculated rootless on 20 years old white spruces.

With the pad under the rootless.


Rootless sandwiched in the inoculation pad


Slush on the rootless whitout any pad.


The importance of managing the canopy of the forest to get more shrooms. The sunlight has to penetrate it. Having a luxmeter to set it helps a lot.


Later+


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Re: Boletus edulis (King Boletes) [Re: micololo2]
    #5986958 - 08/22/06 03:36 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Ok thank you for explaining.


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Re: Boletus edulis (King Boletes) [Re: micololo2]
    #6021576 - 09/02/06 07:21 AM (17 years, 4 months ago)

At about the 25th attempt I got for the first time this white mycelium from a very young King Boletus, less then an 1 inch tall. The 2 looking white balls are the places where the pieces of the mushroom were placed in the plate. They were the size of a rice grain. The agar was made with brewer's yeast + semolina corn and corn syrop at PH 5.

The mushroom was soak in H2O2 for 10 seconds in steril environment and then washed with alcool 90%. After that the mush. was cut in 2 pieces. The little pieces for inoculation were taking from the junction of the stem and the hat in formation.

I've made 8 slants of them and will try to inoculate rootless next spring.



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