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Holydiver
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Will low heat affect potency? Answer=No
#4919303 - 11/10/05 06:40 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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A reasonable amount of low heat will not hurt the potency of your mushrooms. I've been using a fanless, element type dehydrator for awhile now, and it runs at about 140-150F. A day or two in these temps, and my fungus are no-joke, knock-your-socks off potent, still.
Just bringing this up because Lazlo from mycotopia wrote a well-documented, oven drying log which backs up what myself and others have been trying to say. Read for yourself:
http://forums.mycotopia.net/showthread.php?t=5150
So please, no more blind claims that heat will cause potency to suffer, or at least in the 100-200F window.
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Re: Will low heat affect potency? Answer=No [Re: Holydiver] 1
#4919364 - 11/10/05 06:51 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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My "Ronco" dehrdrator runs 108-110F, What brand is yours? apparently 150F still does not affect potency.
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Re: Will low heat affect potency? Answer=No [Re: Holydiver]
#4919464 - 11/10/05 07:08 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cool, my friends runs at 90F.
90F is the "herbs and spices" setting, I guess the mushrooms would fall under "spice"
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Re: Will low heat affect potency? Answer=No [Re: Dog_Z]
#4919469 - 11/10/05 07:09 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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So does that mean if mushrooms are smoked theres a chance of inhaling atleast SOME psilc(yb)in? or will the combustion completely destroy the alkaloids?
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Re: Will low heat affect potency? Answer=No [Re: Tien]
#4919490 - 11/10/05 07:13 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Smoking ANYTHING,happens at a way higher tempature then any dehydrator can produce.
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Re: Will low heat affect potency? Answer=No [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
#4919543 - 11/10/05 07:25 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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ive always said that if you are drying you are losing psilocin anyways, which breaks down at lower temps, and the psilocybin that will remain is good past 200, which we all know from mushroom tea teks.
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Re: Will low heat affect potency? Answer=No [Re: kilgore_trout]
#4919739 - 11/10/05 08:26 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Why are there reports of it affecting potency than? I've read a number of posts about shrooms being almost completely destroyed by the heat. Myself included...and that was at 175F
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Re: Will low heat affect potency? Answer=No [Re: johnjohnandjamal]
#4920689 - 11/11/05 12:43 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Bump
Very interesting Thread and thank you for it.
Bumped because A LOT more people need to see this before it recedes into the depths of the shroomery..
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Re: Will low heat affect potency? Answer=No [Re: jarroddupont]
#4920731 - 11/11/05 12:57 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, I have some fresh fruits and I'll give this a go. I'll put it in the oven at 125F. Hopefully it works...
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Re: Will low heat affect potency? Answer=No [Re: johnjohnandjamal]
#4921530 - 11/11/05 09:19 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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When I did the log at Mycotopia, all of the harvests were just as good and potent as they were when they came off the substrate fresh. The only bitch about the oven was trying to maintain 160 on the dot. Anything over 165 seemed to make the mushrooms way less potent. So, I can't see why the Ronco models would hurt at all at 140-150....
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Re: Will low heat affect potency? Answer=No [Re: Hotnuts]
#4921694 - 11/11/05 10:17 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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The problem is that most ovens start at 200F.
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Re: Will low heat affect potency? Answer=No [Re: FooMan]
#4922027 - 11/11/05 12:22 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, I know. Mine has a setting of 150, but it's a bit hotter than that at the lowest setting. The oven wasn't a big part of the thread. Drying at warmer temperatures was my main concern. I wanted to see just how hot the temps could get in drying cubensis strains of mushrooms before they started ot get damaged by the heat. 162 was as hot as I got without noticing a drop in potency. I'm pretty sure from my experience in that thread that 150 degrees is just fine to dry cubensis strains....
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Re: Will low heat affect potency? Answer=No [Re: Hotnuts]
#4922136 - 11/11/05 12:56 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I guess I'll start turning up my American Harvest in the future.
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#4938340 - 11/15/05 05:48 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Holydiver
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Re: Will low heat affect potency? Answer=No [Re: ]
#4938418 - 11/15/05 06:12 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cool, keep us posted.
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#4939876 - 11/15/05 11:25 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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#4962040 - 11/20/05 10:13 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Holydiver
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Re: Will low heat affect potency? Answer=No [Re: ]
#4962099 - 11/20/05 10:27 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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As I knew they would, thanks for the update.
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Re: Will low heat affect potency? Answer=No [Re: Holydiver]
#4962974 - 11/21/05 05:10 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've dried libs in an oven at 100-125F (50-70C) for years and never had (much) loss of potency.
All dried mushrooms are slightly less potent than fresh, whichever drying method you use, but at 125F the loss isn't really noticable.
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Re: Will low heat affect potency? Answer=No [Re: Hexadec]
#5036621 - 12/08/05 10:20 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I though psilocin was more prone to oxidation than degradation by heat. You definately could not smoke it. That would surely cause the alkaloids to degrade. I'll look around and try to find the exact temperatures that would cause psilocin and psilocybin to degrade.
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