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Re: Neo-shamanism [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4930894 - 11/14/05 08:32 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

yes! I love this earth. That is my predilection also.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Neo-shamanism [Re: Icelander]
    #4931792 - 11/14/05 06:59 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

I love earth and especially the imense variety of life !
It sucks to see humans destroy this and it is poor for life on earth to perhaps start again. It wil, but much time is lost and it looked real great before man came. That makes me sad, as guilt lies only in humans for this. They did know the preachings all the time and ignored it constantly. I am not sad for humans, but for the variety of beautiful life, which could be forced to redevelop in millions of years (say thrown back millions of years).


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'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'


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Re: Neo-shamanism [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #4931800 - 11/14/05 07:03 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

this is not a requirement to be a shaman, nor is it exclusivly the shamans domain.
this is responsibility that every single individual human being has
and the only thing that it requires is self expression.


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Re: Neo-shamanism [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #4931946 - 11/14/05 07:56 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Some humans search the healer, some humans need the warriors smite.


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'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'


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Re: Neo-shamanism [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #4932078 - 11/14/05 08:52 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

what i mean is that the shaman ends up changing the world for the better, but as a consequence of who and what he is.
it doesent matter how hard we try, if we are true to ourselves
and expressing ourselves as we truely are then the full potential of
effecting the rest of the world will express itself aswell.

in the case of a shaman it means his visions end up leading to cures, spychotherapy, information on prey movements etc.
even is the shaman only deals with individuals 1 on 1, the results will tricle down to the rest of society just as it would if he had
attempted to adress the rest of society as a group.


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Re: Neo-shamanism [Re: Icelander]
    #4932500 - 11/14/05 10:41 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Spreading light and helping people is one thing making money off of them is another.

Being a healer now and in our social situations with todays standards can be tuff. Every one thinks you need credentials. People who heal, people who speak the truths, people who use herbs, people who know the plants and ssacrements know because they know.

People who study the traditional ways look down apon it because they fear a loss.


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Re: Neo-shamanism [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #4933319 - 11/15/05 01:59 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

total agreement


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Re: Neo-shamanism [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #4933345 - 11/15/05 02:07 AM (17 years, 2 months ago)

Unfortunately, there are also 'neo-shamans' that charge money, for basically nothing, and fill people's heads with useless bullshit. Although, the one thing I really like about this Neo-Shamanism, as the Icelander put it, recognizes that there is no 'ONE' or 'Right' way to proceed religiously or philosophically.

This is surely a principle I hold true.


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Re: Neo-shamanism [Re: Herbus]
    #4936495 - 11/15/05 06:53 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

in my recent experiances with some simply irresponsible
vendors ive gotten a strong impression that these people
are very ill informed.
for instance: vendors selling datura, belladonna, salvia, amanita etc.
who are of the oppinions that mushrooms and DMT are to dangerous to
be an acceptable product to sell.

it seems to me that these vendors are mostly oriented towards pleasure
and recreation.

so there is no intention aquire anything of value from the experiance,
wich means they do not qualify as 'neo shamans'


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