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OfflineWetchaser
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db kit ?
    #491422 - 12/14/01 10:10 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)




ok, my kit is contaminated, yea we all know a bad batch came out........nenenenyayaya, ok. now i have 2 useless bags of grain, and one fine looking specimen, of a compost bag to try somthing with. Ahh what to try?hmm.....i also have aproximetly 17 cakes about to birth. im open to suggestions, and i promise if i use a suggestion, i will keep a nice photo log of the entire event.


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Re: db kit ? [Re: Wetchaser]
    #491750 - 12/15/01 06:31 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

In a really vivid dream one night......I had the same problem with the grain contaminting also. So I put like ten cakes in the compost and had awesome results. just use your jars when you birth them. You will see results with that. just leave it where it can get some light after the compost is colinized. And remember you dont even have to take the lid off until you have some fruits to harvest. Ohh....just make sure your hands are clean or you are wareing rubber gloves and you are probably better off to just crumble the cakes up into littles peices. I hope I am making sense right now as I am kinda lit from about six glasses of wine.


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Re: db kit ? [Re: Wetchaser]
    #491962 - 12/15/01 01:20 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Interesting. So those two smaller bags are the grain bags? And that is how they looked when you got them? One of them looks almost completely colonized with white mycelium. Could you describe what we are looking at with regard to the grain bags? The picture doesn't really show enough detail.

You can easily substitute your colonized jars for the bad grain. Since the kit was designed to use a set amount of grain as spawn, I'd try to approximate the volume in colonized cakes. Good luck.


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Re: db kit ? [Re: Workman]
    #492144 - 12/15/01 05:32 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

The bag on the left went black about a week after inoculation, the bag on the right was almost fully colonized in 2 weeks, but about 20% did not take, mixed bag gently, bag recovered nicely, but 20% still would not take. About a week later (after first mixing), mixed again. Waited a week, and this is what we got. No im not gonna ask for a refund, i just know to stick with cakes from now on. Now im just trying to salvage somthing out of a failed investment. Bags were kept at 80 degrees thru'out entire process. The first sign i had of contamination was the color of the moisture in the bag began to look slimy eh... milky. This was after second mixing. Actually it was during second mixing that i noticed slime, and week later it was a confirmed kill. I feel like a murderer.......
I still dont understand what makes Ryeberries so much better then flower and vermiculite. To me, it would seem that using organic materials to start with, would be considered an added risk to the project. No mixing after innocultion with cakes either . Oh well, i hope the hydro im looking into works out better then this thing did.


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Re: db kit ? [Re: Wetchaser]
    #492248 - 12/15/01 08:41 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Ok, I see now. The black bag is obviously a loss, but maybe that white one isn't. You got good recovery after mixing but you seem trouble by the lack of what you think completely colonized grain looks like. In my experience you don't get good recovery if there is any contamination. I am guessing your white bag is good but you are just not used to seeing colonized grain. Its generally not as thick and white as you see in cakes but it depends upon the strain. Unless you see something colorful in the bag or it stinks when you open it, I'd try to fruit it. I probably wouldn't risk it in the dung kit, but don't just toss it out if it smells good when opened. Since you are used to cakes, you can repack the grain into clean jars and let them recover and regrow for a few days. Then birth and fruit like regular cakes. Or you could just shape the bag into a nice even brownie and slice into cake sized squares. Or case the grain in a tray or even in the same bag after opening at the top. All of this assumes the grain bag is good. If you see any green or black stuff in that bag, then get rid of it before opening. A bit of bacteria and/or yeast (slime) might be ok (since the grain is nearly all colonized) and should dissappear along with any sour or fruity odor when exposed to fresh air for a few days.

You are correct in that shaking to mix grain is a double edged sword in bulk substrates. It does allow faster colonization and aeration but it also can give the same benifits to any hidden contamination. An isolated spot of mold/bacteria inside a grain jar surrounded by mycelium can't spread to the neighboring uncolonized grains unless freed by shaking. Good looking jars can explode with mold after a single shaking.

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Re: db kit ? [Re: Workman]
    #492489 - 12/16/01 02:15 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

unfourtunatly (sp) the pictures are actually quite vivid. There is no flash reflection off the bags. what you see is whats there. The bag on the left is indeed completly black, and the small black spots on the right bag are indeed contamination. Still i wonder, what is the attraction by cultivators to organic mediums for innoculation? Seem like a major harbor for contamination to me.


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Re: db kit ? [Re: Wetchaser]
    #493376 - 12/17/01 12:47 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

according to Ryche DB had some problems with their pressure cookers and a lot of the rye grain was going out to customers un-sterilized or partially sterilized and causing contams everywhere. that's probably what happened to you. i'd e-mail Ryche and explain to him your problem, it may have not been your fault. i'd stick with the grain, it is a lot better of a substrate than brf/verm.


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