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bulletproof goat silk?
    #4912994 - 11/09/05 10:40 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

http://science.howstuffworks.com/news-item38.htm

maybe im late on this, but i think its crazy

"Scientists at Nexia Biotechnologies in Montreal have discovered what happens when you cross a spider with a goat. The answer: a stronger bulletproof vest. The company has bred dairy goats with a spider in order to produce a unique protein. This protein will be extracted from the milk to produce silk fibers, called BioSteel, for bulletproof vests, medical supplies and space equipment."


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Re: bulletproof goat silk? [Re: kotik]
    #4913008 - 11/09/05 10:46 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: bulletproof goat silk? [Re: kotik]
    #4913707 - 11/09/05 02:23 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I can't find a date all links in the article are dead. Somehow it has Aprils fool written all over it. And glow in the dark mammals... well the only glow in the dark mammal i saw recently was my cat when she was playing the the glow in the dark paint and it stuck in her fur :rolleyes:

Last year some researcher in japan made a glow in the dark gold fish. They were banned in Holland though :smirk: But for fish this is a bit easier. Since you can "heat shock" (a method used for genetic manipulation) the fish eggs. I am not sure if this method was used though, never read up on the research article.


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Re: bulletproof goat silk? [Re: Dre]
    #4913914 - 11/09/05 03:01 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

www.nexiabiotech.com

It's for real man. It mentions they work on goat's.


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Re: bulletproof goat silk? [Re: drtyfrnk]
    #4914592 - 11/09/05 05:53 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

ya, neither of these claims are bogus. forbes.com is not known for putting out false articles, even on april fools day.

they are transgenic animals, thats how it works.


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Re: bulletproof goat silk? [Re: kotik]
    #4918456 - 11/10/05 02:53 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Ok i am a little more convinced. But just for the sake of discussion i still say it is pretty much impossible. Because if they could do this why can't they clone a sheep... and not let it die pretty soon. (I not sure but i thought dolly died because she had some immune deficient.)

I did this one test at school though which involved genetic manipulation. But that was for single cell organisms only. And i seriously doubt it will work with complex organisms.

The idea behind "heat shock" is you suspend some of your bacteria in a solution which contains some DNA bits (not sure what the name was of those bits) of a glow in the dark squid. The idea is to let the bacteria dry out rapidly (flame) and then let them suck as in as much as they need to restore there normal balance.

When the suck in the water after being dry for a small period of time they will suck in some of the squid DNA as well which in that way will become a normal part of the cell. (It will be handled by the ribosomes etc etc.)

If you then grow this bacteria on an agar plate it will glow in the dark.

Now i don't see anyone depleting a goat from moister that long and after that it still be able to ingest some foreign DNA. I don't even see them do this with a goat stem cell since it would probably will not have a real high success rate.


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Re: bulletproof goat silk? [Re: Dre]
    #4918516 - 11/10/05 03:11 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Heh. They've been able to splice genes into animals for a long time. 20+ years. Nearly all the insulin used worldwide is manufactured artificially in cows....not something they made naturally. they've been engineered to do that...


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Re: bulletproof goat silk? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #4918556 - 11/10/05 03:30 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

whether you believe it or not...


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Re: bulletproof goat silk? [Re: kotik]
    #4920681 - 11/11/05 12:39 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

nevermind. i guess they dont use insulin from cows anymore. who knew.


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Re: bulletproof goat silk? [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #4947082 - 11/17/05 03:08 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I saw a show about the bio-silk-armor on tv.
Everything on t.v. is real.

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Re: bulletproof goat silk? [Re: California]
    #4970674 - 11/22/05 10:13 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

One of my professors lectured briefly on spider goats and a few other hybrids, though I don't remember them in any detail.


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Re: bulletproof goat silk? [Re: kotik]
    #4971218 - 11/23/05 12:57 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Spider Mans faithful sidekick Spider Goat .. Can you imagine her flying building to building by her spider utters right behind Spidey. I think Dr Dooms days are a lingering few.

Seriously I saw footage of some messed up bird creature with big sharp nasty teath on a science show. They fed it meat.... it was just weird and wrong. It looked like a large meat eating Toucan Sam. I'm sure most of you have at least seen the human ear growing on a mouse. They have some tortured freaky creatures in some messed up labs for sure.

Cloning and altering animals is just wrong.  :eek:

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Re: bulletproof goat silk? [Re: 888]
    #4971689 - 11/23/05 07:16 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

the ear-mouse was indeed a strange sight, didn't that have something to do with stem-cell research?


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Re: bulletproof goat silk? [Re: kotik]
    #4975342 - 11/24/05 05:13 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)



Ya... I'm not sure if anyone wanted to see that ...ewww... so I guess they put a mold under it's skin and tried to grow human skin on it..gross..

Check out this doosy of a comment at  kidzworld.com

"The doc is helping researchers fine tune the technology that will let them regrow ears and noses for people. It was a plastic surgeon from the Children's Hospital who suggested growing ears on mice. Dr. Joe Upton sees kids born without ears or boys who have had their ears chewed off in playground fights. He can't sew them back on cuz they've been so badly chewed."


Why are kids chewing eachothers ears off and why does a docter think these kids are going to be better off with ears grown on a mouse? :eek:

Here is a comment left by a 12 year old -

"If animals can be used for experiments, why not humans? Is it because scientists don't want to be sued for injuring someone? "

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goat qoutes [Re: Trunkspace]
    #4975346 - 11/24/05 05:19 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

"The silk-milk fibre can be used to make body armour far tougher than normal bullet-proof vests made from Kevlar while weighing little more than a cotton shirt. The hybrid goats were created by inserting a gene from an orb-weaving spider into a goat embryo. The goats are outwardly normal, but carry the gene responsible for production of a spider silk protein. Each goat is 1/70,000th spider. Nexia, the Canadian biotech company which produced the goats, hopes the fibre - dubbed Biosteel - could take a large chunk of the $2.6 billion market in industrial fibres. It plans to produce ropes and nets, sporting goods and equipment, fishing lines and surgical stitches."

"The company is turning a former American Air Force base in northern New York into a much larger goat farm -- one that includes adjacent lab space. Osborne describes how the spider-web-producing goats like to roll down the sloping sides of old grass-grown concrete bunkers for the sheer pleasure of it -- an idyllic spears-into-ploughshares scene. Is it too good to be true?"



I know I thought there would be an eight legged goat with compound eyes and fangs.

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Re: goat qoutes [Re: 888]
    #4975700 - 11/24/05 09:59 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I wonder if it would make good musical instrument strings (acoustic, of course).


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Re: bulletproof goat silk? [Re: kotik]
    #4981195 - 11/25/05 08:15 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I wonder if the milk is bad for you to drink.


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Re: bulletproof goat silk? [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #4981527 - 11/25/05 09:52 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

You'd probably piss a string instead of a stream.


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Re: bulletproof goat silk? [Re: kotik]
    #4982621 - 11/26/05 09:55 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Hmmm... kind of like silly string?


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Re: bulletproof goat silk? [Re: kotik]
    #4991763 - 11/28/05 08:18 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

drink engineered goat milk to produce your own bulletproof silk


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