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 keithmoon
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#491244 - 12/14/01 04:48 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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EVERYONE IN THIS WONDERFUL COMMUNITY SHOULD READ THE NEW BOOK BY DAVID BYRNE, THE NEW SINS.
We are going to be in a place in OUR mind (no 's') where everything is true. Both sides of the argument. It's hard to handle and it's not all at the same time.
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 Re: IT IS COMING... [Re: keithmoon]
#491268 - 12/14/01 05:18 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ive had that belief for a long time now and the chinese have had it for centuries, Im glad the rest of the population is coming along. The reality of reality is that there is no good or bad, no sin or rightousness, just both sides to the puzzle. I think its comforting knowing that nothing anybody ever does will ever matter really, only truth. Sit and think and ask yourself, does anything really matter. If you can answer yes, then ask yourself why, then if you come up with an answer ask why again. You will arive at the thought that nothing really matters. Perception is reality. If your lost in the delusions that these things like good and bad really exist then that is your reality, and I pitty you. I believe that place in your mind that is mentioned can only be reached when all the unessentials(sp?) have been lost, and desires have been purged. "When the doors of perception are cleansed things will appear as they truely are." William Blake, such a wise man. Hope my insight helped the conversation, I encourage you all to delve the depths of your own values and beliefs and question everything.
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Re: IT IS COMING... [Re: ArchDruid]
#491281 - 12/14/01 05:38 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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"You will arive at the thought that nothing really matters."
I don't know about that one man...
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Re: IT IS COMING... [Re: ArchDruid]
#491284 - 12/14/01 05:39 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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ArchDruid
Do you believe there is no right and no wrong? I don't mean correct and incorrect, I mean Right and Wrong.
Is there evil?
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Re: IT IS COMING... [Re: ArchDruid]
#491287 - 12/14/01 05:41 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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>>>>>>>You will arive at the thought that nothing really matters.
Nothing matters to WHOM, ArchDruid? From whose point of view?
Careful here....
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Re: IT IS COMING... [Re: cantara]
#491319 - 12/14/01 06:05 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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Its not a point of view its the reality of our reality here on earth. Tell me what will matter to you when your on your death bed, huh, nothing." All people are born with a posesion that outweighs all others, his last breath."(Samuel Clemmens)
Im not saying some things arent nice to have(like love for instance) and Im not saying that there are no indulgences that shouldnt be taken advantage of, but thats all they are, indulgences. Think about this with a maturity that all should posess, what matters to you, and which of those things are not as fleeting as life is?
as for good and evil, I believe that there are forces at each side of the poles but that both points are equal but opposite and that one is no more "rightious(sp?)" than the other. They just exist, evil is a label for those things that people think to be wrong or the things they may not understand, where as good is the label reffered to as the right side or rightious. I say one side is no more or less moral than the other, they just exist and neither is "wrong" for simple existing.
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Re: IT IS COMING... [Re: ArchDruid]
#491322 - 12/14/01 06:08 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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for those of you that feel that some things are important to you and really matter. I meant no insult by my statements. I just hate to see people lost in delusions of grandure, while they waste time, precious time.
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 Re: IT IS COMING... [Re: ArchDruid]
#491463 - 12/14/01 08:56 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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love and hate, good and evil, hot and cold, up and down, in and out (my fave). we need the illusion of duality to exist and function on the physical plane.
its important but its still just an illusion, a mindgame, smoke and mirrors....enjoy the show.
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Re: IT IS COMING... [Re: keithmoon]
#492055 - 12/15/01 01:26 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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Realize that everything, any state in wich excistence can be experienced, excists at any and all moments.
The reality of reality is that any reality can be experienced
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its all placebo
Edited by Divine_Madness (12/15/01 01:31 PM)
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Re: IT IS COMING... [Re: keithmoon]
#492533 - 12/16/01 01:09 AM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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good is that which draws closer, evil is that which pushes away... i think there is only one reality, but there are as many different perceptions of that reality as there are conscious entities. good and evil arent parts of that reality, they are perceptions of it and thus there are also just as many interpretations of good and evil..
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Re: IT IS COMING... [Re: Amoeba665]
#492641 - 12/16/01 05:07 AM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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Since we, in this state, only percieve a fraction of reality, I say that their is an infinite amount of realities, couse thats a way we can understand the whole reality if we experience a perception of a fraction.
If you tell that their is one true reality, it is possible most people wouldnt understand how to percieve this, couse they'd probably think this reality would be percieved it in a same way they percieved their previously known reality.
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its all placebo
Edited by Divine_Madness (12/16/01 05:18 AM)
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Wow, see what happenes when people of like minds come togather for a debate. Lets keep this thread going.
I do belive there are sperate realtiies. Take hallucinating for instance, whos to say what your seeing isnt a hallucination at all but a glimpse into another reality.
I think theres a fine line between brilliance and insanity, and if people dwell on these things they will go quite mad, especially if extentuated by psycodelics. Oh well!
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Re: IT IS COMING... [Re: cantara]
#493301 - 12/16/01 09:30 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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In my last voyage into mushroom world, I came to the conclusion that nothing matters... for what happens here on earth doesn't effect anything because the importance of our life isn't of a great importance in eternity... For on the other side of the universe, you exist, rather than live... by existing, there is no death, only journey's that aren't a distance apart, but a time apart.
I really can't remember everything about the trip, but it was crazy :-)
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Damn. I have seen people die. Several times. In fact, this week alone I have been around 3 people who died because of the nature of my job. I can tell you that none of them were worried about money or how they looked. I can tell you that they did care about thier familys. I am a Taoist. I believe in the yin/yang of things. I don't believe that nothing matters. We can get all caught up in the semantics of words and in our own views of correctness but it seems to me that there is right and wrong. They are not some concrete thing that you can just label to say "this is right and this is wrong" but something more in the moment. Like to speak the truth is generally right but not always. Kinda hard to put my finger on. "judge not that ye may not be judged." Could that mean that one should not judge at all in the broad sense of the word like don't judge between good/evil and right/wrong? Ultimately it seems that it boils down to "Do I feel at peace?" and "Do I have serenity?". I dare say most of us don't. It's hard to in this day and age. There are so many distractions keeping us preocupied. Check out the movie "Razors Edge" with Bill Murray. It's his only seriouse roll but it's a damn good show.
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Re: IT IS COMING... [Re: upupup]
#493770 - 12/17/01 12:35 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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I wanna try that "why" thing.
People died at the WTC.
Does it matter? Yes.
Why?
Because their children will grow up without them.
Does it matter? Yes.
Why?
Because a parent instills certain intangible things into the heart of a child that are necessary for healthy-mindedness.
Does it matter? Yes.
Why?
Because an unhealthy mind is a sick mind.
Does it matter? Yes.
Why?
Because a sick mind can be detromental to society.
Does it matter? Yes.
Why?
Because society is the environment in which we live and if it gets worse our lives get worse.
Does it matter? Yes.
Why?
Because we don't want our lives to be worse. We want our lives to be better.
Does it matter? Yes.
Why?
Because if our lives are better, we are happier.
Does it matter? Yes.
Why?
Because we only live once, and we should be as happy as possible.
Does it matter? Yes.
Why?
Because if we are happy, our kids will be happy.
Does it matter? Yes.
Why?
Because if their kids are happy, then THEIR kids will be happy.
Does it matter? Yes.
Why?
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It continues on like that forever. So, I conclude that stuff does matter.
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I have to say that was completely irrelecant senor doobie. Just because you can answer questions with yes does that mean that they matter to anyone or anything. The only reason the WTC event matters is because people died, and they had family and friends who cannot deal with death in a realistic manner. These are ideas that have been around forever. Death is the only thing that matters because it is the only thing that is guarranteed. Everything else you ask of yourself is meaningless. Childrens happiness is meaningless because it is as fickle as the wind. ArhDruid is comepletely correct in his view of the universe. As setinent beings we attach meaning that only exists in the temporal region of our minds. If you think that constitutes something that "matters" that you are an egotistical person and happiness will always "matter" because it is the only thing keeping your fears alive. Fear of course being the driving idea behind 2500 years of original sin which is just now catching up with us on a visible level. You dont even have to talk to people to determine that a downward spiral is already taking over the degredation of human conciousness. Watch CNN for three hours and take in the vast tradgedy that is these people clinging to every fearful moment of living regret they can latch onto, reaffirming that we are all scared lambs waiting for the only god that "matters" to swoop down and show us true meaning.
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Re: IT IS COMING... [Re: isaiah]
#494258 - 12/17/01 09:17 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have been to this place. It is not good, it is not bad either. However no matter how not good, or not evil it is, it is sure as hell NOT neutral. This place will make you ask questions, but these questions are already answered. Some call it heaven. Some call it hell. You are being watched. Don't believe you have to live inside the tv. Be prepared.
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Re: IT IS COMING... [Re: tak]
#494308 - 12/17/01 10:25 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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SherlockDrubu - I can appreciate the magnitude of your trip. Isn't it funny that all trippers at some point or another have an exact trip. I believe that that is not a cuincidence(sp?). I think that the universe is trying to show us the simple truth that I illustratred. Some people need to be showed this on a "trip" through use of a sacrament of some kind. Some are open to this without, but however you reach this truth bravo for reaching it your life should be exhorbinantly(sp?) more peaceful.
Senor_Doobie - although I appreciate your empathy for those lost souls and the children. They were not lost just moved in a sence. I to feel for the children, but I do also feel that it also does not matter in the least. I hope you dont think that makes me cold hearted, because I really can feel for the children.
Isaiah - Sir you've given me something to think deeply about and I thank you. I do belive that death might matter, but not in the way that we might think. I think death the same as life is but a journey, so in retrospect is it not the journey that truly matters? I dont know, and I will readliy admit it, I still have alot of life to live and alot of searching to do.
root-ninja-tak - thank you for being my example, some people should not eat halucinogens. Sorry man. I doubt that is really who you are though, your probebly a decent human being just making a joke. Although personaly I dont think its funny because I really have been stuck inside a T.V. before.
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Re: IT IS COMING... [Re: ArchDruid]
#494716 - 12/18/01 10:34 AM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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I consider the WTC attacks as a VERY good thing. Why? Look at the reaction of the USA, its PETHATIC! Most americans seem find it the most terrible act ever done on the human race, becouse now they realise they arent invincebel. The WTC attacks are a laugh. Only a few thousand deaths, and a few hundred wounded, and thats the end of it for now.
Look at Afganistan where MILLIONS of people suffer from starvation and homelessness, why, becouse the AMERICANS, wanted revenge on a few terrorists, which is useless couse they are spreaded around the whole world.
I dont say it is all bad, couse the taliban regime has been destroyed.
But Afganistan isnt the only country suffering from terrible leadeship. On the second place we have Saudi Arab (dont know the correct english name). They also tread their people awfully, this is fully ignored by the US, just becouse they have oil...
I could go on for a long time...but its too offtopic
Sorry for bothering...
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Senor_Doobie
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The WTC attack was a good thing because it gave you something to scoff at?
Nice.
I think i did a good job of showing how stuff matters. The WTC thing is a good example, although in retrospect I shouldn't have used it because the controversy of the event outweighs its purposes for this argument.
Living, to me, is about making the world a better place. Where, I do have an ego, I think that at least this outlook is not egotistical. To look at the reprocussions of events is to be accountable. Because you can live inside yourself and not let anything get to you, does not prove that you are selfless. Quite the opposite in fact.
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"America: Fuck yeah!" -- Alexthegreat
“Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle. The real extent of this state of misinformation is known only to those who are in situations to confront facts within their knowledge with the lies of the day.” -- Thomas Jefferson
The greatest sin of mankind is ignorance.
The press takes [Trump] literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally. --Salena Zeto (9/23/16)
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