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Offlinedeathcapcubensis
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new pics and serious question
    #4910650 - 11/08/05 07:06 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

okay here are some more pics i know all of yoyu love so much...the landscapers in my apt complex are constantly fucking up this patch...my plan: buy some alder chips from ace hardware...im going to go to the patch in the middle of the night and dig it out maybe a foot deep into the ground and replant it somewhere safe...any suggestions on doing this successfully?





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Re: new pics and serious question [Re: deathcapcubensis]
    #4910923 - 11/08/05 08:02 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Ya, where are you at? It's only 9:00 here, I still have time to get em' before you...haha jk


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Re: new pics and serious question [Re: jarroddupont]
    #4910962 - 11/08/05 08:08 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

PNW...dawg!! Whens your flight :wink:

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Re: new pics and serious question [Re: deathcapcubensis]
    #4911075 - 11/08/05 08:29 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

3 hours ago, Don't worry, I'm coming *using laptop in flight*


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Re: new pics and serious question [Re: deathcapcubensis]
    #4911356 - 11/08/05 09:20 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

There are a couple of ways to transplant the mycelium.

The easiest, and I think more common way of doing it is to soak alder chips and make a nice deep bed for them and cover with leafs. You mix in the already colonized alder chips in the damp bed.

Another method is actually transplanting the mycelium to sterlized alder chips within an oven bag or canning jar. Incubating the jar for a while and then using that as spawn for alder chips for the following year.

I haven't done either, but, I will be starting my own cyan patch this comming spring.

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Re: new pics and serious question [Re: angryshroom]
    #4911797 - 11/08/05 10:41 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

hmmmmm well so you are saying if I carefully dig out the whole patch and put it in a nice little valley it wouldnt work?

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Re: new pics and serious question [Re: deathcapcubensis]
    #4911890 - 11/08/05 11:03 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I donno :smile:

I think it would be better to get some hardwood chips from home depot or whatever, soak them for a few days, drain them and make a bed. Then mix in your already colonized chips from the orignial bed.

You'll then want to keep it covered with some leafs!

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Re: new pics and serious question [Re: angryshroom]
    #4911946 - 11/08/05 11:23 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

If you prepare a bed of adler chips in advance I think you could just take a small sample of mycelium, or a few wood chips, and transplant that to your prepared bed. Digging a hole at your complex could get you evicted.


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Re: new pics and serious question [Re: angryshroom]
    #4911971 - 11/08/05 11:34 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

dig up DE patch "carefully"!!
take a few well colonized wood-chips out and put aside.
dig a shallow hole, fill with water, after the water soaks in "carefully" put the patch into the shallow hole. cover lightly with fallen leaves, soak again. keep it damp till they pop up.

Now take the few chips you have aside and get some more non-colonized chips. put 10x the amount of non-colonized chips than colonized chips into a plastic grocery bag, then spray down with water until wet(i use h2o2 mix). twist the bag closed forcing out all the air, then incubate in your closet(room temp), checking once weekly to rehydrate. This process is SLOW, after one month of doing this id say I have around 200% more myc-covered chips then when I started.


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Re: new pics and serious question [Re: ESanceOfCyan]
    #4912266 - 11/09/05 01:12 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

wooow thanks what next?

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Re: new pics and serious question [Re: deathcapcubensis]
    #4913980 - 11/09/05 03:15 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Ooohh, I've been looking for this !


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Re: new pics and serious question [Re: ESanceOfCyan]
    #4915019 - 11/09/05 07:42 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Now take the few chips you have aside and get some more non-colonized chips. put 10x the amount of non-colonized chips than colonized chips into a plastic grocery bag, then spray down with water until wet(i use h2o2 mix). twist the bag closed forcing out all the air, then incubate in your closet(room temp), checking once weekly to rehydrate. This process is SLOW, after one month of doing this id say I have around 200% more myc-covered chips then when I started.




after complete colonization of the chips you can dig a shallow hole, fill with water, after the water soaks in put the myc-covered chips into the shallow hole. cover lightly with fallen leaves, soak again. keep it damp till they pop up.(from what Ive read, the bed prep usually is done during the spring/summer months, however using his method I believe after you have the chips ready, you could make the bed, be it mid season or just before.) My plan is to put my baby outside here soon so that I can get at least one good flush before the season's end, then ill probably put her in my fridge(i still haven't solved my lighting situation though).


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Re: new pics and serious question [Re: ESanceOfCyan]
    #4915377 - 11/09/05 09:06 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

dcc,
is this a patch that you started or something wild?


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Re: new pics and serious question [Re: tahoe]
    #4915607 - 11/09/05 09:57 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

On a side note to the grocery bag colonization method... would these colonized chips be considered "illicit"? In other words, should I feel strange about driving a very long distance with a bag of colonized substrate that could produce scheduled compounds upon fruiting?


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Re: new pics and serious question [Re: ESanceOfCyan]
    #4915696 - 11/09/05 10:15 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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twist the bag closed forcing out all the air, then incubate in your closet(room temp) This process is SLOW




No wonder your process is slow, there's no air exchange!  :crazy:

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Re: new pics and serious question [Re: wietstocker]
    #4915989 - 11/09/05 11:25 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

technically yes....its illegal, but ignorance is bliss(in Washington "the man" has to prove you "knew" what you had).


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Re: new pics and serious question [Re: ESanceOfCyan]
    #4916022 - 11/09/05 11:43 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

mycelium thrives in CO2 environments, thats why i force the air out.
yeah I know its kinda of a "neglect tek" :smile:


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Re: new pics and serious question [Re: ESanceOfCyan]
    #4916053 - 11/09/05 11:55 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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mycelium thrives in CO2 environments, thats why i force the air out.





If thats the case why are filter patches, polyfill, micropore tape etc used on spawn bags and jars???

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Re: new pics and serious question [Re: Bi0TeK]
    #4916077 - 11/10/05 12:02 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

well you want co2 to build up or we would have everything in bags made just of filters. Do a little research and find out how many parts per million of CO2 you want for spawning as compared to fruiting(there is a substantial difference)


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Re: new pics and serious question [Re: ESanceOfCyan]
    #4916099 - 11/10/05 12:07 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Do a little research and find out how many parts per million of CO2 you want for spawning as compared to fruiting(there is a substantial difference)




I've done enough reasearch regarding cultivation over the years thanks  :wink:

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Re: new pics and serious question [Re: Bi0TeK]
    #4917276 - 11/10/05 09:59 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Hello I have some Nor-cal Cyan spore Prints,whats the Best way to get started with just spores


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Re: new pics and serious question [Re: OregonBluesGil]
    #4918142 - 11/10/05 01:30 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

When you remove the mycellium do you simply remove the chips the fruiting bodies are on or do you need to go below the surface ? Once removed how quickly should the transplant be completed and what is the storage method whilst in transit; i.e plastic or non-plastic,bag or box, filtered or air-tight ? Would you line the hole with pre-soaked alder chips and how shallow is "shallow" -metric or imperial either will do-?


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She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources.
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Edited by Silverwolf (11/11/05 07:02 PM)

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Re: new pics and serious question [Re: OregonBluesGil]
    #4918377 - 11/10/05 02:33 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Hello I have some Nor-cal Cyan spore Prints,whats the Best way to get started with just spores




Well if the spore print was taken from a wild mushroom the chances are that the print is contaminated.

To make a clean culture I pasteurize a small square of cardboard (wood-lovers devour cardboard) and transfer it to antibiotic or peroxidated agar before inoculating the cardboard with spores. When the spores germinate they colonize the cardboard before then spreading onto the agar.

I then transfer wedges of the most vigorous healthy mycelium to fresh antibiotic agar and once they have colonized transfer more wedges of healthy mycelium. You basically just do this again and again until you have a clean culture.

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Re: new pics and serious question [Re: Bi0TeK]
    #4921404 - 11/11/05 08:29 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

When you say pasturized, what do you mean.

And where can I find a suitable agar. or what type of agar do you use

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Re: new pics and serious question [Re: oregonshroomer]
    #4921662 - 11/11/05 10:05 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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When you say pasturized, what do you mean.




pasteurize

v.t. sterilize partially, by heating to, and maintaining at, a high temperature. pasteurization, n.

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And where can I find a suitable agar. or what type of agar do you use




Many of the shroomery sponsors sell premixed agar ( Sporeworks for example) but I've always made my own by purchasing inexpensive agar agar from Asian supermarkets and adding either malt extract (MEA) or potato, dextrose and yeast (PDYA).

Adding hydrogen peroxide (H202) to the mix will kill bacteria and fungal spores and inhibit the growth of yeasts. Unfortunately mushroom spores are killed on contact with the peroxidated agar but this is where the pasteurized cardboard square comes into effect. The cardboard acts as a barrier allowing the spores to germinate before colonizing the peroxidated agar.

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Re: new pics and serious question [Re: Bi0TeK]
    #4922605 - 11/11/05 02:56 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

So how do you pasturize the cardboard square?

Do most asian supermarkets carry agar. Is there a special kind to look for? HOw do you add that other stuf to your agar. Just pour the peroxide on the agar.

And if im right you were saying to place the pasturized cardboard piece in the middle of the agar and then spore print it.

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Re: new pics and serious question [Re: oregonshroomer]
    #4922671 - 11/11/05 03:15 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

The answers to the majority of your questions can be found here

http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/3

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Re: new pics and serious question [Re: Bi0TeK]
    #4922740 - 11/11/05 03:33 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks

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