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OfflineCatalysis
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Anti-US Protesters Riot in Argentina
    #4894832 - 11/04/05 07:13 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Appearantly rioting seems to be the new trend when people don't get what they want.  Those Argentinians really know how get their economy going...by destroying businesses and banks with malotov cocktails.  :rolleyes:


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MAR DEL PLATA, Argentina - More than 1,000 demonstrators angry about
President Bush's policies clashed with police, shattered storefronts and torched businesses Friday, marring the inauguration of the Summit of the Americas as leaders began debating creation of one of the world's largest free trade zones.

The violence reflected the often violent, worldwide debate on free trade as the United States and Mexico pushed to relaunch talks on creating a free trade area stretching from Canada to Chile. Past summits on free trade ? including last year's summit of Asian-Pacific leaders in Chile ? have drawn bitter opposition and similar angry protests.

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez emerged as the most strident opponent of the plan, addressing more than 10,000 protesters hours before the summit convened in this normally tranquil seaside resort.

Chavez vowed to defeat the Free Trade Area of the Americas, or FTAA, once and for all. Speaking before a six-story banner of revolutionary Che Guevara, Chavez urged the throng ? including soccer great Diego Maradona and Bolivian presidential hopeful Evo Morales ? to help him fight free trade.

"Only united can we defeat imperialism and bring our people a better life," he said, adding: "Here, in Mar del Plata, FTAA will be buried!"

Before Chavez's speech, demonstrators flooded the streets, shouting "Get out Bush!" and "Fascist Bush! You are the terrorist!"

Mexican President
Vicente Fox said the FTAA proposal would move forward anyway because 29 of the 34 nations taking part in the summit were considering cobbling together their own FTAA ? without opponents Venezuela, Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay.

As leaders inaugurated the two-day summit to work out their differences on free trade, a smaller group of protesters threatened a barricade of riot police, prompting authorities to fire tear gas into the crowd.

The protesters, armed with large wooden clubs, began smashing storefront windows and setting at least one bank on fire just outside the gated summit security zone. One restaurant with anti-Bush posters plastered across its windows was untouched.

Car sirens wailed and residents ? including elderly people and children ? fled as protesters launched rocks with slingshots and threw sharpened sticks at police. They also set fire to U.S. flags, using them as fuel for bonfires.

More than 50 people were detained, police said. It was unclear if there were injuries.

Ramon Madrid, a hotel manager, hurriedly closed up.

"I don't like Bush, but this is too much. There is no need for violence," Madrid said.

Top-level negotiators at the summit have so far failed to agree on key language aimed at relaunching talks as soon as April for the proposed FTAA ? an ambitious proposal originally raised in 1994 at the first Americas summit in Miami.

The trade zone would rival the
European Union as the world's largest, but its creation has been stalled for years amid bickering over U.S. farm subsidies and other obstacles.

Chavez and protesters argue that free trade is being forced on Latin American countries. He has instead pushed for an anti-FTAA deal based on socialist ideals. He has used Venezuela's oil wealth to push for regional solidarity, offering fuel with preferential financing to various Caribbean and Latin American countries.

Venezuela is a member of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries and is the world's fifth largest oil exporter as well as a major supplier to the U.S. market.

Chavez also regularly claims the United States is trying to overthrow his government, something the U.S. denies.

Joking about his rivalry with Bush, the Venezuelan president has said he might try to sneak up and scare the U.S. president during the summit.

When asked how he would react to a close encounter with Chavez, Bush said he would be polite.

"That's what the American people expect their president to do, is to be a polite person," he said. "And if I run across him, I will do just that."

After meeting with Argentine President Nestor Kirchner, Bush made no mention of free trade but said the two had a frank talk about Argentina's struggle to extricate itself from its financial meltdown.

Kirchner led a difficult renegotiation of more than $100 billion in public debt that was the largest sovereign default in history.

"The president was quite frank," Bush said.

Some 40 percent of Argentina's 36 million people remain in poverty, and many blame trade liberalization for destroying local industries and causing a flood of cheap imports.

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Associated Press Writers Alan Clendenning, Dan Molinski, Nestor Ikeda and Vivian Sequera contributed to this report from Mar del Plata.




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OfflineProsgeopax
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Re: Anti-US Protesters Riot in Argentina [Re: Catalysis]
    #4894956 - 11/04/05 08:01 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.


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Re: Anti-US Protesters Riot in Argentina [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4894958 - 11/04/05 08:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Prosgeopax said:
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.


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Re: Anti-US Protesters Riot in Argentina [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4895052 - 11/04/05 08:38 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

yes...brilliant...we don't like bush's visit or
his policies, so we're going to burn down our own
country.

what the fuck is wrong with people?


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Re: Anti-US Protesters Riot in Argentina [Re: afoaf]
    #4896679 - 11/05/05 08:49 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I recently found an Argentinian 1 million peso note and thought I was rich until I found out that the same notes are being sold on Ebay for about $3 a piece. Also, message boards like the shroomery are why there are more riots in the world. They believe the left wing garbage. So that means the anti-Americans here are guilty of conspiracy to murder people.


Edited by Los_Pepes (11/05/05 08:55 AM)


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Re: Anti-US Protesters Riot in Argentina [Re: Los_Pepes]
    #4896740 - 11/05/05 09:37 AM (16 years, 1 month ago)

http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGASA170422002?open&of=ENG-2AS

http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2005/11/01/china11957.htm

So I guess if you try and protest in China they diagnose you with 'litigation mania', and slap you with a life sentence in a torturuous mental institution.

So this guy, Wang Wanxing, was arrested for protesting and locked up for 13 years. The only reason they let him out was for public relations after a visit from the united nations human rights commissioner. The situations crazy, an estimated 3000 political prisoners were sent to similar fates in mental asylums, and that's just in the early 80's.

All accounts from these prisoners depict torture as common in these mental hospitals. There's a quote from another political prisoner Qui Jinyou "Not even the murderers there were treated as harshly as inmates of my category...".

Anyway this isn't anything new, just a wake up call. China has no concern for human rights, which is evident not just in cases like this, but in deplorable working conditions all over the country. Considering China is touted as the worlds next superpower, trading blocks (most importantly the E.U and U.S) need to stop sucking up to it just because it's such a large trading block. Countries need to grow some balls and put more pressure on China.


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Re: Anti-US Protesters Riot in Argentina [Re: Catalysis]
    #4896959 - 11/05/05 12:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Gosh, they aren't anti-US protests, they're anti-Bush protests.


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Re: Anti-US Protesters Riot in Argentina [Re: exclusive58]
    #4897031 - 11/05/05 12:36 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

That still does not excuse their hooliganism.


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Re: Anti-US Protesters Riot in Argentina [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4897172 - 11/05/05 01:50 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I don't like it when they try and hide their faces. Show the world the person behind the mischief.


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Re: Anti-US Protesters Riot in Argentina [Re: daimyo]
    #4897194 - 11/05/05 01:57 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

those protests were weak man, really it wasnt shit. there was no "roit" the shit was 3/4ths a mile from the actual summit. there werent that many people, and the people that were there were just busting out shop widows and setting small fires in the street.


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Re: Anti-US Protesters Riot in Argentina [Re: ZippoZ]
    #4897211 - 11/05/05 02:05 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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there werent that many people, and the people that were there were just busting out shop widows and setting small fires in the street.




Oh, well that's all right then.






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Re: Anti-US Protesters Riot in Argentina [Re: ZippoZ]
    #4897235 - 11/05/05 02:14 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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and the people that were there were just busting out shop widows and setting small fires in the street.




You have got to be fucking kidding me. That IS rioting.


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Re: Anti-US Protesters Riot in Argentina [Re: Los_Pepes]
    #4897244 - 11/05/05 02:19 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

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Los_Pepes said:
I recently found an Argentinian 1 million peso note and thought I was rich until I found out that the same notes are being sold on Ebay for about $3 a piece.




Come on Richy-rich. I figured with all of your dividends and stocks, you would at least know something about currency conversion.

The conversion from Argentinian Peso to USD is about 3 to 1. That would make a million pesos about $300,000. I hope you didn't throw that note out.


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Re: Anti-US Protesters Riot in Argentina [Re: Redstorm]
    #4897256 - 11/05/05 02:24 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

He sold it to me on eBay for $3 :grin:


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Re: Anti-US Protesters Riot in Argentina [Re: daimyo]
    #4897261 - 11/05/05 02:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds like you got yourself one hell of a deal.


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Re: Anti-US Protesters Riot in Argentina [Re: Redstorm]
    #4897337 - 11/05/05 03:08 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I have a hard time being convinced by anybody who runs around breaks stuff and sets fires to their own town because they so pissed off. To me that says that something is wrong with THEM. It's certainly the best way to stay marginalized, but of course if the rioters weren't so looney tunes in the first place they might have realized that.


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Re: Anti-US Protesters Riot in Argentina [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #4897786 - 11/05/05 05:56 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I imagine most simply found rioting to be fun. I doubt the busting of shop windows and street fires were caused by an angry incentive. Some people in general simply find complete social chaos to be euphoric, which is likely why Anarcho-type people show up at large protests that have potential to easily get out of control.


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Re: Anti-US Protesters Riot in Argentina [Re: Unagipie]
    #4897803 - 11/05/05 06:02 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

Some people also find killing and/or raping to be fun. That doesn't make it right, though.


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Re: Anti-US Protesters Riot in Argentina [Re: Redstorm]
    #4897879 - 11/05/05 06:26 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

I didn't say these riots were justified in any way, did I?


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Re: Anti-US Protesters Riot in Argentina [Re: Unagipie]
    #4897909 - 11/05/05 06:35 PM (16 years, 1 month ago)

No, your tone just seemed apologetic.


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