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The internet sucks your life away
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It does. There are less people outdoors partying. This is what the government wants. We are suckers for falling for it. Discuss.


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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: Microcosmatrix] * 1
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i dream about throwing my pretty computer out my second story window, just so i feel less apathetic.

by the same token, what i need isnt happening in my community so i live nostalgicly through internet community waiting to go travelling.

yes i like my computer more than my 8 roommates.

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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: Microcosmatrix] * 1
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There are in fact two sides of this.
As information also is a big value for every life, we even can see it positive. With this new gained information, subjectively balanced, filling our spirits, we can go out, becoming even more real.
Bad is to not act, or let the action only happen in our head, but with internet we have also possibilities to act, and that does not mean only switching channels like TV.

Yes, community is good, finding those with similar wavelength to encourage each other. This encouragement leads to further engagement and discussion, leading you out of 'your/our' rabbit hole, perhaps traveling :wink:


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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: BlueCoyote]
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I counter that the more information is not worth the loss of true socialization.


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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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oh forsure. For me... I need to be in a progressive climate and i want to go squatting.. Through the internet i am hooked into people who have connections to get me where i want to go.

Applied skills are picked up faster through the internet... wether its hooking up electricity through a car battery, or building bikes, or finding record distro's in italy and translating their mail order instructions into english with google.

I find im more inclined to find someone on MSN or myspace to hang out with, than to call..

but it there can be too much information...

I love what i do on the internet, im constantly researching (being somewhat productive; not playing video games.) but i also find being "well versed" in a multitude of schools of thought depersonalizes me from an issue. Im not sure thats clear, i sometimes fear that i subconsciously adopt a line of thinking after reading a debate on said issue rather than using critical thinking. Id like to think that i remain critical... but how do i tell.

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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: headset]
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just some ideas.

its a resource that should be embraced. but dont get sucked in...

or suck yourself in and enjoy the ride..

Me being.. *activist minded* or *rebellious* or *experimental* leads me to resources provided by collectives like crimetheinc or stencilrevolution - its inspirational and motivational to see other people outside of your own dull physical barriers.

MSN is bullshit, but if im talking to friend in Japan... its a hell of alot cheaper. Ya know?

I get angry when i see people eating lortabs and scrolling the shroomery (ive spent 4 or 5 years of my time on here, havent been around lately.).. there's alot of talk..

and then my highschool friends who have very little sense of identity outside of their possessions, and "dont have time" for the internet.. they also have no esoteric ideas or concept of a just society or personal responsibility in creating a better future..

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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: headset]
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I'm not saying the internet is not fun or useful. After all, here I am posting with you. What I am saying is that when viewed in the big picture "what is the internet's impact upon mankind?" I find the losses in real life opportunities for direct socialization with other people extremely disturbing. Hardly do you find people outdoors looking to socialize, interactions are few. Bizzare and strange is what I call it.


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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: headset]
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I think you should generally resist the internet, but exploit its possibilities if you have a reason to.


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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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Yes, but specifically the internet and there, especially board like this can encourage socialization, too, which can also lead to 'trueness'.
I think, there are two sides of this, and I personally don't see it as bad as those one-way consumerism stuff, what really leads you away from life.
I am on the same side as you, but isn't 'understanding' a part of socialization ? And understanding has to do with information.

The active part, as ever, lies in our hands.

And now some personal part: I have met very interesting and soul-beautiful people on the internet. Perhaps I plan to meet them somedays for real, but even communication via internet leads to new insights for me, which enrich the relationships to my 'real' world people,  as well. Internet often serves as a blockade-melter for me and my mind, what I can carry outside to and influence the real-world, sharing community.

I want to get a more complete perspective.

Perhaps we should search for the 'true' principles, which lead someone to grovel/cover at home in privacy instead of going out and sharing true socialization ? Internet is only a tool and the dangers and benefits lie within the user.

What about playstation in solo-player mode ? :laugh:

In other words: What lies behind that phenomena ?


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

Edited by BlueCoyote (11/05/05 01:27 PM)

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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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even communication is breaking down into LOL's... or phone slangs.

I find alot of friends talk alot on cell phones, but dont actually have anything to say or do.

Hitchhiking i see everyone driving past, in their car, on their phone - BUBBLE BUBBLE BUBBLE i scream!

im reading "the comming anarchy" by robert D Kaplan right now and he describes the culture of privitization and security, and how gated communities are an import from 3rd world countries, and private gyms, pools.. whatever have slowly slept into north american society...

Certainly the internet perpetuates this trend of isolation.

why play with others when you can play with yourself.

im curious about other cultures..

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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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Oops, hehe, I was in a more mystic soft mood :lol: (mixing forums this way round is not so much harm :lol:)

To refute your statement that internet would serve government to isolate us out, I must say, there are many possibilites with the use of internet and the sake of information, to build up 'true' discussion- and community-forces to look behind the fascades of government :grin:


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: BlueCoyote]
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The internet has caused untold personal encounters and self-realizations not to occur. How can you count this damage? The same information has always been available for the resourceful. It's aquisition has merely been made more convenient. And for this convenience, we have traded real heart to heart, face to face laughter. How can we count the true cost?


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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: headset]
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"lol" What the fuck are we becoming?


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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: headset]
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headset said:
i dream about throwing my pretty computer out my second story window, just so i feel less apathetic.

by the same token, what i need isnt happening in my community so i live nostalgicly through internet community waiting to go travelling.

yes i like my computer more than my 8 roommates.


What you need is abundant physical interaction with a myriad of otheer human beings. Unfortunately this does not seem to be happening in any community. It's because everyone is inside staring at a computer screen.

Dare to resist, dare to go outside and wander around. I will see you, we will smoke a joint together and ponder life's mysteries. I am the resistance, I am the philosopher, I am everywhere, you just have to come outside and look for me. I promise you, I exist. :zoom:


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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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The internet has caused untold personal encounters and self-realizations not to occur. How can you count this damage?
I live in a big city and coud do hundreds of encounters every day on the way to work. As these encounters use time, I single them out, with or without internet.
On the opposite, the internet gives me much more bundeled information about something thet really interests me for real life in a much faster way. And that what interest me, are in main part also social communities and understanding for the goodwill of spirit and earth.

I really can't see your problem compared to many things much worse in your case described-


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: BlueCoyote]
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You just do not yet comprehend what the internet is costing us. Perhaps because it is all you have ever known?


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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: BlueCoyote]
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BlueCoyote said:
The internet has caused untold personal encounters and self-realizations not to occur. How can you count this damage?
I live in a big city and coud do hundreds of encounters every day on the way to work. As these encounters use time, I single them out, with or without internet.
On the opposite, the internet gives me much more bundeled information about something thet really interests me for real life in a much faster way. And that what interest me, are in main part also social communities and understanding for the goodwill of spirit and earth.

I really can't see your problem compared to many things much worse in your case described-


What about the rest of my post quoted below?:

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The same information has always been available for the resourceful. It's aquisition has merely been made more convenient. And for this convenience, we have traded real heart to heart, face to face laughter. How can we count the true cost?



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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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Microcosmatrix said:
You just do not yet comprehend what the internet is costing us. Perhaps because it is all you have ever known?

I know the internet very long, indeed, since 1985 and I participated very intense till about '96, until www came to full bloom. Before I was in usenet altnet gernet fidonet and more, even helped to support the rising of a german culture-net. I also I was in local mailboxes, with regular user-meeting. I know from what I am speaking here.
But to relief you, I was on almost every mountain top here in Bavaria, love forests and nature in general, which is my 'virtual' home.
That what sucks is modern real society, how you call it. As I said, I live in city and used to go out in my earlier years, of course. But I really can abandon all those posers and city-bloomers here in this town. I love to make up my own community, as I ever had, search for the right people and places and enjoy life with them.

Perhaps you should dig into internet a bit deeper ? It seems, that you are the one who lacks understanding in this matter.


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

Edited by BlueCoyote (11/05/05 02:30 PM)

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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: BlueCoyote]
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What about the rest of my post quoted below?
The same information has always been available for the resourceful. It's aquisition has merely been made more convenient. And for this convenience, we have traded real heart to heart, face to face laughter. How can we count the true cost?
I answered it above in the second paragraph:

On the opposite, the internet gives me much more bundeled information about something thet really interests me for real life in a much faster way. And that what interest me, are in main part also social communities and understanding for the goodwill of spirit and earth.

I should ad that emoticons are a real good way to express feelings like lol of face to face laughter... they are limited, indeed, but I also can like to recieve a video of yours, where you show me your laughter :wink:
:a hides behind desk :lol:


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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Dare to resist, dare to go outside and wander around. I will see you, we will smoke a joint together and ponder life's mysteries. I am the resistance, I am the philosopher, I am everywhere, you just have to come outside and look for me. I promise you, I exist. :zoom:


Im that guy too. Im sick of the docile masses, so i sing and walk creatively and be weird - alone usually and provoke reactions in innocent ways. Just for the sake of hopefully inspiring a conversation or a thought in some mind numbed briefcase weilding suit and tie guy staring at the ground on his way to whatever important duty he is assigned to, where he will consume and waste and consume and waste...

its hard to build a community, most people dont even think about what their lacking.

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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: BlueCoyote]
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Quote:
I should ad that emoticons are a real good way to express feelings like lol of face to face laughter... they are limited, indeed, but I also can like to recieve a video of yours, where you show me your laughter
:a hides behind desk


Emoticons are a real good way to experience laughter? :lol: no


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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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Come on, are you for real or just mocking around ?

Why don't complain about books, monastaries, museums, theatres, television, jojo, meditation,...,..........

Internet is the worst example for that what you want to explain...


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: BlueCoyote]
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For real.

I just think we would be better off without it. Of couse, since I'm saying this on the internet I know already I will hold the minority opinion. That is fine.


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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: headset]
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Quote:
its hard to build a community, most people dont even think about what their lacking.


indeed


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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: BlueCoyote]
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Why don't complain about books, monastaries, museums, theatres, television, jojo, meditation,...,..........

Internet is the worst example for that what you want to explain...



None of those things (besides T.V.) have ever been so successful at diverting people's attention as to cause a noticible difference in missing people outdoors, or else I would have complained.

I complain plenty about T.V, BTW


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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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One of the best things, internet can do, is to link people together...


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Though lovers be lost love shall not  And death shall have no dominion
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"Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men."Martin Luther King, Jr.
'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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I totally agree with the general comment looking at the big picture. I got started on message boards at age 34 in March of '03. I know life without it for sure.

The change in my lifestyle before and after is huge. I definitely got sucked in for convinence purposes. It's to easy to be chatting with many people of common interest from all over the world right in my own home, without having to pick up the phone, make plans, get baby sitters blah blah. I'm also a night owl up to 3 in the morning when all of my friends are in bed by 9-10 P.M. (the gotta get kids to school and go to work)

People are active on the net around the clock. It's like the city that never sleeps.

I much prefer real social interaction though. Having become a stay at home mom, I spend much of my time having discussions with children and other moms who I have little in common with. The net has been a great convenience for me.

I also feel sucked in by it too. It is a great wealth of information. I never not want to have access to it. I do think it has made me become lazy from reaching out more to real life friends and family though for sure. 

I can't say its a government plot to put people in cyber isolation because here on the net is where people can unite from around the globe and discuss the government. It can work against them. Then again, they can see what people are saying about them too now.:lol:

I agree that these relationships are not close to the real thing. People are likely to say so much on the net they wouldn't in real life situations. You can click a button and make people disappear from your life on the net. You can't do that in real life. You have to be nicer and work harder to get along in real life. Virtual reality is easy. Real life takes work and effort.

I'm definitely working to cut back. Within a year, I want to be off message boards for good.

The net is a great way for shy introverts to socialize, but I'm an outgoing extrovert so I have no idea what I am doing socializing on the net really. There's got to be people around me who like to talk about spiritual meta physical stuff. Why go find them out there when millions are in my home through the net. Maybe I did get suckered in by a modern convenience. I can see it, admit it, and am working to pull back.

Good post! :thumbup: :heart:


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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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Well, the Internet is only a life consumer if you make it that way. For instance, I have been out doing shit all day today. I was not compelled to get on the net while I was otherwise engaged. Now it is dark and getting cold outside so here I sit. I am not interested in watching TV. Surfing the net is at least as healthy. At least you are interacting. I use the computer to learn in many ways. I like to write code, play games, or sometimes I just surf forums. In any case I am engaged in active learning. I consider this equivalent to reading as far as the potential to learn goes. I also like to fish, hunt, hike, camp, trip (out of doors if possible),and listen to music. Tripping is a healthy activity that engages my mind and spirit and often gets me out of the house...it is not physically harmful. The net is just a small part of my varied experience. Government plots are ridiculous. You are responsible for your own internet use...be moderate...follow the middle path.


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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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"I'm definitely working to cut back. Within a year, I want to be off message boards for good."

That sounds very familiar. I used to have a severe drinking problem...I said similar things all of the time. The problem is not the internet, just as the problem I had was not alcohol. One must exercise discipline and self control. The internet is just one source of stimuli...one entre on the plate of life. I like it, but I definitely want a full meal. Going cold turkey didn't work with alcohol...I doubt it will work in this case as well...I always came back to alcohol after an abscence. The key was to learn balence and control.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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porn is something thats a real problem on the internet...

its creating a voyerist culture satisfied with themselves at the simplest levels, and im sure is changing the face of sexuality among young people...

i find this to be a problem with myself anyways.

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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: headset]
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i love internet coz i can plug in to the real deal and discuss whatever the hell i want whenever i want and skip all the stupid ego games, prejudices and shallow pretending people do in real life..

then again i hate internet coz its voluntary amputation, but its reasonable option for killin time when im stuck @city bored to death so im usin it but i also go out and meet real people..

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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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I understand that and that would be the case if I didn't think the Internet"message boards" were a lazy convenience for socializing with people with common interests.

I'll always want net access for other forms of resourcing.

In all fairness, I'm sure for most, message boards are a nice compliment to their life used in moderation.

The Internet is also no excuse for the major change in my life.

I use to be a total social butterfly and the center of social scenes from day one of my life.

It was when I became a mom that it started to change or was it when I left the islands. More that but the mom thing too. I still maintain friendships and socialize, but it's Nothing like before and now, most of it revolves around socializing with the parents of my daughters friends-people who um well er um arn't my cup of Tea.

I'd rather be alone then just chit chat about the mundane. Before, most of socializing revolved around activities with friends who were all without kids too. Now, everyone around my age has kids and we just can't take off and go golfing or windsurfing. We have to arrange for baby sitters and it's not so easy anymore.

Maybe its because I had my daughter and started a spiritual awakening at the same time. Maybe, I don't socialize as much because, I pulled "mentally" out the mundane world. I like talking about higher awareness spirituality stuff.

When I stumbled upon a message board doing a web search a few years back I was hooked.

I say that it may take me up to a year to pull out for good because, I don't know how to write a social life program  that fulfills my changed needs for socializing while being a parent. I haven't done it before. I have to start writing one and it may take some time to fill in the pages so to speak. I know I want it though and I know I will need something else going on to pull me away.

Just staying away from the computer isn't enough. I have to fill that time and space with something just as fulfilling. Not sure what that would be because, I have changed and being a parent now changes things.

I'll figure it out, I'm not asking for help on that. Just explaining my personal situation for why I got sucked up into the net. It's been an easy convenience.
I often wish a bunch of friends at another spirituality forum, more my age with kids all lived on my block. That would be so cool.

I have made moves to get out there more and .......maybe I live in the wrong area for me or something. Ever since I left islands and have been back in the states, I just don't resonate with most people I meet anymore.

I had a dream last night we moved back to Hawaii. Maybe I need to move. People are so caught up in their material pursuits and competitive games and phony pretentious crap and dramas they think are real and unsolvable and people are so BUSY with tight schedules. Busy with what???? Shopping, doctors appointments, family obligations, thbbbb It wasn't like that in the islands.

We use to sit around soaking up the sun discussing the mysteries of life and just feeling good to be alive in paradise. The pace was so slow and relaxed.

How bout this hue, even though I got sucked up into spirituality message boards, the net isn't the problem. I'm not living in a resonant place which is why the net works so well for me. I love my home and the area is nice. Maybe its just that I have moved a lot in the last 6 years and its more difficult to get re-established with each move at my age.

When I moved to St. Thomas at 25, I generated a wealth of new awesome friends to hang with in no time. Same with Kauai when I was 27 and back to St. Thomas when I was 29. It was when I came back to the states it tanked. I thought the islands weren't a good balanced place to raise a kid. Maybe thats where I went wrong.

Just ignore me in this post okay. Thanks for giving me reason to type this out in front of me. I've thought about it, talked about it with my husband, but haven't put it in front of me like this to look at. I'd rather chat on the spiritual message boards then chat about meat prices at the different grocery stores around here with neighbors. Oh god its so sad. I'll send you a therapy check.:tongue: :lol:

:peace: :heart:


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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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If I were still alive today I would use the internet to suck other peoples lives away. They would be suckers to fall for it - Ted


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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: LunarEclipse]
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You're not alive, you say? Care to elaborate?


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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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It is normal that when you have kids your social life declines quite a bit. When mine were very small I was totally tied down. I didn't even have relatives near by to watch them occasionally. Until my kids were teens my wife and I did not go somewhere alone more than 3 times. We were too poor to afford a babysitter as well. The internet would have been a Godsend in trying to remain sane. As it stands now it won't be long before my kids all enter college, and my freedom is once again on the horizon.
Interacting with others over the net is no better or worse than any other form of interaction, but one should try to vary the human interaction a bit for the sake of avoiding boredom. Sometimes in life that is not possible so in that case the Internet can be a substitute...I mean it is better (and healthier) than no interaction at all. I will say that no one that I know has any interest in philosophy, entheogens, or spiritual matters so my discussion of this subject will probably stay online. In the end the internet is a tool...a means to an end. As long as it remains such there is no problem. When people see it as an end in itself it becomes a problem.
It is worth noting that if you go trying to expect other places to live up to Hawaii you will come up short. I lived there myself and as far as beautiful serene places go it can't be beat. On that count you will always be lacking unless you move back. Of course, then you may find that the place you remember is not there anymore...because you are not the same person with the same needs. I recently had this experience of going to a place in the wilderness where my family and myself would go camping when we had a little money and time...years ago when my kids were really small. It was a lifesaver to go out into the forest to this place and let go of stress. I visited this place a while ago and found that it was not what I remembered. My needs had changed...I had changed...the place I remembered only existed in my memory. It just shows that one must let go of the past and always look to the future. Change is our friend and the nature of our reality.


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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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FEEL ALIVE

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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: Doom]
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Damn straight.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Thanks for relating about the parent part Hue. I never would be on message boards if I wasn't. The first one I found was doing a search a something about kids and it was a spirituality forum for parents.

If I went back to Hawaii, which could happen in a year or two, I would try Maui out. It has a large spiritual minded community as well and the slower pace that makes socializing easier. Everyones not in a great rush with busy doings. That part of me stuck  and hasn't changed since I left. Islands don't change that laid back factor either. Thats what would be a more resonant environment for me to be in to engage in more socializing off the net. 

You were in Oahu weren't you? Thats crazy city life. I'd move to Kihea Maui. I talked about it again with my husband after my last reply and like I said, with a new promotion he got, it may be doable in another year and we are all for it. He's pushing for new Zealand. I dunno about that. They have some far out energy vortex's there. Maybe I'm getting another calling :lol:

It's really nice where I am in Tampa, I'm just not "feeling it" or what it is I am feeling, I'm not resonating with or something is just not clicking. Same old shit around here as in Chicago only worse. People are so tense. No one is relaxed around here. They are uncomfortable to be around.

In the mean time, the net is filling a void I am well aware of. I'd rather "feel it on the same wavelength" with actual people whose eyes I can see and laughs I can hear.

Thanks again! :heart:


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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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I was primarily on Oahu, but I spent time an all of the Islands...even Kahoolave. I even climbed a good chunk of Mauna Loa once. Most of the time was spent outdoors so I could well appreciate it's beauty. Don't shun New Zealand. The forests are all original growth...untouched and ancient. If you saw The Lord of the Rings movies you know the deal.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

Edited by Huehuecoyotl (11/06/05 12:49 PM)

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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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I was executed in Florida on 1/24/89-Ted.


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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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http://www.paradroid.net/bf2stats/bf2stats.cgi?pid=44925574

theres some proof :tongue:


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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: barfightlard]
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Wow. You are a highly decorated soldier. You should be proud of your record of service.


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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: barfightlard]
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bellylard said:
http://www.paradroid.net/bf2stats/bf2stats.cgi?pid=44925574

theres some proof :tongue:


OMG I am so gonna get that game. How much is it in stores?


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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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A lot of the information revolution was fuelled by hippies and freak types tinkering with computers.

Why does the government want people to be internet addicts? What the hell for? "The government is evil, therefore they only want the worst for us. Hell, they'll even make elaborate technological advances just so people are lazier. Then they'll gain weight! This is a useful thing to do because having fat people is... good."

Some people like to think that everything that is big, or part of mainstream society is actually created by the government in order to perpetrate some kind of evil. I think the root of this thinking is from when we're little kids and we see all these shows where the bad guys don't have any reason. They're just like "I'm going to destroy the world! Muahahahahhha!"

The internet is the awesomest invention ever. Not getting enough excercise isn't good. Get excercise and have a life. You can still do this and use the internet, the vast majority of the people who use the internet do. In fact, most of the people who don't get out enough and sit around on the internet are the same people who would have sat around reading books without getting enough excercise 100 years ago.

Jut because the internet is the excuse a lot of people use for their laziness nowadays doesn't mean it's the cause. Have real life friends and you'll be fine.

The internet is the first place where speech is really free. Everyone can talk about anything.

Ideas are all over the place, music, movies, everything free.

I think some people can't stand to not be rebels. So by denouncing the internet, they can convince themselves that they're fighting "the man".


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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: Phluck]
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id like to see someone else comment on "voyeristic culture" spawned by the internet...

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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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I spent a period of like 4 years in complete seclusion doing nothing but going to school and gaming my days away on the computer. I had practically no real life friends and no interaction outside of Ultima Online and AOL. It completely drained my ability to properly socially interact with people as well as fueled my unhealth and low self esteem.

I am still recovering. :p

In any case....internet still > TV.

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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: Phluck]
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Phluck said:
Why does the government want people to be internet addicts?


Just tossing around thoughts...... -> because electronic communication can be mediated, monitored. Person to person direct verbal and physical communication is pretty much unmediated.

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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: findbuddha] * 1
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Depends on what you do while online, is it productive like learning a skill etc etc or unproductive, like playing comoputer games or watching porn etc etc

I have always struggled in relationships with people, and find that online I open up a bit and say what is on my mind more, this is because some of the face-to-face inhibitions drop away.
Online, I am more who I like to be and I think others responses on message boards are more honest than in face to face life.
I can make a point online and get different reactions, some I may learn from in all different ways, face-to-face, I may not even dare to make this point, sometimes I am so on edge I dont even know how I feel.
Having said that, I do try to put myself among people still, just for the balance, and sometimes its good, but sometimes I just wanna come back home


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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: findbuddha]
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"because electronic communication can be mediated, monitored."

No they can't. Haven't you ever heard the term "hacker"? The internet is the most loose form of communications. 256 bit encryption can insure that you will NEVER be monitored or censored. Why do you think terrorist organizations use the internet to coordinate their activities...because the internet is so hard to monitor well. Every monitoring process could just as easily be countered by electronic means. The web is an agent of freedom, not oppression. It is moving us towards the freedom of all information. To even consider that it is a government plot to remove our freedom of speech is absurd. Look at this forum...do you discuss drug use at work...the police station...even on the telephone? Hell no, but you can do it here without real fear of reprisal.


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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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Microcosmatrix said:
It does. There are less people outdoors partying. This is what the government wants. We are suckers for falling for it. Discuss.


The internet is the ultimate tool. It is the answer to everything, ask a question, within minutes, you will have a documented answer. You can even ask questions on any article, finding the right forum, and still get an answer even if the question's been asked 20 times before you. It is the ultimate form of communication, you can find people that want to talk about the exact same thing you do, and have as much or more knowledge than you. Once you have had a conversation, you can search the archives for past ones, something you cant really do in real life.

However, it is hard to convey emotion. I hate, I despise AIM, and I spend a lot of time on my computer. Every time I go on, someone will IM me, and ask what's up. I say nothing, and they post nothing else. WHY DID YOU IM ME IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO SAY?!

However, I like internet forums. You can think out your answer, and then type it out, never looking like a fool by giving a quick, mundane answer.

I like having a 'real' conversation because I can look a person in the eye, smoke a bowl or some sweet sheesha tobacco with them, and have much more interaction than I can on the net. However, I cant post a link to a funny picture, or provide a source for my argument during a conversation.

A combination of both internet and real life conversation is the answer. Being ecleptic is always better than choosing one or the other.


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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
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Huehuecoyotl said:
"because electronic communication can be mediated, monitored."

No they can't. Haven't you ever heard the term "hacker"? The internet is the most loose form of communications. 256 bit encryption can insure that you will NEVER be monitored or censored. Why do you think terrorist organizations use the internet to coordinate their activities...because the internet is so hard to monitor well. Every monitoring process could just as easily be countered by electronic means. The web is an agent of freedom, not oppression. It is moving us towards the freedom of all information. To even consider that it is a government plot to remove our freedom of speech is absurd. Look at this forum...do you discuss drug use at work...the police station...even on the telephone? Hell no, but you can do it here without real fear of reprisal.


I'm not talking about websites like this one. I'm talking about the general MSN, email, non-encryption using population. Their communication is open for the world to see. Anyone who uses encryption is aware of the potential for all electronic communication to be monitored, but they're only taking those steps because they actually care about their privacy. The vast majority of people seem quite happy to have their communication monitored in the name of security, because, after all, they have "nothing to hide"......

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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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Microcosmatrix said:
bellylard said:
http://www.paradroid.net/bf2stats/bf2stats.cgi?pid=44925574

theres some proof :tongue:


OMG I am so gonna get that game. How much is it in stores?


$60 CDN  If your computer can handle it pick it up for sure.  Note that even if you have a good video card you'l be playing on mostly low settings unless you have at least 1gb of ram.

those arn't my stats......I do have somewhat of a life.  My daily average is 1.5hrs.


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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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The internet has tons of potential.
What better way to spread information and connect with people globally?
What better way in today's society to speak your mind so easily?

The internet has vast amounts of potential.
Unfortunately, a lot of it is filled with crap meant to distract us.

It's a global 'web' of information.. that connects everyone in the world (practically... ) what better way to bring everyone together? At least it's a start..


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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: Microcosmatrix]
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Quote:
Shroomism said:The internet has vast amounts of potential.
Unfortunately, a lot of it is filled with crap meant to distract us.



Isn't this true of "real" life, too?  :grin:  Society, school, work, or anything we choose to engage in, could be described much the same way. 

IMO value is all in the choices of the "engager." The internet, society, relationships, etc...cannot suck your life away without your permission and cooperation.

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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: Veritas]
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i only read the first post but its not true. people still see eachother face to face. i think the internet is good for human interaction because it gives people another way to interact. for example when i get home from seeing my real life friends if im not completely satisfied i can come to this board an interact with more like minded people. of course the internet can suck your life away if you let it but you have to take charge of your life and not let an addiction to the internet suck it away. ill admit the internet can be pretty addictive but i dont think that is reason enough to get rid of it.

Edited by Deviate (11/08/05 09:24 PM)

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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: Deviate]
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its not as bad as the fucking television where as i can barely choose where to go and what to see, i just get into a trance state and get fed information

makes me physically ill when i watch television for long periods of time (except like adult swim, thats just fuckin funny)


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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: Veritas]
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I agree with you. So many people seek reasons for abdicating responsibility for their actions. It is too easy to say that the reason one is an incompetant, undisciplined basket case is because the internet is ruining their life. One must learn to look within the self for their reasons for disatisfaction, and quit looking for someone or something to blame. Being a helpless victim is not very empowering.


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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: naturalpatterns1]
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Depends on what you do while online, is it productive like learning a skill etc etc or unproductive, like playing comoputer games or watching porn etc etc

Are computer games really that bad for you? They can be complex and immersive. Some studies suggest that video games can help develop reasoning, reflex, coordination and problem solving skills.

For example: http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Health/story?id=814080&page=1

"Common knowledge" is something that everyone knows and believes to be true. It isn't necessarily true at all, though. In fact, it's not uncommon for "common knowledge" to be completely false.

The idea that video games are bad for you is "common knowledge".


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http://phluck.is-after.us

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Re: The internet sucks your life away [Re: Phluck]
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The internet is the devil in disguise.

It has consumed my soullllll.


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Good luck and blessings of happiness and fortune." ~ RandalFlagg RIP


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