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InvisibleInnvertigo
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Re: 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty- se ya - Ha [Re: jihead]
    #493135 - 12/16/01 06:01 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

**all that foxnews is starting to rot your brain innvert**

huh...and CNN is better? Or are those black helicopters still bothering you?
Stick to the topic

***think about this for one fucking minute logically***

I don't believe you can so why bother?

****what happens if we erect a missle sheild? thats right, countries stop building ICBM's in favor of, thats right, small scale nuclear devices. suitcased sized a-bombs, capable of being delivered to any american city with the ease of a businessman flying with his laptop. ***

less effective nukes at that...so i say that's a great trade off...however they have the ability to do that to us now and they haven't so your theory is severely flawed.

****and no, this isnt a pipe dream, the soviet union had a plethora of such devices and guess where a good deal ended up when they collapsed?? thats right, in the hands of the people we are bombing everyday. ***

is that right?...where are they then and why aren't they using them?

****but you can ignore all of that if you want, its facts and logic and i know how you conservatives-a libertarian is a conservative too, learn your policial scales-like to ignore such things. *****

I'd like to discuss political philosophy with you but when someone says something as stupid as conservatives = Libertarians i can't take anything you say seriously...besides if you have an alternate view feel free to start your own thread..if you can

****And it will escalate the arms race to higher proportions.***
***um, freaking duh! i****

I never said this...keep up sparky

***i apologize for being so crass, but this is the most rediculously retarded statement i have ever heard. the reason we are at war and planes are flying into our buildings is because we ignore the protests and opinions of the rest of the world. ***

I don't expect someone like you to act any other way. Besides saying that the WTC attack was our fault because we don't Kow-tow to their every need is just plain disturbing. Don't try to justify the killings of thousands to fullfill some sick desire you may have.

****if we would listen to the people we try to impose our will upon and had a little compassion, we wouldnt be in such a mess. o wait, facists dont like compassion. ****

Your off the point...stay on the topic if you can

***who is going to attack the backwoods of kentucky anyway? i think its fucking ironic as shit that you have a pink flyod quote for your sig when you are content on being comfortably numb for you entire life. ****

Yet again off point..start a thread if you want to discuss this

****respect is NOT earned by attacking third world countries and raping citizens of their rights. ***

and what third world country are you referring to?..again off topic start a thread

****if people feared or respected us, we wouldnt have planes hitting buildings and half of europe protesting our ignorance. ****

Are you going to discuss the ABM treaty or are you going to rehash the old "the whole world hates the USA" state of mind..if it's the latter..start a thread

****go wave your flag somewhere else jingo. ****

Unfortunatly the flag that i wave is red, white, and blue.....as well as my allies colors. It's to bad you have no flag to bear...except the flag of ignorance


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Re: 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty- se ya - Ha [Re: Innvertigo]
    #493214 - 12/16/01 08:02 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

"huh...and CNN is better? Or are those black helicopters still bothering you?
Stick to the topic "

maybe if i watched tv at all you could say this, but i get all my news from alternative sources (infoshop.org, indymedia.org, or seminars and teach-ins at my college.)

"I don't believe you can so why bother?"

*sigh*

"less effective nukes at that...so i say that's a great trade off...however they have the ability to do that to us now and they haven't so your theory is severely flawed."

riiiiiiiiiight. spending billions upon billions of dollars of MY money to have "less" of a threat of nuclear annhilation. good plan. and you wonder why we rank LAST in education amongst developed nations. as for my theory being flawed, there has never been an icbm launched so why do we need a sheild? THINK!

"is that right?...where are they then and why aren't they using them?"

they were sold to terrorists by russian scientist after the collapse. there is tons of documented evidence on this. why arnt they using them? well, whos to say they dont already have plans to?

"I'd like to discuss political philosophy with you but when someone says something as stupid as conservatives = Libertarians i can't take anything you say seriously...besides if you have an alternate view feel free to start your own thread..if you can"

let me explain something to you i learned in third grade. there are two sides to a political scale. in the middle, we have moderates. simple. on the left, it progresses from liberals to radicals to revolutionaries. on the right, conservatives to reactionaries to libertatians. now, i myself am very far to the left, pretty much an anarchist, yet you seem perfectly alright with calling me a liberal, which i am, only to a much stronger degree. by the same merit, you being a libertarian are nothing more than an ultra conservative. i was one too for a while, it just seems like a lot of bullshit to take power from the government and give it to corporations. VIVA LA WALMART!

"****And it will escalate the arms race to higher proportions.***
***um, freaking duh! i****

I never said this...keep up sparky "

ok, so i copied the wrong phrase, you know exactly what i meant.

"I don't expect someone like you to act any other way. Besides saying that the WTC attack was our fault because we don't Kow-tow to their every need is just plain disturbing. Don't try to justify the killings of thousands to fullfill some sick desire you may have.

Kow-Tow??? ok. well we kill hundreds and thousands every day because certain governments dont "kow-tow" to our needs. if a government isnt pro-US, pro-capitalism, they are viewed as a threat to america and we usually end up inserting a brutal dictatorship much more friendly to america. ever heard of the sandanistas?

"and what third world country are you referring to?..again off topic start a thread"

ever take geography? tell me if you've heard of any of these countries: Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Iraq, Iran, Columbia, Bolivia, South Korea, the Phillipines, Guatamala, Ecuador, Peru, Pakistan. If not, Foxnews may have mentioned this one, Afghanistan? read a few books on the foreign policies of america, then enter into american diplomacy questions.

"Unfortunatly the flag that i wave is red, white, and blue.....as well as my allies colors. It's to bad you have no flag to bear...except the flag of ignorance "

funny, most people i see waving their flags are as ignorant to the truth as a hole in the wall. but you just keep flying your colors, it makes it much easier to avoid morons when they are proud to display it to the world.


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InvisibleLenore
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Re: 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty- se ya - Ha [Re: jihead]
    #493223 - 12/16/01 08:13 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

im jumping ship on this sinker.


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Re: 1972 Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty- se ya - Ha [Re: jihead]
    #493228 - 12/16/01 08:19 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Ok, let me intervene and make this simple for everyone.

Rogue nation launches lets say 25 nuclear missles at United States.

We are able to detect missles approxiametly 12 hours before impact on our soil.

Ok now we can have two different situations:

1) We have Anti missle defense system: Ok so we shoot down the missles, invade rogue nation, most likely destroy its military capabilties and we win. Everyones happy right?

2) We don't have anti-missle defense system: Ok, realizing we're under attack 12 hours prior to impact we launch every god forsaken nuclear ICBM missle we have left at rogue nation. Ok so, we loose 25 cities and the rogue nation loses almost its whole country (assuming most rogue nations aren't very large, not including China). Well everyones not happy.

Ok, that sounds as if its in support of anti-missle defense program. But picture this....
Who in their right mind would launch nuclear missles at the United States knwoing full well that they would be detected well before they landed and the US would retaliate and launch a LARGE barrage of missles at the rogue nation in its defense, in effect, wiping out the rogue nation. No nation would do it, except maybe China.

So basically, I beleive we are erecting this humungous project to protect ourselves from one nation.

Waste of money if you ask me. I agrre on the fact that if we erect this defense system countries will find alternative methos to do the same amount of damage, and those alternative methods can be more frightnening then missles aimed at US cities.

Examples : Terrorism... Not knowing whether or not anywhere you go you could end up a victim of terrorist violence ie: airplanes, large public areas, stadiums.

Look at Israel, yikes.

Yes, thats my long two cents.

Peace


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