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OfflineShroomDave
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Why Cubes?
    #4891862 - 11/03/05 11:30 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

All the grow ads that I've been reading and all the grow regulators on sites have been setting the temps and everything in the 70s to teh 90s. When discovering that cyans were growing in my hood I tried to cultivate them with no chance in hell. I put them in a humid housing at about 70 to 75 degrees instantly killing the babies I had. I thought about it and couldnt understand why my computer was telling to keep it hot, but outside they seemed to grow avidly. So all the descriptions were for growing cubes and they, in my opinion they dont suck, but they arnt the best.
So why are people so into cubes... is it because they were the first found and they dont contaminate as easily? I have never tried to take much more than an 1/8 of cubes, but they dont taste as good as some Cyans and they arnt as potent. Why do growers prefer them? Is it weight in distributing them... is the moisture content in them different, so when drying they lose less weight? Is it growing times? Is it growing sterilization? Do they need a less sterile environment? I just dont understand why someone would want to grow cubensis when they could get grow azurescens just as easy. Or can they?


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Re: Why Cubes? [Re: ShroomDave]
    #4891882 - 11/03/05 11:33 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Cubensis fruits at room temp. Although incubation is wamer, room temp stays pretty much the same year round (in my house anyway) so I find these easier.

When I looked into growing, cubes were what most people grow. So I thought I'd do the norm because it has the most available information.


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Re: Why Cubes? [Re: jarroddupont]
    #4891892 - 11/03/05 11:35 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Thats what I've been thinking. If I didnt live in the PNW I think that I wouldnt even think about growing Cyans.
How big is your growing room and how much does it produce?


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Re: Why Cubes? [Re: ShroomDave]
    #4891904 - 11/03/05 11:37 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Cyans and Azures are a lot more difficult to cultivate. Most people start with cubes because, for the most part, if you can follow basic directions, you'll get a crop. Some of the better growers on this site and others (Mycotopia, for example) still have difficulty getting Cyans and Azures to fruit indoors. Outdoor patches are possible, but they take a lot more time and effort than mixing substrate, PC'ing, injecting, incubating, and fruiting.


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Re: Why Cubes? [Re: Drink_Punk_Soda]
    #4891916 - 11/03/05 11:40 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Stop this post for one second... everyone should look at http://www.teamdead.net/gentoo/e-shrooms/ Its jarroddupont's homepage and that shit is the craziest shit ever. If everyone has seen this before and its old news than carry on.


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Re: Why Cubes? [Re: Drink_Punk_Soda]
    #4891921 - 11/03/05 11:41 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

What is PCing?


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Re: Why Cubes? [Re: ShroomDave]
    #4891925 - 11/03/05 11:42 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)


That's my incubator, put jars ontop of my stereo amp


And those are the tubs I fruit my casings in

No grow room, just do it where I can
(have roomates that don't need to know about my grow)

My casings are 1/4lb of poo (dry) and yield about an ounce first flush

Don't click that link if you have epilepsy!!!

PCing is "pressure cooking"


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-- Croatian Proverb


Edited by jarroddupont (11/03/05 11:43 PM)


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Re: Why Cubes? [Re: ShroomDave]
    #4891930 - 11/03/05 11:43 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Nevermind... pressure cooking... I thought it was something else entirely. I thought it was an unknown hidden sort of TeK. My stupidity is humiliating and I apoligize to everyone for having to be pained by it.


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Re: Why Cubes? [Re: jarroddupont]
    #4891938 - 11/03/05 11:45 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

That doesnt sound like that much for how big your containers are. Isnt your second flush even less... is that ounce dry weight... it would have to be. What are the deminsions of thoughs containers.


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Re: Why Cubes? [Re: ShroomDave]
    #4891950 - 11/03/05 11:47 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Each container holds 3 casings (about 16" across, don't know cubic dimensions)

Second flush is about 17grams

Third flush is about half of second

(based on latest grow only, mexi-cube, all are dry weights)


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Re: Why Cubes? [Re: ShroomDave]
    #4891954 - 11/03/05 11:49 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

How many containers would I need if I wanted to grow a consistant QP every month, starting out. Then second flush, third flush and so on after that would happen a bit faster than a month. But for the first month or so how many containers would I need? Considering of course that all of them would be successful.


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Re: Why Cubes? [Re: ShroomDave]
    #4891963 - 11/03/05 11:51 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

What are 3 casings? Is that just a jar turned upside down with its contents still in the shape of the jar?


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Re: Why Cubes? [Re: ShroomDave]
    #4891972 - 11/03/05 11:52 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

That's impossible to answer. Plus it sounds kind of sketchy.

I'd suggest hitting the faqs, and reading over some grow logs. There really isn't a lot to this hobby, once you've gotten the basics down. I'd say, if you're really after such a volume, make a test run. Do a few jars, see what it gets you, and go from there.


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Re: Why Cubes? [Re: ShroomDave]
    #4891978 - 11/03/05 11:53 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Depends on the size of your casings, substrate depth, substrate material, and of course optimal growth parameters.

There are really too many variables.

Read up on spawning to bulk. Each of my tubs holds 3 breadpan casings, each of those yield an ounce first flush (give or take)

With that size of tub, and all flushes combined, I would get about a QP.

Right now I've only got 2 casings in each. One is fruiting, one is knotting (primordia/prepinning), and two are colonizing after spawning.

Best results, spawn to Poo, HORSE POO. have at least a 4" sub depth, and maintain optimal FAE, RH, temps, and dunk/mist casings after flushes.


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Re: Why Cubes? [Re: ShroomDave]
    #4891987 - 11/03/05 11:54 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

ShroomDave said:
What are 3 casings? Is that just a jar turned upside down with its contents still in the shape of the jar?




those would be cakes.

You most DEFFINATELY need to do some more reading. and then read some more. Only reason my grows are succesful is because I read for over 300 hours before attempting.


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Re: Why Cubes? [Re: ShroomDave]
    #4891989 - 11/03/05 11:55 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

What are 3 casings?  Two more than one casing.  :tongue2:

Faqs, faqs, faqs.  They really spell everything out.

?CULTIVATION FAQ!


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Re: Why Cubes? [Re: Drink_Punk_Soda]
    #4892040 - 11/04/05 12:02 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

If I wasnt in the quest for knowledge I dont think I would be here. I've been sort of looking this for about 9 months and I still dont think I know everything. Just trying my hardest not to poison my friends and myself. Also the success would be a nice pay off also.


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