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OfflineTameMe
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liquor is a horrible form of alcohol
    #4866606 - 10/29/05 09:55 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

only because when i drink it i do crazy shit...

like start drama....be extremely loud and obnoxious...fight....steal shit....or wander off black out ...and sleep in a strangers car.

there was lots of liquor around me last night...and i didn't drink any.

i'm proud of myself.
does anyone else have to stay away from liquor?
i used to only have to be scared of the brown ones..but the clears are dangerous too now.


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Re: liquor is a horrible form of alcohol [Re: TameMe]
    #4866633 - 10/29/05 10:03 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

there was lots of liquor around me last night...and i didn't drink any.

Right on, man! You damn well should be proud! :smile:

Will-power is key, and it looks like you've got enough to use wisely!


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Re: liquor is a horrible form of alcohol [Re: TameMe]
    #4866636 - 10/29/05 10:06 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Alcohol is alcohol, it all has the same effect.

You're tricking yourself into thinking it's different.


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Re: liquor is a horrible form of alcohol [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #4866638 - 10/29/05 10:07 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

no, beer is less effective and fills you up faster....you don't get as drunk as quick.


Edited by TameMe (10/29/05 10:08 AM)


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Re: liquor is a horrible form of alcohol [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #4866654 - 10/29/05 10:14 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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HeavyToilet said:
Alcohol is alcohol, it all has the same effect.

You're tricking yourself into thinking it's different.




Have you ever known an alcoholic?

I have a few in my family and a couple friends well on their way to becoming one.

Different kinds of booze can have greatly different effects on some people.

As TameMe pointed out, some alcohol is much higher percentage than others. That means you get the alcohol into your system quicker, while drinking less. Means you get drunk quicker and harder.

I'd liken it to the difference of taking 4g of shrooms all at once, or 1g of shrooms every hour for four hours. Yes the total dose is still the same, but the experience will be MARKEDLY different due to the extended dose period of the latter method.


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Re: liquor is a horrible form of alcohol [Re: TameMe]
    #4866661 - 10/29/05 10:16 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I've never been 'filled up' from drinking any type of beverage.

If you're comparing chugging hard liquor straight to drinking beer, well no shit you're gonna get drunk faster. But that's YOUR decision to take it that way, it has nothing to do with alcohol being in that form.

If you don't want to get drunk faster then compensate by drinking slower, or mixing it. It's not that hard of a thing to figure out.


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Re: liquor is a horrible form of alcohol [Re: trendal]
    #4866675 - 10/29/05 10:21 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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start drama....be extremely loud and obnoxious...fight....steal shit....or wander off black out ...and sleep in a strangers car.





The same thing can happen if you drink a couple dozen beers or drinking a 26er of hard liquor.

As I said, if you don't want to get drunk really fast just drink slower and/or dilute it more with mix. It's not something you can't EASILY control.


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Re: liquor is a horrible form of alcohol [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #4866684 - 10/29/05 10:24 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

That's not what I said, though.

I said different forms of booze can have different effects on some people. Agree?


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Re: liquor is a horrible form of alcohol [Re: trendal]
    #4866698 - 10/29/05 10:30 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I don't.

If someone drinks a couple dozen beers or a 26 of hard liquor, it's the same thing. Drinking the two dozen beers isn't going to make them some kind of relaxed drunk, it's the same intoxication.

And to answer your question my best friend is an alcoholic, and I was an alcoholic for a brief period of time. Whenever I drink alcohol, I will experience the same inebriation as I always do, no matter what type of alcohol it is.

I've gotten extremely violent from drinking beer, it has no different effect on me than hard liquor would (if I were to consume the same amount of alcohol).


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Re: liquor is a horrible form of alcohol [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #4866713 - 10/29/05 10:37 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Well I certainly agree with you that if you were to drink the same volume of alcohol it would have the same effect (or nearly so) no matter what form of booze it came from.

However I think the form of booze is quite important. It is much easier to get very drunk very quickly on hard booze than on beer. Yes, you can drink slowly but that's hard to remember to do after your first few :smirk:

I had an uncle who died years ago an alcoholic. Wine made him pretty crazy from what I remember - especially red wine - but he could handle beer and at least some hard liquor fine.

Alcohol is alcohol is alcohol...but not all drinks are the same.


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Re: liquor is a horrible form of alcohol [Re: trendal]
    #4866752 - 10/29/05 11:03 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

i dont drink but when i used to liquor was my favorite form of alcohol. less side effects and peeing than beer. i admit its more evil than beer because its easier to drink more faster but if you're careful to drink only the same about of alcohol you would if you were drinking beer i think its better for you than beer.


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Re: liquor is a horrible form of alcohol [Re: Deviate]
    #4866821 - 10/29/05 11:30 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

the problem is I'm not that careful. i could try to keep it nice and slow and nurse some mixed drinks....but knowing myself....that is unlikely. I'd rather drink lots of beer...it's hard to reach the level of drunkenness from beer that you can get from liquor.....why? because your body metabolizes alcohol at a certain rate...you can drink a lot more alcohol through wine or liquor than you can through beer...with beer its takes longer to drink 12oz and you have to piss more, and that forces you to slow down....and that is why i should stick to beer.


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Re: liquor is a horrible form of alcohol [Re: TameMe]
    #4867020 - 10/29/05 12:43 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I hate pretty much all alcohol, but liquor especially.  If I'm having mixed drinks and get drunk, it's only a matter of time before I'm pouring shots or just sipping out of the bottle. 

And I do really..."unthoughtful" things while smashed. 

Like for example...in the start of my then-boyfriends relationship (like 6 months in), I got super drunk and then gripped and fondled the cock of another guy in front of him.  (with him sitting beside me)

This happened once, almost four years ago now. 

If you think I deserve to be shot in the face for this action, then you are correct.  I don't know how my now-husband has forgiven me.  Probably because I've done all I can to show him how sorry I was for this ultimate betrayal.  I tried to kill myself shortly afterwards because the guilt was so intolerable.  Then, feeling guilty about putting my husband through my suicide attempt, I started drinking liquor again.  Which made me suicidal. 

Wow, what a trainwreck, right? 

That's how I operate. 

Anyway, after I took E, I stopped drinking.  I had the first opportunity in my life to SEE outside of myself, to KNOW what I was putting my darling, beautiful Kevin through. 

That E pill.  Funny how it's completely changed things. 

Nowadays, I try to turn down almost all alcohol I come across.  I don't like anything about it.  I really do almost always drink to "fit in."  Since fitting in is getting less important to me nowadays, I never feel the urge to drink. 

I was at a party a few weeks ago and there was a keg.  I had about three glasses of beer and was feeling nicely toasted, but sick.  I started toking blunts instead of drinking and over the night I witnessed a girl get totally smashed. 

It was not attractive. 

It was not hilarious. 

It was not enjoyable. 

Of course, SHE thought it was, like drunks are wont to do. 

After seeing that, I've been able to turn down alcohol even in the presence of my in-laws. 

My basic mindset now is...why drink if I can get high?  :tongue:

Sorry for the long post, but I realized I had the opportunity to be honest about something from my past (the jerking another guy's cock while drunk, thing).


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Re: liquor is a horrible form of alcohol [Re: MOTH]
    #4867060 - 10/29/05 01:01 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

nothing beats a nice glass of well aged single malt


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Re: liquor is a horrible form of alcohol [Re: goobler]
    #4867087 - 10/29/05 01:12 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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nothing beats a nice glass of well aged single malt




Can't argue with you there.

I actually have somewhat of a drinking problem myself.. I'll pretty much down anything I get my hands on with no regard.
Lucky I get non-violent when I'm drunk though. For some weird reason I seem to get stimulated and I like doing work and stuff.
When it comes to vodka and hard stuff, I can drink it pretty much like its water these days - not that I'm proud of that.
My family has a long line of alcoholism, just about everyone drinks hardcore. That's surely no excuse though.


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Re: liquor is a horrible form of alcohol [Re: eris]
    #4867110 - 10/29/05 01:21 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I think the key is just to keep an eye on it all and know your own personal limits. It's not so healthy to be drinking so much every day...but if you can manage it without getting violent, harming others (emotionally, too, especially your family), or any of the other "nasty" stuff usually associated with alcoholism then it's your personal choice and I don't see anything horribly wrong with it.

Just keep an eye on yourself. Know when you've crossed the line.


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Re: liquor is a horrible form of alcohol [Re: MOTH]
    #4867550 - 10/29/05 04:13 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

"I was at a party a few weeks ago and there was a keg. I had about three glasses of beer and was feeling nicely toasted, but sick. I started toking blunts instead of drinking and over the night I witnessed a girl get totally smashed."

was that my b-day? Who was it? I don't remember shit from that party.


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Re: liquor is a horrible form of alcohol [Re: Dreamer987]
    #4868856 - 10/29/05 11:29 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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"I was at a party a few weeks ago and there was a keg. I had about three glasses of beer and was feeling nicely toasted, but sick. I started toking blunts instead of drinking and over the night I witnessed a girl get totally smashed."

was that my b-day? Who was it? I don't remember shit from that party.




Yes, that was your party. I don't remember the girls name. Awesome party...there was some sort of weird energy going on during some spots.


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Re: liquor is a horrible form of alcohol [Re: MOTH]
    #4886964 - 11/03/05 02:20 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Liquor isn't horrible. It's only horrible in combination with beer and weed... That combination is sure to set you out of business for a few hours lol...

Drinking liquor does make me do some stupid things lol like the one in the pub of me setting that big fire and the cops came in lol... Well whatever... Shit Happens..


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Re: liquor is a horrible form of alcohol [Re: TameMe]
    #4888341 - 11/03/05 11:35 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

You are an alcoholic. You don't know when to say when.

Thinking brown liqour is worse than clear liquor and so forth is you trying to rationalize your addiction. If you don't know when to cut yourself off(and most don't), then avoid it by all means.

I recommend you avoid alcohol altogether for a month or so. Think about what you are doing to your body and what you may do to others in your states of stupidity. It's probably not worth it.

Also, if you are/were mixing weed into the equation, then stop that. I know a lot of people that can drink 6-8 beers without smoking and be OK, but as soon as they get some smoke in them they're falling all over and whatnot.

Good luck.


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