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OfflineAdamist
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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ArCh_TemPlaR]
    #486871 - 12/11/01 01:24 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Those needing proof refuse to see it.


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Adamist]
    #486895 - 12/11/01 01:48 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

This is why I tend to stick to just explaining things rather than going out of my way to show the thousands of avenues of proof that exist for those who seek it. Those who demand proof do not even consider the proof as valid since they don't believe it in the first place...therefore give a shit I do not. If you don't believe in something I'm not going to try and change your mind.
I'm going to stick with the method I know best, those who believe can join in the fun, and fuck all the naysayers!

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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #486938 - 12/11/01 02:45 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Humans have always stood in awe of Crop Circles as you can be assured this is not the first era where they have been prevalent. They speak to the subconscious, which sees the patterns and senses their meaning, and the conscious hasn't a clue. What is their meaning? Crop Circles are telling you, in a universal language, of coming events, and we are speaking here not only of physical events, such as the pending pole shift, but spiritual as well. In the past these simple but eloquent messages were left, with increasing frequency and urgency, leading up to the shift. This time, because of the Transformation, there is more than one message to relay. What are these messages, and why not simply speak them, or leave written word? Well, of course contactees are receiving these messages, face- to-face, but what about the rest of the world. Crops Circle creation is managed by a group of aliens that cannot participate in the Earth's Transformation in any other manner, as they are a life form that lives in the water, and thus their ships are filled with the atmosphere that they breath - water. Thus, this is how they serve.

Observers have noted that Crop Circles seem to appear almost instantaneously. They blink, and then notice that something is different in the vista before them. By what process is this accomplished? If space ships are landing and impressing the ground, then the time seems too short. If rays of energy or a force field are involved, all this passes the notice of the observers. Crop Circle creation does not require a landed ship or physical force. The grain lies flat because the structure of the stems has been altered, one side of the stem rapidly growing in a process the reverse of what occurs when growing plants bend toward the light. This growth spurt occurs low to the ground, the particular ray, like laser surgery, focused there. The swirls are created due to the circular motion of the affecting ray, which circles like the hand of a clock, dropping the grain stalks such that they fall almost simultaneously.

Are Crop Circles more effective than words? Absolutely. They register in many parts of the brain, and tell the story with greater depth. A picture is worth a thousand words. Symbols are used to relay astronomical occurrences, effects of one planetary body on another, motion and direction, pace, change, and for those who have sensed their meaning, they also relay ratios and relative force. Stand before these pictures and let your subconscious speak to you, and see the forest and the sky, rather than the trees. Are not the patterns being presented in increasing complexity, in step with your Earth's internal response to her approaching brother? Crop Circles began with a simple circle, stating that the Earth is unruffled in her orbit. Then dual circles and rings, relaying the approaching interaction between the Earth and her brother, the 12th Planet. The rings, of course, are the influence of gravitational pull, increasing. Long lines connecting circles - does the 12th Planet, acting as a comet, not have an approach? Peripheral circles - the other planets in your Solar System, or in the wider system that comprises the 12th Planet's journey.

And what of the Scorpion Tail, the connected and curving series of dots? Does not the comet travel with an entourage of minor moons? As the giant comet dominates with its gravitational field, the moons are not pulled into conflict regarding their place. They trail after their traveling master, like little ducklings in a row. Would not the 12th Planet's moons circle, as do moons humans are familiar with? Where the orbiting motion of moons is assumed to be due to a balance between the centrifugal force of the moon and attraction to the home planet, there are other variables. The orbiting moons are in motion because they are reaching for the Sun and other planets, like a twirling dancer forever undecided on a partner.

The helix, misinterpreted by many to be a DNA strand, is a pictorial representation of the Earth's rotation and the manner in which it begins to align with the rotation of the approaching 12th Planet. As we have explained, the Earth's rotation is caused by the motion of elements in the Earth's core attempting to escape or approach influences in the wider solar system. The Earth's rotation is already slowing, a fact noted by your scientists and various excuses already published in the media. To those who would disbelieve that the 12th Planet's influence could be that strong from afar, we point to the delicacy of many matters in nature. The Earth's normal rotation is a careful balance taking into account all the factors in the solar system and beyond. It takes but a feather to trip the scales when they are perfectly balanced, and the 12th Planet's influence on the Earth from afar acts in this manner.

The ball of overlapping circles, all touching an inner circle, is meant to convey a new phenomenon occurring on Earth, preparing those who see it for the manifestation of this phenomenon. The Earth's magnetic field currently curves far out in space, so that on the surface of the Earth a compass almost always points north. Increasingly, as the Earth's swirling core is pushed to line up in opposition to the magnetic field of the approaching 12th Planet, it will send out minor magnetic fields that do not point due north, but wrap back into the Earth in the manner portrayed by the overlapping circles.

Crop Circles present an opportunity to understand, at a glance, the decade ahead. As the pole shift approaches, they will present an accurate weather prediction, a guide to family affairs, a time table for settling matters and preparing for the future, the truest touch stone that mankind will be given. Visit them often, if only in picture form, and let the message soak in.

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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #486958 - 12/11/01 03:02 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

In reply to:

This is why I tend to stick to just explaining things rather than going out of my way to show the thousands of avenues of proof that exist for those who seek it. Those who demand proof do not even consider the proof as valid since they don't believe it in the first place...therefore give a shit I do not. If you don't believe in something I'm not going to try and change your mind.





You will find, as the awakening to galactic consciousness proceeds over the next few years, that the demand for proof of our existence will increase rather than decrease. You will also find, in line with what you have already experienced, that there will be no amount of proof that will satisfy these demands. Proof stands before the world today. Crop circles and their residual impact on soil and vegetation, mass sightings, disappearing pregnancies. When one gets into the game of proof, one is speaking to the wrong people. Do you have any doubts about the extent that people in denial will go to? Speak to people accused of horrific crimes against their loved ones. It didn?t happen. It most certainly wasn?t them. Homo Sapiens, as with most intelligent species, has the capacity to argue against unpleasant facts. As the unpleasant nature of these facts increases, so do the arguments.

Have you heard the argument that the majority of a teacher, or parent, or manager?s time is spent on the troublesome? This is certainly true of the efforts of the police, who are a corps only because of the troublesome. The troublesome are few, but receive almost all the attention. We take a different approach in our contacts with humans. We ignore the troublesome, as they make their own bed, spiritually speaking, and must lie in it. In addition, the troublesome don?t hinder our efforts. We are beyond their reach. We communicate with those who will make a difference, who are either currently dedicating their lives to worthwhile efforts or will presently do so. We direct our efforts to those who share our goals.

Of course, if we were to give humanity absolute proof, there would be repercussions. It is rather deliberate that the press of information that you are not alone as intelligent creatures in God's universe is very gradual. It is not by accident that toys, TV shows, and everyday conversation in the workplace talk about aliens and have alien figures, and that this is casually accepted without fear. This is because this has been slowly interjected. Were there to be aliens marching down the street or appearing on TV next to the President of the United States, there would be heart attacks, there would be savage attacks most certainly against those individuals who are contactees. They would be torched, shot, or stoned as Pat Robinson has suggested, and it would not be a good scene.

Be advised that the rules in place guiding our contact do not allow us to dance in the skies at your command. They do not allow us to manipulate your reality so that you can claim confirmation of our existence. You need not look far for proof of these statements. It is common knowledge that photos and videos that would be too staunch in their veracity simply do not develop. Likewise, the only physical evidence of alien biological existence or technology is in the hands of your government and other governments in alliance with your government on the alien issue. If this seems to you to be a double standard, it is. How the Transformation and the Awakening is happening on your Earth has been very carefully thought through, and there are definite rules to abide by.

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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #487211 - 12/11/01 09:36 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

...and fuck all the naysayers!

Is this an example of the Cosmic Love and Oneness that you have been espousing?



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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Adamist]
    #487218 - 12/11/01 09:45 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Those needing proof refuse to see it.

What is so all-fired horrible about doubt? Should I just give Ms. Cleo my credit card at $3.99 per minute or should I check her out first?

Do you walk through the bad parts of town at midnight or do you doubt your safety?

When you go in for an operation, is it wrong to ask for a doctor's certification?

When a Boiler Room "stock broker" calls you with a hot tip, to you immediately invest? Or perhaps do some research?

Why do Crop Circles escape normal thinking? I have done the research with no preconceived notions and found the data to be lacking in substance.

Doubt and suspicion are protective measurements to keep us from getting hurt.

"Blind faith will only serve to make you blind" - Swami


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Silent_One]
    #487464 - 12/11/01 01:50 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Wow...thank you.. that's exactly what I needed

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InvisibleStonerwitch
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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Swami]
    #487515 - 12/11/01 02:43 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

A lot of discussion here...that is good.

I'm too tired to response or clear out every issue here but I'll go through couple of points as they somehow relate to my studies/work/hobbies:

These are some of the things Mr. Shroomism claims:



This 915 foot fractal spiral formation appeared next to Stonehenge in Wiltshire on the 7th of July, 1996, and consisted of 151 circles. Amazingly, the formation appeared within a half hour time window as a pilot flew over the field at 5:30pm and saw nothing, and when he returned at 6:00pm, it had appeared. A hoaxing competition held in 1992 showed that a formation of this complexity could not be created by humans in such a short space of time.

This proofs nothing. Having a gliding license myself, I know how easy it is NOT to notice things on the ground. The airspace over England is rather busy hence keeping the pilot well occupied during the flight, not mentioning the instruments, radio beacons etc. that have to be under a constant observation. Also, if the pilot was "flying by his ass" i.e. without instruments, it is very easy deviate from the flight path. Even a slight deviation could hide objects on the ground, depending on the altitude (which should be ALWAYS included in this kind of claims, it's basic information)



There are plenty of crop formations in the US, they are just never available to the media. On one occassion a farmer in upper new york noticed a crop formation in his field and called the news to tell them of it...within minutes a police officer showed up and offered him a thousand dollars to cut it down, which he accepted. Incidents similar to this have happened God knows how many times, since the US government is hell bent on hiding this type of thing from their public's virgin eyes. They are quite common in Canada as well, where they are not so repressed.
In England they love this stuff, people show up at crop circles to go inside it, news choppers show up to take pictures, and even the cops join in the fray. So my guess would be that 90% of the circles that are reported or shown to the public are in England because they do not try to cover it up at all.

What is the source of information on this incident? If you base the lack of crop circles in US on that, well good for you... The COMMON opinion in science community is that the crop circle-thing is hoax. The governmental opinion on scientifical issues in any country is based on the COMMON opinion of the science community. There is nothing to "cover-up". Therefore, the way officials feel about this, has nothing to do with a cover up, not in England not in US.



Physical changes of plants and soil - not only does the physical appearance of seem to change (it looks dehydrated), but there is change at the molecular level. Research has been conducted over a ten year period with samples and thorough laboratory testing carried out by the biophysicist Dr. Levengood, Nancy Talbott, and John Burks -- the BLT Research Team, and a small army of volunteers worldwide. Their findings include enlarged cell walls, expulsion cavities in the nodes of the plant stalks, significantly extended node lengths, and changes to the soil composition (ie. vastly higher level of magnetite concentration) from samples taken within the crop formations in contrast to the control samples taken from outside the circles.

"a small army of volunteers worldwide" says it all. I would be more confident if I'd see, say, a final thesis made in some approved university with internationally knowledgable opponents.
However, I'm not disproving this claim straight handedly. I'm also quite sure that YOUR knowledge on molecular biology is on somewhat popular level so I'd suggest you wouldn't try to persuade Shroomers here according your beliefs with you jargon as they (most of us that is) have no way to ingest that kind of data although it may look fancy.
You're way out of your waters here son.

(of the record: magnetite (Fe2O4) is a rock, it appears in point-like sources and due to it compunds it has heavy molecular weight which, even if it was in powder form, makes it highly insoluble, i.e. immobile. Why should the soil samples be the same outside and inside the circle? Where in the hell you found this crap anyway? As I said, you're way out of your league here...)



Where do they appear? They have appeared on almost every continent and in over 70 countries worldwide -- including the US, Canada, Australia, Brasil, Russia, India, Germany, and Italy. There seems to be a correlation with many forming near ancient sites.

Internet is a wonderful thing. It spreads out information faster than anything else.
Five years ago when crop circles was a "hot topic", crop circles started to appear in my desolate and beloved home country Finland. They were all hoax.




Formations occur inside restricted areas - numerous accounts of crop circles appearing inside military installations that are fenced off (quite securely!) from the surrounding area. Most noteably in Wiltshire along the Salisbury Plain. Are Doug and Dave in the Army?

Someone here commented this already. I've been in the army as well. You could have landed a helicopter at our "fenced off" military installation during the night and no-one would have noticed a thing. The MP's and guards are usually too busy watching porn. Or too pissed-off to care.
I understand that for a civilian person the "military installations" can be a fascinating target and many legends are related to these. Especially security issues. Well, hear this, they are wildly EXAGGERATED. If you want to get to the area, you can get to the area, simply as that.




Geophysical features - One common denominator of many of the crop formations is that they occur over underground water supplies and land situated above chalk beds, according to researcher Steve Page. Water is a good conductor of electrical current, and could possibly be channeling the electromagnetic currents of the Earth (which is what dowsers attempt to detect). This observation may have something to do with how some crop circles are formed.

You mentioned earlier (or copy-pasted it somewhere) that under crop circles the ground water levels show dramatic decrease. Well, ground water issues are up my alley as I'm partly working with them.
There is very little data on annual ground water levels changes on specific areas in England. Mostly studies are consentrated on ground water quality.
Also, ground water excists almost everywhere on British soil. Witout a doubt, somekind of water saturated zone excists under every crop circle in England. It is very difficult to say whether this is real ground water or so called "fake ground water", which mostly originates from precipitation "cought" in lime- or dense soil pockets.

Anyway, this claim of yours is the most convincing one. If we for a while imagine that the crop circles are not faked, there could be a relation. This could be a good subject of an independent scientific studies.




Sacred geometry - Researchers have discovered layers within layers of information contained in the crop circles themselves. There are sacred ratios, such as phi, that governs the growth process of all organic life. This is an area that requires more attention and resources, as perhaps this understanding could reveal a message or at least "higher intelligence" behind these artistic patterns.

Someone has done intensive research. Your point doesn't proof anything.



Physical side effects - Many people mention having some sort of physical reaction (positive or negative) during and after a visit to a crop formation. Side effects range from nausea, headaches, dizziness, tingling sensations, pains amd giddiness... to getting literally knocked off their feet! Sometimes the effects are felt only after leaving the formation, such as sickness or disruption to the mentrual cycle, which could be affected by the surge of energies absorbed from within the formation.

It's also called mass-hysteria. Some people who are interested in this kind of phenomena are expecting something to happen once they enter the circle. As far as I see it, this claim of yours has no scientific value.



The 'spider's web' crop circle also encodes Hawkins' Fifth Theorem- part of a series of new mathematical theorems discovered in crop circles. These are based on the works of Euclid, yet these theorems are missing from Euclid's thirteen Treatises on Mathematics- the foundation of our system today. Additionally, this design is encoded with diatonic ratios- mathematical fractions fundamental to the music scale, and the chances of anyone hitting these by accident are one million to one.

It's not like someone gets an idea on the field about some mathematical shape that is then being imitated. Someone apparently knows his or hers mathematics well. If cropcircles are man made, it's not an act of impulsion but a long process of carefull planning.


Well, once again I'm sorry. I would so much like to believe that the crop circles are a sign for us by the mother nature or aliens etc., but unfortunately it's not so...
There could be a new kind of physical phenomena involved, a phenomena that has nothing to do supernatural entities however.

So far, I just find it so discusting that unaware people are being brainwashed with this kind of things. A lot of supposedly "scientific" information are tossed around, professors, doctors and researcher are involved. Everything is made to sound soo scientific. A normal John Doe has no way of knowing or understanding the origins of the information or sources or the physical nature of experiments conducted. That's the problem with many other things now days as well...

I rest my case.

-Stonerwitch


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Silent_One]
    #487536 - 12/11/01 03:06 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

You know, fuck that, I started reading about crop circles/fortune telling/other new age crap WANTING to believe it. There's just no reputable evidence supporting it. Everyone that says crop circles are real (whatever that means) is starting with the assumption that they are real, and then finding (or inventing) evidence which supports their theory. That's not the way true research is done.

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Re: Crop Circles [Re: spreadhead]
    #487557 - 12/11/01 03:21 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Yep, and the basic scientific truths are usually abandoned quickly as they cannot be fitted into the new "exciting" theory.

There are lot things yet to be discovered but for fucks sake lets' leave the aliens and lepricons out of this.
Now speculation is another thing, I like to speculate, but some people here are trying to masquerade their beliefs into (pseudo)science with their jargon. I hate when that happens. Personally, I take that as an insult.


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Stonerwitch]
    #487580 - 12/11/01 03:46 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

/me smiles and nods





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OfflineAdamist
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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Stonerwitch]
    #487641 - 12/11/01 04:27 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Doubt and suspicion dulls your sensitivity, and what you believe is recognized by the senses.

Be open to everything and judge for yourself, through your own experience, what is real and not real.

there are no facts, only interpretations.


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Adamist]
    #488532 - 12/12/01 10:34 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Hard facts are the things that make you breath and stand. You eat hard facts every morning and you sleep on hard facts during night. A fact is not a subjective thing.
Believing and living through your emotions and instincts is!

The world looks so pink when you're 19.


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Stonerwitch]
    #488623 - 12/12/01 11:53 AM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Please don't tell me how my world looks

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InvisibleStonerwitch
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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #488630 - 12/12/01 12:04 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Sorry, I wasn't referring to you, I was talking about young Stonerwitch.


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #488848 - 12/12/01 03:30 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the pics, they are truly amazing. Props go out to whoever created them(double props if any human could pull it off).

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Re: Crop Circles [Re: DankVudu]
    #489214 - 12/12/01 08:49 PM (22 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah! some awesome designs in this thread, i'd love to see some of these things for myself but so far i haven't heard of any showing up near me.

Sorry I have nothing constructive to say...i'm surprised that you guys still have the energy for these debates, but thanks for trying anyway. keep the pictures coming!

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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Traveller]
    #529077 - 01/23/02 12:38 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

The pictures just keep coming... it never ends













The madness never ends ..

... Muwahahahaha!

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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #529150 - 01/23/02 02:04 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

I see you are still on the "greater the volume, the more likely it is to be true" logical fallacy. This has been covered in depth on at least three occasions, but is one of your favorite weapons in a debate.

Yup. One man-made crop circle after another. Too bad not one gives us any information not previously available, nor holds up to any real scrutiny.

FYI - I saw a new movie poster that showed the Earth and some symbols that looked like crop cirlce designs. The heading was an ominous:" You have been warned!"

When that comes out you believers can really have a field day. *pun intended*


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Swami]
    #529173 - 01/23/02 02:22 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Quit jumping to conclusions.
I post the pictures because I like pictures. And people like them.
Thank you

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