Prajna said:

You should come over to cult more, man, your just the kind of voice that's needed there. 

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Thanks but i don't have enough expiriance to share really and since i can't grow for now i'm also not that interested in the process (i've learned what i had to and when i'll need to learn more i certenly know where and how to do it ) but belive me some day i'll join that part of this BB and do my best to help!

Prajna said:

You have some great ideas yourself, however I think that a "cracking down" by the mods might cause some backlash with the newer members.  This might cause the site to be looked at as "heavy handed", or "overmoderated" and put people off. 

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Prajna said:

You sound like someone that is involved with the wider entheogen community on the net, is this really a problem that no one has found a good solution to?  Just wondering how the other sites handle these kinds of problems...

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well... i haven't been around THAT much but i remember the cannabis.com BB having this exect problame and well... OverGrow has become a cesspool of BS (you have to waft through tons of stupid questions to extract some valubale knoledge)
a local forum i used to post in looks kinda like what the shroomery cult forum looks today after a split from just one forum (yeah the advanced guys have their own forum but there's no new discusstions apart from the grow logs) and the begginers forums are still pretty lame (but that's a smaller forum over all so...)

anyway you can observe it on any other larg BBs out there... noobs will be noobs wherever you clicky (not matter if it's cultivation related or any other type of skill... photographing/lucid dreaming/iRiver usage and so on...)
either you make it really clear that redundent questions will not be tolarated (and lose a few users... but maybe for the best) or you branch out (which ultimatly hurts the noobs... not always though... it really depends on the number of dedicated useres out there...) or you simply don't care and your forum is run to the grownd

of course all this is just my humble opinion... i would'nt dare call this facts...
after all the consept of BBs is pretty new and hopfully with time solutions will arise (or the shroomery will take over the world and teach the young some respect and wisdome    )

X24 said:

each and every member is important. both hippie chick and pranja have helped me incredible amounts without even knowing it. if hippie chick has sway on a mod, so be it. prajna you might wanna try bein sexy and gettin in good with a mod if you want that kinda clout. theres notthing you can do short of sounding like a baby about this. maybe work your way twords bein a mod and this thing your doin here isnt gonna get you to that position. good luck.

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Hey I resent that!  I'm plenty sexy!  errr...in a hairy sorta way...


What part of asking the mods to do their jobs correctly is being a baby though, threads should be closed because they have nothing to add, or because they have become nothing but flaming pits of anger, etc... 

When a thread is in the wrong forum it should be MOVED...

With that said.  I agree that my tirades on this issue have taken away from the original intent, and I hope it won't hurt my chances of having the ACTUAL meaning behind the thread read anyway...and indeed it HAS become drama.

I made my point though, and have dropped the matter, hopefully it won't happen again to someone less likely to speak up for themselves.

I can't believe I'm getting flamed for "questioning authority" here.

What the hell kind of drug forum is THIS!!??   

Boy, just when you thought there was something that we REALLY ALL could agree upon...

Thanks for reminding me of my sexiness though, I'm off to stare in the mirror now...bye!

Prajna said:

Edit: 

I am adding this in an effort to be taken more seriously in the case that some may follow this over from the original thread posted in cult forum, or that it might be read by an admin.   

I would just like to say that at the time of writing, I was rather upset but have cooled off, and while I don't regret any of the following, it should be understood that I am not normally this argumentative.

I would also implore the admins to *please* read the original thread that caused this to be posted here. 

I think that this was a flagrant abuse of power on Roadkills part, and a tragedy for an excellent thread that was filled with great input from the membership. 

At first reading it may seem like just another stupid argument but it is not.

Thank you,

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Original post:  http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=Forum2&Number=4861357&page=1&fpart=1


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My thread was locked for a bullshit reason AS I was posting to another member who ATTACKED me in my own thread and then cried about leaving the boards over an issue that she had no real opinion or constructive criticism on anyway.

I want to say My piece about it.

Below is what I WAS posting as the thread was locked, it has not been changed and I find it ironic that I predicted that any negative response I used to retaliate to her underhanded attack on me would cause the thread to be locked. 

I think that anyone who has half a brain can see that Hippies empty promises of leaving the boards was nothing more than a manipulative attempt to shut the thread down anyway.  How nice for her that this message board is a fucking popularity contest and not a place to share real ideas anyway. 

----------------------------------------------------------------------Well, I wasn't really going to respond, since you and I have already chatted , but I thought I'd like to clear up some of the confusion.

HippieChick said:

And here's my point. Now that this thread is running, everybody thinks it's cool to be a smart ass. Good job.

You know, if the cult forum isn't what you want, don't be a jerk, go to the advanced forum and stay there.

The cult forum is a starting place, like Kindergarten,lol. Kids don't start school in the third or fourth grade. You don't go to Kindergarten and expect them to be studying Einstein's Theory of Relativity . You've got kids learning finger painting, ABC's and how to count,lol. And not to eat Elmer's glue no matter how good it tastes.

Think about how far those kids would go if the Teacher told them how stupid they are and didn't encourage them. These questions are never going to stop. Like mentioned, not as long as vendors promote this one as potent, this one as visual and this one as a body high and so on and so on. Just leads to more confusion .

Peeps need to start somewhere. Since there's only the cult and advanced forum, where would you rather have them do it. Sure peeps could search a little more before posting, but even I don't like the search function and have never used it. You'll never be able to stop the endless , repetitive questions. Just as we've never been able to eliminate kindergarten. Peeps have to start somewhere. It only seems to be bothering those who have gained a little knowledge .

I think I'm going to delete all my posts and pics. If thats how peeps are going to act after gaining a little knowledge, I don't want to be any part of it.

That Peace,Love,Happiness and Harmony I use in my sig isn't just something I think is cute. It's my way of life. Even have it tattooed on my body,lol.

It's one thing to tell someone to search, it's another to be a rude smart ass.

Peace,Love,Happiness and Harmony.
Hippie Chick 

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This WOULD have been my response to that:


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Hippie did you even READ this thread?  If you did you wouldn't be saying things like -

"You know, if the cult forum isn't what you want, don't be a jerk, go to the advanced forum and stay there."

I specifically said in my very first post in this thread that I believe that there needs to be an intermediate forum, because I am not advanced enough for the advanced, and am sick of the crap that goes on here.





Here is the beginning of the confusion. When I said "you", I meant anyone checking out the forum. Like, if its not for you, search elsewhere. I didn't mean you directly. Sorry. If you recall, I wasn't replying to anything you said, just the link you posted, as that was your thread. And when I said don't be a jerk, I meant don't stick around just to insult peeps.



It think it is fairly well evidenced by this post that I am NOT the only one!  If people are being smartass's or pricks to other posters it is hardly my fault!  Don't insult my intelligence by blaming me for a problem that existed well before this post.





This problem has always existed. I'm not blaming you for it. It just seems, from my experience, that whenever it gets put in the spotlight, a kinda mob mentally takes over. If you look at the replys to the post that was mentioned in this thread, its pretty evident.http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4863743#Post4863743 As , I , myself fell victim to it once myself. I did apologize afterwards though. A thread like this was running, I read it and the next time I saw one of the annoying posts, I wasn't my usual polite self. Now, check out the replys to almost the same, asked 20 times a week question that wasn't mentioned.http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4864681#Post4864681 That's what I meant,lol, about the mob mentallity.



You know I am very happy that you are into the peace love and charity thing but, EVERYONE IS NOT YOU.  I opened this thread because I, and others feel exactly the SAME way that you do.  That this IS like kindergarden, and there needs to be something done about those of us who WISH to have someplace to graduate to.




This is the problem we are trying to solve. And the only problem I have is the treatment of some of the peeps NOT ready to move on.




No I wouldn't take a kindergerdener and throw him into university, that wouldn't make any sense.  But following your solution is like keeping him in kindergarden until he is 25...and that doesn't make much sense either...I mean C'mon...

This thread was not opened in an attempt to rally support for a gang of newbie bashers, it was opened to point out a problem that some of us have that is NOT being taken seriously.  It was opened so that POSITIVE, GOAL MINDED, CONSTRUCTIVE ACTION to a this problem could be addressed so that the bashing would STOP.  It was already a problem before this post!!

I take your comments as a personal attack on me and it is NOT appreciated. 




Once again, when I said you, I didn't mean "you" personally. And I'm self centered,lol. Everything's about you, just kidding. Sorry again. I think that simple misunderstanding was the whole problem .




If you are so self centered and weak-minded that you think that YOUR point is THE ONLY point that matters.  Then do what you keep threatening to do and take your finger-paints and go home...




I do agree about you with the problem. My only point has been, don't be rude or mean to peeps. If the hostillity continues, I will take my finger-paints and go home. Not far to go,lol.



There are probably people with "Fuck the world" tattooed on their body here too, and I think they deserve to be heard as much as you do.  You may be happy being a carefree waif who likes to turn her back on problems instead of meeting the challenge of actually DOING something about them...but thankfully I am not!

P.S - Don't you dare accuse other peoples actions on me, and don't call me a jerk!



Already addressed that.



Now with that said I fully expect one of the mods to run to your rescue and close this thread, and if that happens I will also take my finger paints and go home.  Because it's one thing to moderate a site and another entirely to craft it into a fascist state where any bit of  discussion cannot be tolerated. 



I'm a big girl. I can take care of myself,lol. 


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Is this all it takes to get your threads locked here, a little sniveling from another member.   

You can be lovey dovey to your buddies all you want Road, But DON'T do it on MY posts.   

I fully expect to be banned for THIS post because this seems to be the general consensus on this board...not to let people be heard when you don't like what they have to say...

But I would ask that I not be banned from viewing the other shroomery info.  I am still an avid cultivator and would like to go back to being a silent lurker. 

I don't think this is too much to ask...for those who have ACTUALLY read my posts, they know that for my short stay, I was a good contributer.

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I really don't think that's why Road closed it. He was just asking  me to not delete my stuff. I guess it's been more helpful to peeps then I thought. Your post had nothing to do with it. I've been a little upset over peeps treatment for a little while now. I didn't want your post closed. I wasn't aware of a problem between us till this thread. Again, sorry for the misunderstanding.

Again, sorry for the misunderstanding

Peace,Love,Happiness and Harmony.
Hippie Chick 

srgtm1a said:

The whole thing sounds like a big misunderstanding about the thread being locked or what you said.....I think it was all in the wording.
I hope that that is all settled and out of the way now.

But either way, we should get passed all of that and stick to the "cult forum split" discussion.

ge the topic of the thread to "cult forum split" instead of "unfair moderation" since that is the bulk of what is being talked about, and the initial reason for your first thread.

we are not going to get very far if half the thread is suggestions, and the other half is accusations and fighting.

You, hippiechick, and Roadkill are all good people, so let's just forget about all of that, and stick to what is important here.

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shirley knott said:

okay, wanna start over?

how about a new thread in this forum, with respect from all sides, and we'll see what people think and want. 

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Sounds good to me. 

But I would ask...is there any way to take all of the pertinent info from this thread and move only those to a new threads?  There are some good ideas in this thread and I would hate to see them lost.

If that's not possible then no biggie, do whatever you think is best with it Shirl. 

And could you open and name the new thread?  I just don't know what would be the best title.  Thanks

shirley knott said:

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Anno said:

I don't exactly see how a beginner forum will help combat the laziness of certain individuals.

By creating a beginner forum you only encourage the laziness.

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I agree with this.

I have been thinking this over long and hard - I thought the idea of having a cetain number of posts was a good one. Or, for example, people could have a compulsory grow log before being able to post in the intermediates forum. Even though lots of people havent got access to a digital camera, a written grow log would at least give them, or more importantly - prove to everyone, that they have enough skill to post in the intermediate forum.

But, the fact of it is, who is going to answer the beginners questions? Other beginners? Who is going to moderate the beginners forum? And what, other than answering questions, can we talk about in the cultivation forum that isnt actually anything in between beginners cultivation and advanced cultivation?

Yes, it is a fact that there are lots of stupid questions asked in the cult forum. If you read a stupid question - utilise the back button on your browser. If someone is serious about cultivating, and no one answers their question, then they will go and find out for themselves. If they arent serious about cultivating, and are looking for an easy way out, they'll give up quickly.

It doesnt take long to work out who is worth discussing this hobby with on these forums. My suggestion is making your own decision on who that is - and mixing with those people. If you feel like helping out some newbs, do it. If not, don't. 

Prajna said:

Following your logic the librarians are saying -

"Hey man, It's your job to go through the pile, it's really very simple, just ignore the books that you don't like to find the ones you do"

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Prajna said:

Lets say that every book in that pile deals with cars, in some fashion or another, some cover topics like shampooing the interior, and others on how to rebuild a carb and yet others on the proper way to start a car. It is illogical to say that if I further refine the "car section" and put like topics together, that it will NOT be less frustrating for the visitors, quite the opposite in fact...

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Prajna said:

Ask yourself that question otto, if you were able to find your own book more efficiently, would that keep you from helping the other book lookers?

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shirley knott said:

if you start a new thread in here, i'm sure it will get lots of interest.

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Very interestin'