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Secrite Service
    #4865000 - 10/28/05 08:20 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Hey guys, I'm just wondering if anyone has heard of anything like this.
I was listening to Clark Howard on the radio the other day and he said that all laserjet printers have some kind of technology inside that keeps track of all the pages that were ever printed from that printer. He said that only the secrite service has the tools to get this information. I personally this this claim is complete bullshit. I work for a HP warranty repair company and I take them apart down to the last screw and havn't seen anything.
Anyone know anything?  :doggystyle:


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Re: Secrite Service [Re: aries6796]
    #4865055 - 10/28/05 08:32 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Yes it is true, it was big news a week or two ago. The Electronic Frontier Foundation were the ones who made the discovery.

Basically in EVERY page ever printed by the printer, a collection of small yellow dots is added over the page. The pattern made by the dots appears to be used for tracking - the pattern on any given page will indicate the make, model, and serial number of the printer which printed it.

You could take as many printers apart as you want, you won't find anything suspect. It's in the printer code itself. I had not thought of this before learning of this news....but it is quite trivial to insert some code into the printer firmware or drivers and use it to print these dots.

Personally I suspect this is way larger than the few models and companies listed by the EFF. I suspect office copy machines and probably ANY print/copy equipment produced in the last 10-15 years could incorporate a tracking system similar to this most recent example.

HP printers were among the list of printers so far identified as having this "feature".

http://www.eff.org/news/archives/2005_10.php#004063


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Re: Secrite Service [Re: trendal]
    #4865100 - 10/28/05 08:43 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Thats pretty crazy. Thanks for the quick reply man!


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Re: Secrite Service [Re: aries6796]
    #4871116 - 10/30/05 02:47 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

holy shite


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Re: Secrite Service [Re: ZippoZ]
    #4871192 - 10/30/05 03:06 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I wonder if this is why the yellow ink always seems to be the first to go on some printers?


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Re: Secrite Service [Re: trendal]
    #4871413 - 10/30/05 04:05 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

wtf

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Re: Secrite Service [Re: Vvellum]
    #4872060 - 10/30/05 06:31 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I justed printed an all black page and used a mag glass and sure enough. Its very hard to catch though because they are single pixel.


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Re: Secrite Service [Re: ThePredator]
    #4872198 - 10/30/05 07:02 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Just don't print money with your printer.

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Re: Secrite Service [Re: Rustifer]
    #4878514 - 11/01/05 04:15 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

this isn't new technology. they did the same thing with typrewriters back in the day. every typewriter had some unique features in the letters so a lettter could be tracted to your machine.


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Re: Secrite Service [Re: iateshaggy]
    #4878794 - 11/01/05 08:48 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

> every typewriter had some unique features in the letters so a lettter could be tracted to your machine.

Actually, this example is quite a bit different... each typewriter would "wear" at a different rate which mean that each typewriter would leave a unique "print" that was created by the wear. The same thing happens with shoes and is how police can use shoeprints to uniquely identify the shoe the print came from. These are natural occurances of the article, not something extra being added by the manufacturer.


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Re: Secrite Service [Re: Seuss]
    #4878829 - 11/01/05 09:05 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I heard there was a system where the particular spacing between certain letters could be used to determine the make/model of a typewriter.


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Re: Secrite Service [Re: trendal]
    #4878911 - 11/01/05 09:37 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

What you state is true as well... but for isolating the exact typewriter that was used, the wear of the hammer(s) had to be looked at. This is a random occurance that just happens through use, not something that the manufacturer added to allow LEO to track typewritten letters.


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Re: Secrite Service [Re: Seuss]
    #4878926 - 11/01/05 09:40 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

i believe there were identifers like the way a g looped or if the bump on top of an a went strait up or flared out a bit.


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Re: Secrite Service [Re: iateshaggy]
    #4879076 - 11/01/05 10:28 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Related question: "What about non-color printers?"


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Re: Secrite Service [Re: badchad]
    #4879843 - 11/01/05 02:09 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

badchad said:
Related question: "What about non-color printers?"




Pwned the secret service.


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Re: Secrite Service [Re: iateshaggy]
    #4882534 - 11/02/05 04:05 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

> i believe there were identifers like the way a g looped or if the bump on top of an a went strait up or flared out a bit.

Those are what they (police) looked for to identify the typewritter... those defects (identifiers) were not added by the manufacterer on purpose.

> Related question: "What about non-color printers?"

I doubt the SS cares about something that can't print "real" looking money.


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Re: Secrite Service [Re: Seuss]
    #4890632 - 11/03/05 07:39 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

wow thats freaky


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Re: Secrite Service [Re: duster]
    #4891428 - 11/03/05 10:26 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I know a repairman who works on Ricoh copiers, and he confirmed this. The yellow dots are a fairly new development. However, for years Ricoh digital copiers have had the ability to recognize the pattern of a dollar bill and simply not print it.


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Re: Secrite Service [Re: supercollider]
    #4891980 - 11/03/05 11:53 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

what would it matter though? i mean, say i bought this printer with cash. and don't do any personal business with the computer..

what would it matter?! it's like another FOX news scare for the paranoid.

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Re: Secrite Service [Re: felix]
    #4966339 - 11/21/05 10:54 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

i thought this was debunked... maybe i'm thinking of a chip in keyboards to log everything you type?

either way, if they do this, they're bound to do much, much more.


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