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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: fapjack]
    #19570250 - 02/15/14 04:26 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: fapjack] * 1
    #19599043 - 02/21/14 12:41 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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I don't know why they would have had all the iso-LSD and lumo-LSD if they weren't doing the synths there.  Seems like something they would want to discard before they left.



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Its a lot, but one part I can tell you that often gets overlooked is how pickard claimed the lab was George Marquardt, and he was moving it for him (which was complete horse shit).  He was a fentanyl chemist that was also cooking in KS but got busted.  He had something to do with Clive Anderson if memory serves, and his friend almost dying is what lead to George Marquardt getting busted.
http://cjonline.com/indepth/missilesilos/stories/031303_kan_lsdtrial.shtml


http://www.freeleonardpickard.org/

Has most of his story.  Its pretty interesting, but they were all pieces of shit and are right where they belong.  My only hope is that at some point that dumb whore gets what's coming to her.






First of all, I have rewritten the wiki page on Clyde Apperson and William Leonard Pickard if you'd like to be updated on more facts of the case and I will gladly tell you what you'd like to know from the case. I've gone through just about all the court files and talk regularly with Pickard.

What most don't understand is Picaked produced 200-300g gram batches in 10-14 days and could put out 1 kg in ~5 weeks. After making a kilo, Pickard typically took a break from synths for a few months while the product was distributed. All precursors and the final product were always given on the front so everyone was constantly being paid back.

They were never synthesizing at the horizontal Atlas E Wamego base. There was a vertical style base aka Atlas F near Carniero, KS that skinner had control of. The lab was located at the Atlas F base from about March of 2000 - July of 2000 when Skinner moved it without Pickard or Apperson's permission. According to Skinner, Pickard and maybe even Apperson worked very hard from March-April trying to double or even triple production past what Pickard could already produce. This is Skinners explanation as to why all the equipment was still filthy with all the chemicals. Had they just cleaned their shit they might have been better off.

"90 pounds of LSD; 52 pounds of a byproduct of LSD; 214.5 pounds of a precursor substance of LSD; and almost 42 pounds of lysergic acid," DEA chemist Timothy McKibben testified during the case. Also McKibben goes on to say, "Reduced to 'LSD in pure form,' the LSD and its by-product chemicals at the Wamego site equaled 198.9 grams, or a little more than 7 ounces." The reason the government touted such high numbers for the lumi-LSD, the ISO-LSD, LSD, ergocristine and lysergic acid is because they included the weight of the glassware that they were contained in, I'll go into that below.

Another thing that's left out of most news articles is that throughout the course of the trial all cans of the precursor ergocristine were recovered and the total amount was 39.5 kilograms or 87.1 pounds. This roughly equates to 13 kilograms of useable lysergic acid for the manufacture of LSD. So again where they got the 214 lbs of precursor number, I have no idea.

Authorities actually found less than six ounces of LSD during the arrest though. Yet according to Pickard's defense, this estimation of weight was actually the weight of a detectable "mixture" of the chemical. "Mixture" here is a term of legal convenience, and according to critics, it is also a widely misleading term. According to the defense, in this case the DEA's "six ounces of ergot" includes the weight of a 5-ounce-plus glassware container.


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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: Kman1898]
    #19658362 - 03/06/14 09:15 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

this thread is amazing!!  SOO interesting.... 300g batches at a time?!?!  JESUS CHRIST.. I wonder how much they were selling bulk for to the people who distributed it.


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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: VapoRs] * 1
    #19658442 - 03/06/14 10:04 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Pickard was fronting kilos of LSD to his distributor for $2.97 million each. From 40 kilos of precursor one could make approximately 13 kilos of LSD or 129,740,000 100 ug doses. Selling at that price is 29.7 cents per 100 ug dose. He was making it for 3.33333 cents per 100 ug dose. That means 26.4 cents of shear profit per 100 ug dose. Since Pickard had 40 kilos of precursor and that could make 129,740,000 100ug hits at 26.4 cents means he would have profited ~$34 million.


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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: Kman1898]
    #19662461 - 03/07/14 10:16 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

HOLY CRAP.. i don't get it though... thats so much money... why didn't he just make 1-2 kilos and then get out of the business?  He could have retired with a couple million and a house down in the caribbean.


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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: VapoRs] * 1
    #19662560 - 03/07/14 11:05 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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HOLY CRAP.. i don't get it though... thats so much money... why didn't he just make 1-2 kilos and then get out of the business?  He could have retired with a couple million and a house down in the caribbean.



No that wouldn't have worked for him. Since he was fronted all his equipment and chemicals and whatnot he had to pay all that back first. Not to mention when he got paid it was never all at once. He fronted kilo of LSD for 2.97 million but he was not paid back all at once he'd get $100,00 here then 200,000 there. Then it had to be laundered then he could begin to payback his fronts and various people that worked for him. Such as Clyde Apperson whose setup cost of the lab was $100,000 and the takedown cost was $50,000.


Not to mention Pickard was a very flashy guy. He liked expensive stuff including constantly staying in pent house suites and things like that. He also had to pay for all of his schooling himself and allegedly used $240,000 to have Russian Nationals donate $120,000 each to UCLA's drug policy group on the condition that the "donation" go to opening a new position deputy director and suggesting Pickard for it.


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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: Learyfan]
    #19717639 - 03/19/14 11:17 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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fapjack, I think any busted LSD lab is going to make the papers.  Will it be a big story, is another story.  The example you gave is technically an LSD lab I guess.




I know I've mentioned this in this thread before. My only argument to this Learyfan is that there have been a few lab seizures of which there have never been newspaper articles. To get specific, the 1997 Bruce Young and Michael Acevedo, Burnt Ridge, Oregon lab. According to this link http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/states/newsrel/2003/sanfran112403.html this is thought to be the lab busted in "1996" that is supposedly associated with Pickard and Apperson. Actual trial evidence from the Pickard case revealed that said lab was busted in 1997 and that the decline in LSD testing decreased due to the seizure of Nick Sands lab, this Oregon lab and WLP's lab. http://cjonline.com/stories/022603/bre_lsdsilo.shtml. I don't believe they were associated to Pickard but the DEA claims it to be a Pickard lab nonetheless.

I would love to know more about this seizure and if in fact it was a complete lab among other details.


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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: Kman1898]
    #19719411 - 03/19/14 05:59 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Interesting.  But what makes you think the Bruce Young and Michael Acevedo lab didn't make the news?  Maybe you just haven't come across it yet.  Or if you're sure it didn't make the news, do you think the DEA shut up about it so that they could privately flip Young and Acevedo and use them to bring down Pickard and Apperson? 
















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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: Learyfan]
    #19719613 - 03/19/14 06:30 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Interesting stuff. thanks for sharing


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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: overstand]
    #19719844 - 03/19/14 07:05 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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There is more to this but anybody who has any knowledge knows to keep their mouth shut.



Of course there is more to this but the only reason to keep their mouths shut is if they're are still doing illegal things.  :stirthepot:  :paranoid:

If they are living the legit life, then I think they should be publishing memoirs and making movies . . . heck why not a tv series . . . Breaking Bad 2  :hairmetal:




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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: mastercultivator]
    #19719859 - 03/19/14 07:07 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

It may have made news... But it was the mid 90s when not everything hit the Internet.


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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: clorox]
    #19995919 - 05/16/14 05:59 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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http://livelifeknowingratherthannot.tumblr.com/post/51019180235/every-major-lsd-lab-in-history

This link is down. Can anyone who copied this info please post it here? TIA! And, yes, we want a copy of that grad paper here, too!


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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: Kman1898]
    #19996177 - 05/16/14 08:35 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

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1963 Bernard Roseman/Bernard Copley, the first underground producers of LSD.


1963-64 Douglas George, Hermosa Beach, California (the first acid Owsley ever tried came from him).


1964-65 Melissa Cargill. "the Green Factory," (she was a trained chemist who taught Owsley how to make it).


1965-67 David Mantell (he worked with Nick Sand in the Bell Perfume Labs #2. In the earlier Bell Perfume #1 lab, Nick Sand made mescaline, DET and, reportedly, a bathtub full of DMT, which is Nick's favorite psychedelic). Mantell was also involved with Nick in at least 2 other labs in St. Louis and Craig, Colorado.


1966 Tim Scully Port Richmond, Denver (1967) and the Windsor(1968-1969) labs.


1967, Don Douglas (worked with Scully and Owsley in the Denver lab #1)


1967, John McClendon, New York.


Late 60's, Eric Ghost. Mark Mccloud knows a lot about this guy including that he was the original blotter paper distributor.


1967 Augustus Stanley Owsley: Los Angeles (1965), Port. Richmond, California (1966) and Denver (1967).


1968–1969 the Windsor, California lab of Nick Sand and 1972 labs in St Louis and Fenton, Missouri. Nick Sand was also busted in the early 90's with a lab but they couldn't properly ID him so he escaped when out on bail. Busted again in 1996 in a lab in British Colombia.


1968 Stuart Lyman, Chicago.


1968 Zachary Lillard, Vallejo, California. (he ended up in prison for killing a cop)


1968 Rory Condon and Ruth Pahkala (worked with Scully in his Denver lab #2)


1968 Lester Friedman (never convicted but worked with Scully and Sand)


1968-1990 Tord Svenson ran labs in Paris, Europe, Arizona and New Mexico.


1968-1980's Denis Kelly: Clearlight system


1970's Richard Kemp, Operation Julie


1970's Andy Munro, Operation Julie


1971 Barry Orlando (worked with William Weeks in the Hopland lab)


1970-1980 William Weeks (never caught)


1977 Michael Lewis Green, Harbor City lab (Bio-Dyne Industries) ... this is a very, very weird case. From 1969 to 1974 70 kilograms of ergotamine tartrate was used.


1977 Richard Barth Sanders & Denise La Fleur, Wappinger Falls, New York.


1977 John Buettner-Janusch lab at NYU.


1978 Wylie, Perluss, and Bachrach (although it was never proven they ever made it, much less had a lab.) Their lab was sold to Kevin Gillian


1980 Kevin Gillan


1980's, Gary Walter Dash sentenced in 1987 to 30 years for manufacture of LSD.


1960's-1985 Paul Stepak/Bernard N Hassall, San Francisco, California


1988 William Leonard Pickard labs in Mountain View, California, Aspen, Colorado (1996), Santa Fe, New Mexico (1997-1999) and Ellsworth, Kansas (2000)


1997 Bruce Young and Michael Acevedo, Burnt Ridge, Oregon


2000 Clyde Apperson lab in Ellsworth, Kansas with William Leonard Pickard.


2004 Casey Hardison had a lab in the U.K.


2005 Jeffrey Viola (Probably not the chemist)


2005 Donald Dean Shackelford


And, there were actually a LOT more labs than this, many of them are unidentified. They were ALL OVER the place.




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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: Kman1898]
    #20108144 - 06/10/14 05:05 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: StanKlein]
    #20108357 - 06/10/14 07:41 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

You sure he's connected to the meth lab?  It only says marijuana on that locator screen shot.

















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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: Learyfan]
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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: Kman1898]
    #20109566 - 06/10/14 01:49 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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HOLY CRAP.. i don't get it though... thats so much money... why didn't he just make 1-2 kilos and then get out of the business?  He could have retired with a couple million and a house down in the caribbean.



No that wouldn't have worked for him. Since he was fronted all his equipment and chemicals and whatnot he had to pay all that back first. Not to mention when he got paid it was never all at once. He fronted kilo of LSD for 2.97 million but he was not paid back all at once he'd get $100,00 here then 200,000 there. Then it had to be laundered then he could begin to payback his fronts and various people that worked for him. Such as Clyde Apperson whose setup cost of the lab was $100,000 and the takedown cost was $50,000.


Not to mention Pickard was a very flashy guy. He liked expensive stuff including constantly staying in pent house suites and things like that. He also had to pay for all of his schooling himself and allegedly used $240,000 to have Russian Nationals donate $120,000 each to UCLA's drug policy group on the condition that the "donation" go to opening a new position deputy director and suggesting Pickard for it.



Don't forget about Skinner spending all of Pickard's money rather than laundering it like he was paid to do.  This is why Skinner feared Pickard and ratted on him.  He feared retribution for his betrayal and struck first before Pickard could get to him, hence the informing which led to the bust.


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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: Learyfan]
    #20111214 - 06/10/14 09:00 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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You sure he's connected to the meth lab?  It only says marijuana on that locator screen shot.




The locator page shows possession for 3 different substances, plus manufacturing.

The 'meth lab' info was wrong, obviously -- the post URL is correct, but the headline was later changed to incorrectly reference meth. Still haven't heard what was found.


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    #20111425 - 06/10/14 09:52 PM (6 years, 4 months ago)

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faulty reporting, this article says LSD and ecstasy

http://www.contracostatimes.com/news/ci_25912497/drug-investigation-forces-closure-berkeley-street




:sad:  Oh no, this is terrible.  He's going to do some serious time since this is his second bust.  I hope they didn't catch him with many precursors and/or product. 

I wonder if he's been making LSD all these years since he was released in 1987. 


















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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: Learyfan]
    #20113305 - 06/11/14 10:05 AM (6 years, 4 months ago)

His third, at least, in this country.


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