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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: Learyfan]
    #19449350 - 01/20/14 09:24 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Its doubtful that he snitched...that seems like the right amount of time to do on such a case.  He probably is hiding out trying to lay low.


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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: filamentous]
    #19449817 - 01/20/14 11:04 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I'm sure he probably didn't.  I just have no idea what the right amount of time for over 10 grams is.  I guess it depends on if he had priors. 

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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: Learyfan]
    #19460093 - 01/23/14 12:21 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I know we mentioned it already but he was arrested once before and released in 2000.

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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: Kman1898]
    #19460141 - 01/23/14 12:32 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Also why does BOP say this!?!?!?!?

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No way he was released...he got life? How's there nothing on this?!


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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: Kman1898]
    #19460309 - 01/23/14 01:15 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

That's fuking weird, maybe he's in protective custody or something?

kind of off topic but

I also wondered how michael evron got released...

didn't farmers market get busted like in 2012? did michael evron (keysh) snitch?

I looked him up on BOP and he got released in late 2013


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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: sh4d0ws] * 1
    #19460399 - 01/23/14 01:41 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I dunno I am extremely curious now?!?!

Back to what I was talking about before here's an updated list of the LSD chemists that have been around throughout the years, regardless if they were arrested.

1963 Bernard Roseman/Bernard Copley, the first underground producers of LSD.

1963-64 Douglas George, Hermosa Beach, California (the first acid Owsley ever tried came from him).

1964-65 Melissa Cargill. "the Green Factory," (she was a trained chemist who taught Owsley how to make it).

1965-67 David Mantell (he worked with Nick Sand in the Bell Perfume Labs #2. In the earlier Bell Perfume #1 lab, Nick Sand made mescaline, DET and, reportedly, a bathtub full of DMT, which is Nick's favorite psychedelic). Mantell was also involved with Nick in at least 2 other labs in St. Louis and Craig, Colorado.

1966 Tim Scully Port Richmond, Denver (1967) and the Windsor(1968-1969) labs.

1967, Don Douglas (worked with Scully and Owsley in the Denver lab #1)

1967, John McClendon, New York.

1967 Augustus Stanley Owsley: Los Angeles (1965), Port. Richmond, California (1966) and Denver (1967).

1968–1969 the Windsor, California lab of Nick Sand and 1972 labs in St Louis and Fenton, Missouri. 1996 lab in British Colombia.

1968 Stuart Lyman, Chicago.

1968 Zachary Lillard, Vallejo, California. (he ended up in prison for killing a cop)

1968 Rory Condon and Ruth Pahkala (worked with Scully in his Denver lab #2)

1968 Lester Friedman (never convicted but worked with Scully and Sand)

1968-1990 Tord Svenson ran labs in Paris, Europe, Arizona and New Mexico.

1968-1980's Denis Kelly: Clearlight system

1970's Richard Kemp, Operation Julie

1970's Andy Munro, Operation Julie

1971 Barry Orlando (worked with William Weeks in the Hopland lab)

1970-1980 William Weeks (never caught)

1977 Michael Lewis Green, Harbor City lab (Bio-Dyne Industries) ... this is a very, very weird case. From 1969 to 1974 70 kilograms of ergotamine tartrate was used.

1977 Richard Barth Sanders & Denise La Fleur, Wappinger Falls, New York.

1977 John Buettner-Janusch lab at NYU.

1978 Wylie, Perluss, and Bachrach (although it was never proven they ever made it, much less had a lab.) Their lab was sold to Kevin Gillian

1980 Kevin Gillan

1960's-1985 Paul Stepak, San Francisco, California.

1988 William Leonard Pickard labs in Mountain View, California, Aspen, Colorado (1996), Santa Fe, New Mexico (1997-1999) and Ellsworth, Kansas (2000)

1997 Bruce Young and Michael Acevedo, Burnt Ridge, Oregon (I ASSUME THIS IS THE 3rd COMPLETE LSD LAB SEIZURE IN US HISTORY the DEA was referring to here http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/states/newsrel/2003/sanfran112403.html; but actual trial evidence revealed the lab was busted in 1997 http://cjonline.com/stories/022603/bre_lsdsilo.shtml. I believe they were associated to Pickard and that's hey the DEA claimed it a Pickard lab.

2000 Clyde Apperson lab in Ellsworth, Kansas with William Leonard Pickard.

2004 Casey Hardison had a lab in the U.K.

2005 Jeffrey Viola (Probably not the chemist)

2005 Donald Dean Shackelford

And, there were actually a LOT more labs than this, many of them are unidentified. They were ALL OVER the place.


Edited by Kman1898 (01/23/14 11:30 AM)


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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: Kman1898]
    #19461472 - 01/23/14 10:42 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Kman1898 thanks for putting that up there.  Do you have any better links to the Bruce Young and Michael Acevedo case.  Those links posted are down.  Michael Lewis Green used 70kg of ET...that must have been a serious flooded market at that time.


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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: filamentous]
    #19461632 - 01/23/14 11:31 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Evron from Farmers Market got bail during the trial. He was held up until that point because he was considered a "flight risk".

Skinner testified against Pickard for immunity so he was released from federal custody. He is instead doing prison at state-level for unrelated charges, hence why it says he was released.

EDIT:

you can see here he was transferred from federal to state custody around the same time, where he remains:
http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&doc_num=556865&offender_book_id=333665

he's doing time for the kidnapping of Brandon Green that Skinner and Neurosoup did.


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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: filamentous]
    #19461634 - 01/23/14 11:32 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Links have been fixed, sorry about that.


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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: Kman1898]
    #19465047 - 01/23/14 11:50 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

http://members.tripod.com/lysergia_2/psychedelia/index.blog/2327804/tim-scully-skyping-on-embryonic-lsd-manufacturing/

Tim Scully (of Owsley and Orange Sunshine legend) also skyped in with an excerpt from his ongoing research into the early days of black market LSD, and this reading contained highly useful material which included several details that I was unaware of, and which may in fact never have been documented before. I'll let Mr Scully present the full monty in his upcoming book and restrict myself to things that complement or correct my own pre-Owsleyan LSD research in the Psychedelia book. Thus...

Government made Eli-Lillys research industrial as a response to fears of LSD manufacture behind the Iron curtain. The government code name for LSD-25: EK 7029

Regarding "the two Bernards" who have been credited with the first ever underground LSD synthesis in 1963, Scully offered several pieces of vital data.
- Bernard Copley met the legendary LSD advocate/psychologist Oscar Janiger in the late '50s
- Bernard Roseman in turn met Copley in Joshua Tree circa 1957
- In 1958 Bernard Roseman brought with him a Dr James Grossman(?), an agriculture specialist from Philadelphia, to meet Copley--the three of them shared a peyote ceremony
- Copley & Roseman claimed to have made LSD as early as 1960 in a lab in LA where they lived at the time
- Scully refers to the "two Bernard" LSD as "impure" and "very impure" throughout
- When Copley and Roseman were arrested for selling bulk quantities of LSD, it was Myron Stolaroff who had tipped the FDA off, possibly on advise from Al Hubbard. I bring up the fact that Stolaroff's name occurs in the investigation in Psychedelia, but I did not have enough data to take it further. Scully does, however, and this casts a problematic light on Stolaroff's position and presumed service to the psychedelic field. I wonder if this old informer role is the reason why several people in recent decades have been eager to defend and exalt Stolaroff, even when he hasn't being accused of anything. I've always found this lauding of Stolaroff a mystery, not least since his book on psychedelic therapy struck me as unimpressive and almost counter-productive. It's not Stan Grof for sure.

Continuing the LSD history, Scully brings up a name that is unfamiliar to me: one Douglas George (?) in Los Angeles, who heard an early '60s lecture about LSD and how it was easy to make. He tried to synthesize LSD but failed repeatedly, until he was informed that the patent document he followed deliberately omitted a step.

After receiving the missing process instructions George manage to produce LSD . It wasn't very pure but he reasoned that since such small amounts were needed, there wouldn't be any toxic risks with the impurities. He had to triple the amount of his impure LSD to get the desired trip effect.

This occured in the Fall 1963 at Hermosa Beach, and so represents the second successful (more or less) underground LSD synthesis anywhere, preceded only by the two Bernards. Again, to my knowledge this is previously undocumented.

In late '63-64 word got around on Berkeley University, inspiring students to travel south and buy LSD from Douglas George. Among them was Owsley, who noticed the difference between George's LSD and industrial LSD, and figured he could make black market LSD that was as good as the industrial. Owsley was partly inspired by newspaper writings about the Copeman/Rosley trial.



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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: Kman1898] * 1
    #19465347 - 01/24/14 12:56 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Man Kman, you put together a really nice list there.  Where do you get your information from?  I've never heard of some of these guys and I'm very intrigued. 

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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: Learyfan]
    #19476599 - 01/26/14 02:35 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

From many correspondences with LSD researchers and chemists :smile: if you'd like to discuss further I don't mind :smile: it's only my passion to research the history behind it's manufacture.

Also another US based chemist that has been convicted was G. Walter Dash. He was sentenced to 30 years in 1987 for manufacture of LSD. He currently resides in the Atlanta pen where I will be writing him soon.


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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: Kman1898]
    #19489606 - 01/29/14 03:18 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

very interesting stuff.


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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: D.M.T]
    #19559668 - 02/13/14 01:00 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

D.M.T said:
Evron from Farmers Market got bail during the trial. He was held up until that point because he was considered a "flight risk".

Skinner testified against Pickard for immunity so he was released from federal custody. He is instead doing prison at state-level for unrelated charges, hence why it says he was released.

EDIT:

you can see here he was transferred from federal to state custody around the same time, where he remains:
http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&doc_num=556865&offender_book_id=333665

he's doing time for the kidnapping of Brandon Green that Skinner and Neurosoup did.




Nerosoup says she was also kidnapped... Dosent  say she kidnaped some one...

Btw op great read.
Thank you.


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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: Lucid Toast]
    #19560062 - 02/13/14 04:07 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Lucid Toast said:
Quote:

D.M.T said:
Evron from Farmers Market got bail during the trial. He was held up until that point because he was considered a "flight risk".

Skinner testified against Pickard for immunity so he was released from federal custody. He is instead doing prison at state-level for unrelated charges, hence why it says he was released.

EDIT:

you can see here he was transferred from federal to state custody around the same time, where he remains:
http://docapp065p.doc.state.ok.us/servlet/page?_pageid=394&_dad=portal30&_schema=PORTAL30&doc_num=556865&offender_book_id=333665

he's doing time for the kidnapping of Brandon Green that Skinner and Neurosoup did.




Nerosoup says she was also kidnapped... Dosent  say she kidnaped some one...

Btw op great read.
Thank you.



Neurosoup says a lot of things.  Most of those things are lies.  That is one of them.


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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: EastBayRay]
    #19560755 - 02/13/14 11:43 AM (6 years, 8 months ago)

See, here's what I don't understand....
Did they ever do any synths in the Atlas E silo or not?

I thought I read they didn't do any, but Krystal Cole makes it seems like she was around for all these synths...
That's not to say they don't have shit from previous ones, but I thought I understood that WLP wasn't around the silo for very long at all.


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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: shLong]
    #19560921 - 02/13/14 12:39 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

I don't know why they would have had all the iso-LSD and lumo-LSD if they weren't doing the synths there.  Seems like something they would want to discard before they left.


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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: fapjack]
    #19560981 - 02/13/14 12:56 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah.. I've read a lot of conflicting info about that case it seems.


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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: shLong]
    #19561933 - 02/13/14 04:46 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

That's some shit so what reall happened with skinner nerosoup and pickard?
It would be nice to have the all the real stories other than what's written... Winners wright the books.


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Re: St. Maarten LSD lab linked to US [Re: Lucid Toast]
    #19562215 - 02/13/14 06:07 PM (6 years, 8 months ago)

Its a lot, but one part I can tell you that often gets overlooked is how pickard claimed the lab was George Marquardt, and he was moving it for him (which was complete horse shit).  He was a fentanyl chemist that was also cooking in KS but got busted.  He had something to do with Clive Anderson if memory serves, and his friend almost dying is what lead to George Marquardt getting busted.
http://cjonline.com/indepth/missilesilos/stories/031303_kan_lsdtrial.shtml


http://www.freeleonardpickard.org/

Has most of his story.  Its pretty interesting, but they were all pieces of shit and are right where they belong.  My only hope is that at some point that dumb whore gets what's coming to her.


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