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Re: Now I've been ripped off too [Re: MicronMagick]
    #485675 - 12/10/01 03:56 AM (15 years, 1 day ago)

You have a strange concept of being ripped off!!! Seems to me you should be pleased... looks like free advertising to me. Might be a bit different if the name of the discs had been changed and the site was selling a fake MMFD. But if your really upset about the free advertising I'm sure the sites owner would pull the tek off his site for you.... Are you going to ask him to?



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Re: Now I've been ripped off too [Re: MicronMagick]
    #485909 - 12/10/01 01:38 PM (15 years, 1 day ago)

I admit the site is new, and I havent reasearched the owners business practices. If the site is as devious as you imply I can understand your reservations at being connected with it, however... in March of this year when you were contemplating selling your discs you said...

"Ok let me clear up a couple of things. I guess the is some confusion in "Micron Magic Disc", it's kinda like a trade name thing. IE some one else posts I'm using "Micron Magic Disc" people will know it came from NuShroomPharmerII."

I've been in business for myself for 25 yrs and I've found that even "bad" advertising can be an advantage at times. And if you are that concerned about your tek being on his site, I'm sure you could email the operator and have it removed... or at least your link made to work. You've developed a valuable product for the OMC and I applaud your efforts.

Just don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

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Re: Now I've been ripped off too [Re: MicronMagick]
    #486077 - 12/10/01 04:05 PM (15 years, 1 day ago)

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Take a look at the spores page and you'll see the company isn't much better then STP and I wouldn't want any free advertising from them either.




That's a bold statement. I fail to see the comparison. The selection and prices aren't anything to get excited about, but it's hardly comparable to STP.

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they used copyrighted material without paying any royalities




Don't make ME laugh! You want royalties for free advertisement?

Just contact the site admin and be a dick. "Your" material will probably be removed. Will that make you happy?


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Re: Now I've been ripped off too [Re: MicronMagick]
    #487134 - 12/11/01 09:29 AM (15 years, 14 hours ago)

i just recently discovered that site myself, and notice they have quite a few borrowed materials, including some from Mycotopia.
i'm wondering if they are legit, has anyone ordered from them, etc.


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Re: Now I've been ripped off too [Re: MicronMagick]
    #487844 - 12/11/01 09:19 PM (15 years, 2 hours ago)

I happen to know who that web site belongs too. I happen to be the owner of that web site, and I truly expected a little more professionalism from you. But to come in this forum and witness you slander my business is a very unprofessional thing to do. And above all, you are making statements that are not based on facts. But before I dive into that, let me clear up a few things.

I don?t deny the fact that we displayed your tek. But you are making a quite a few misrepresentation. First of all, your tek has not bee displayed for 3 months. In actuality it has be displayed for about 2 weeks. With full credit given to you. We never made any representation as to us being the author or the source of the tek. It was displayed as information purposes. with a link that pointed back to your web site. Hence, driving traffic to you. No financial gain was obtained displaying your tek. When you asked us to remove it, we did. But then you also said that we could just simply provide a link back to your web site pointing to the tek? On that note, nothing was stolen from you. Your statement saying "There seems to be a lot of these "fly by night" sort of companies running around ripping off peoples pictures, words and the whole 9 yards." is untrue. If you are going to make such statement, state the "all facts", not just the ones that work in your favor. As for reputation, that is truly a matter of opinion.
You also stated that "... Apparently the owner of kyambiagifts is trying to pass himself off as a wholesaler and has some posts in the wholesale newsgroups". Yes we have posts in the wholesale news group. Why? Because "Apparently" we operate 2 business (which are not affiliated with each other". A wholesaling business and a spore business. But you would never know that because you never asked! It truly disappoints me that as a professional person, you are willing to display such unprofessionalism.

You also say "I don't think people like him very much. He seems to be trying to break into the mushroom cult. community to peddle his wares." That is truly a matter of opinion. You and I are both here to do a great service to this community. And you are providing a great disservice by your unprofessional actions. It's obvious you like to stir up confusion. If you have and questions or concerns about what our web site, then address it to us. And if anything doesn't come out of it, then you can resort to more unprofessional means.

But before you criticize our business, you should asked us the nature of our business. When you do this, then you can make an intelligent decision to back you accusations. Not one based on ignorance. If you are willing to engage in intelligent dialogue. I'm open to that. But it's obvious that you like to engage in an unprofessional manner. I will not partake in your unprofessionalism. I would recommend against it because it only shows what your character and integrity is truly made of. Hence, customers will get a negative impression about your business due to the way you attack others.
If you choose to follow the road of ignorance by not speaking factual, slandering and attacking individuals and their businesses. Then you can not form an intelligent, well thought out argument. On that note, I will not entertain you any further by engaging in this dialogue. I refuse to walk down the road of ignorance you so humbly take.
This is not a personal attack on your business, I'm just pointing out a few facts about your actions. (If I had a problem with your business, I would address you directly. (I would not post it in a group with the assumptions that you probably will not read it). Your micron magic filter discs are a great thing. My turtle has used them in the past and would recommend it to anyone. But your actions are not very becoming. I don?t expect you to apologize for misstating a few facts (I understand that you must save face), but I do expect you to act in a more professional manner, as does everyone else here in this forum.

I'm assuming the statements you made here were made before you contacted me. So I truly have no ill feeling towards you. But if you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to contact me directly.

Respectfully
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    #487857 - 12/11/01 09:30 PM (15 years, 2 hours ago)

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Re: Now I've been ripped off too [Re: ]
    #487872 - 12/11/01 09:44 PM (15 years, 2 hours ago)

Its funny how you can always spot a dodgy vendor by the names they rename existing strains in a bid to make $$ :-)


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Re: Now I've been ripped off too [Re: ]
    #487878 - 12/11/01 09:47 PM (15 years, 1 hour ago)

I'm probably wrong, but I can't shake the feeling that I'm hearing McMan in this thread.

No offensie to anyone, I'm sure that it's just a simularity in wording.


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    #488221 - 12/12/01 02:57 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Now I've been ripped off too [Re: MicronMagick]
    #488236 - 12/12/01 03:14 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

>...my GF would leave me and she lets me sleep around with
>other women and is bi-sexual...

Interesting.


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Re: Now I've been ripped off too [Re: MicronMagick]
    #488403 - 12/12/01 09:32 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

In reply to:

I've seen kyambiagifts show up on all the major OMC websites and on alt.drugs.mushrooms. They swoop in on any thread where someone is complaining about a vendor to plug themselves and hype their site. I see them post more on the shroomery and Alt.drugs.mushrooms than anywhere else. I assumed the teks they had posted were done with the owner/writer's permission. On the main tek page of that site micronmagic.com is listed as a source for the tek and there is a link but it doesn't work. These fly by night outfits show up and think they can get rich off of newbies and sucking off other people's hard work. I would suggest that you do a search for kyambiagifts on google groups(formerly dejanews). You will get 3 or 4 pages of threads. Apparently the owner of kyambiagifts is trying to pass himself off as a wholesaler and has some posts in the wholesale newsgroups......I don't think people like him very much. He seems to be trying to break into the mushroom cult. community to peddle his wares.




I said that on forestfloor. I'm not a vendor. I'm not a regular member of this board. It was my opinion and my observation of Voice Of Reason's Business as a member of the OMC based on what I have seen of his posts here and on ADM.
Voice of Reason's response here sounds very familiar......
This is from Alt.Wholesale:
In reply to:


Message 7 in thread
From: The Voice Of Reason (ucantrezis@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Wholesale Supplier
Newsgroups: alt.wholesale
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Date: 2001-11-27 07:02:45 PST


I do not deny the fact the we utilize SMC as one of our suppliers. And I
also noticed that SMC is your only supplier. But the fact is we also import
and have direct relationship with many domestic and international
manufactures and factories. Some of our items include DVD players, kitchen
accessories, audio/video equipment, clothing, jewelry and computers just to
name a few... So again, I must say :

"Maybe you should inquire with the owners and ask them the nature of their
business.When you do this, then you can make an intelligent decision. Not
one based on ignorance. Just my two cents."

So when you are ready to engage in intelligent dialogue. I will be available
to answer any questions you may have. But if you want to assist in attacking
other business, then feel free to do so. But I would recommend against it
because it only shows what your character and integrity is truly made of.
Hence, customers will get a negative impression about your business due to
the way you attack others. Judging from your last email, you do not appear
to be well verse in standard business practices. Neither do you appear to
engage in facts. The fact is that you act upon assumptions Patricia. Had you
gathered the facts, I'm sure your last post would have had a different tone.

If you choose to follow the road of ignorance by not speaking factual,
slandering and attacking individuals and their businesses.Then you can not
form an intelligent, well thought out argument. On that note, I will not
entertain you any further by engaging in this dialogue. I refuse to walk
down the road of ignorance you so humbly take.

Well Patricia , I wish you the best of luck. I would only suggest
that you present yourself in a more professional manner. But if you would
like someone to mentor you on your business practices, feel free to ask
myself or anyone else in the this group.



The entire thread can be found at http://www.google.com/grphp?hl=en if you would like to see the portion I quoted within its whole context by doing a simple search.

I order from businesses online and before I do I try to research them and what other people have to say about them. I based my opinion on what I see and read. Its that simple. Sorry Voice of Reason but what I have seen of your posts and how you conduct yourself I don't think you come across as a vendor I would call reputable. Thats my opinion as a member of the OMC and the OMC's Vendors' potential customer base.



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    #488544 - 12/12/01 12:43 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Bill,excellent job on your part for tracking that thread down.


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    #488664 - 12/12/01 02:27 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

No biggie BoxTop but thanks. It just appears that this guy has a stock bag of catch phrases and a pre-defined strategy to try to divert people's attention away from him when someone points out his "unprofessionalism" or questions his professional ethics. I also don't like the fact that he thinks that we are so foolish/stupid as to fall for his line of BS. It not like he's the first to try this stuff....many of us have seen it before. Look at the guy.....he's trying to be a vendor in our community and he hasn't even begun to master the fine art of sock puppetry. Here's a clue....use a different name and e-mail address and don't use the same writing style and quote yourself verbatim. At least make a decent effort to pull the wool over my eyes.


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Re: Now I've been ripped off too [Re: MicronMagick]
    #488731 - 12/12/01 03:33 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

MicronMagick,
You swinger......now that sounds like a fun g/f :wink:

But seriously, what does God have to do with any of this. Did you really need to damn The Man ?


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Re: Now I've been ripped off too [Re: MicronMagick]
    #489694 - 12/13/01 12:27 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Micron Magic.... I just want to publicly apoligize for displaying your tek before receiving your consent. Upon your request, It has been removed and a link directing people to your web site to view the tek has been added. I'm truly sorry for any inconvience this may have caused you. When im wrong, Im wrong. And I was wrong for doing that.


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