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Anonymous

Crop Circles
    #484625 - 12/08/01 11:26 PM (22 years, 1 day ago)

Ok as requested lets discuss Crop Circles. I don't have the energy to go into a long winded lecture about them right now, and I'm sure you don't want to hear it. So I will cover a few major points.

~ Crop circles have been appearing in our fields since as early as the 1670s, according to our knowledge.

~Crop circles usually appear overnight, and some have been known to appear in under a minute.

~Hoaxers who claim they make crop circles are easily proven wrong. Fake Crop circles are readily distinguished from real ones.

~Most Crop circles have the grain bent at a 90 degree angle, 2 millimeters from the ground. The circles of the crops are usually bent in a spiral pattern, and in many circles the individual grains are intertwining with other grains in groups of three like a braid. If done by human hands this would take weeks.

~Real crop circles are perfect, there are no imperfect circles, or crooked lines, unless they are intended..and you can tell when they are intended.

~Crop circles have been shown to have mathematical truths built into their structure.

~Interestingly enough, these equations have been shown to be music when transferred to notes.

~Crop circles have trace amount of radiation where the crop is bent, the other areas are left uneffected.

Here are some pictures for your viewing pleasure.







Here are some links

Crop Circles, their meaning and connection with dreams

The history of Crop Circles

The noise room- Crop Circles of 1999

There's enough links in those sites to fill your brain for years. I'll see where this thread goes and respond to all questions. Brain isn't functioning at its highest level right now so I will end this.
Love and Light



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Anonymous

Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #484629 - 12/08/01 11:30 PM (22 years, 1 day ago)

thanks shroomish...

/me goes to read linked pages



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Anonymous

Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #484630 - 12/08/01 11:31 PM (22 years, 1 day ago)

Note that most of those pictures are taken from a helicopter...the crop circles in the pictures are well over 300 feet in diameter.


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #484634 - 12/08/01 11:35 PM (22 years, 1 day ago)

What of the post that I saw here a few months back....I don't recall who it was, maybe Swami....who noted that these crop circles never contain mathematical functions, formulas, or branches of mathematics that humans haven't discovered? I think he/she/whoever it was gave the example of Mandelbrot sets, and how after we discovered those, then they turned up....to me that is an indicator that crop circles aren't supernatural in origin. At least, it would be "consistent with", not "proof of" kind of indication.



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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #484635 - 12/08/01 11:37 PM (22 years, 1 day ago)

Shroomism I am getting pretty tired now too, so I will sign off for now.  I will read a lot on these links you provide, and will then get some sleep  :smile:.  I will reply tomorrow, and I hope we will have interesting conversations.



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Anonymous

Re: Crop Circles [Re: cantara]
    #484639 - 12/08/01 11:41 PM (22 years, 1 day ago)

How could you know that crop circles don't contain mathematical functions, formulas, or branches of mathematics that humans haven't discovered? If we haven't discovered them, would we recognize them?

I'm seriously asking, I am an idiot...


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #484704 - 12/09/01 12:57 AM (22 years, 1 day ago)

Here we go . . .

After the most famous crop circles were inspected by certified Cereologists and labeled the real deal, the kids who made them turned up with video evidence detailing step by step precisely how they did it. Cereologists generally can't even get within chance when it comes to identifying "real" crop circles. But I guess that makes sense, seeing as how they're all fake. It was a schoolboy prank gone horribly, horribly wrong.


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Anonymous

Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #484787 - 12/09/01 03:21 AM (22 years, 1 day ago)

Okay... for anyone that saw the tv show with the circlemakers, start here:
http://home.clara.net/lovely/crophoax_debrief.html


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Anonymous]
    #484999 - 12/09/01 12:13 PM (22 years, 1 day ago)

Well, I tried. If you want to keep believing in crop circles when there's a much, much simpler explanation, knock yourself out. But I seriously think you people don't have enough faith in what humans are capable of.


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Anonymous

Re: Crop Circles [Re: spreadhead]
    #485011 - 12/09/01 12:25 PM (22 years, 1 day ago)

Exactly where did I say I believed in crop circles? I don't remember saying anything either way... and when you say 'you people' I take it you are referring to the people with an open mind as opposed to people with a closed mind like yourself?


Edited by Smack31 (12/09/01 12:30 PM)


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Anonymous]
    #485109 - 12/09/01 02:03 PM (22 years, 1 day ago)

I have a very open mind. However, when you look at things like this, it's hard to believe that so many people can be fooled by a simple schoolboy prank. But it's obvious this board is not what I expected it to be, so I believe I'll just head on out.


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Anonymous

Re: Crop Circles [Re: spreadhead]
    #485124 - 12/09/01 02:29 PM (22 years, 1 day ago)

If you're going to attribute 10,000+ crop circles over the past ten years, most being extremely complex and covering over 500 feet of area..to schoolboy pranks then so be it. However I wouldn't consider that an open mind if you wont read any of the articles published or links included. Have you ever seen a crop circle from up close? Ever been inside one? Ever heard of one aside from what the media portrays? Some can be attributed to hoaxes, of course..but the fact that they take credit for all of them is nonsense. This is what is called debunking. In reality, no human can make a 300 foot wide intricate pattern outside of Barbury Castle at 4 in the afternoon with no one noticing in under 5 minutes. It's simply not possible.

Here is some text taken from the link Smack provided:

No hoaxed crop circle has ever produced the singlemost characteristic associated with the genuine phenomenon: plants whose stems are bent, not broken. Other anomalies include alteration in the crystalline structure of the plants themselves, also unfakable, and alterations of the local electromagnetic field There is the ability of the plants to grow after being laid, indicating they are alive and have not been trampled; possible alterations in soil chemical composition; distorted and more rapidly germinating seeds; and severe loss of groundwater, just to mention a few.

Some hard evidence that has surfaced comes from an article in The Southland Times which described the episode. Apparently the team and the TV production crew employed the services of two 40-ton cranes just to lift the lighting, to enable them to be filmed at night- and most importantly, allowing the hoaxers to work in perfect visibility. This action alone was reported to have attracted large crowds of fascinated viewers and the local police; again, an action impossible to get away with in England, where 90% of the world's crop circles appear.

The segment starts with some pretty aerial footage of crop circles- four real , two hoaxes (not that you were told). Then Judd gets serious:

"Researchers say there's no physical evidence of human construction."

This is half-truth number 1. Researchers will tell you traces of human involvement are not present in the genuine phenomenon. In hoaxes you will find post holes, disturbed soil where there previously had been post holes, and evidence of human construction because the plants are simply crushed to death, the soft soil is compacted in and around the area or footprints abound on top of flattened plants.

"that there's no disturbance of soil , nor footprints."

This is a lie. The soil in England is made of vicious, clinging mud which will leave footprints on it or the crop if you try and enter the area. At a conservative estimate, 66% of crop circles are made on rainy nights which makes signs of entry pretty easy to find. Secondly, the soil contains small, fragile chalk balls which disintegrate when lightly crushed between the fingers. These will be powdered in the event of people walking-in with planks.

"Researchers mention the enormous size of the patterns- that it is not possible to create such patterns in so little time."

The circle fakers in New Zealand said the challenge was to create a pattern rivaling the best of British in under four hours, the maximum amount of darkness in the English summer. Here they took over five and a half (and two days to survey and stake out- but you didn't hear this on TV). Their formation consisted of 108 circles. Compare this to the 196 circles of the Triple Julia at Windmill Hill, the 208 at the Star of Solomon, and the 148 of the Julia Set beside Stonehenge And it's not just the size, it's the features, the anomalies, and the use of natural spirals- just from the air a trained eye could see that the NZ hoax was made with flattening equipment. And despite the number of cirles in hoaxes, their sizes are far smaller than genuine crop circles.

"No one has ever been caught- until now'"

Suggesting that the event was caught by hidden cameras? Utter lie. The team was paid to do this for TV. They stayed for several days at a local hotel, with camera crew. There was a crowd of local people watching them work- even the farmer showed up to watch. And yes, the Wessex Skeptics team were once caught in the middle of a design in England, just as Team Satan would be in 1999 as they made another formation, this time in England, for the BBC (ironically they were caught in total darkness, and by another group of hoaxers).

Then NBC shows us the Olivers Castle video footage of a crop circle being made by balls of light. Here is the ultimate irony- this video WAS a hoax, the perpetrator was caught and criminal charges are being brought against him. NBC claims that this is what researchers say creates crop circles. Not so. The majority of honest and unbiased researchers exposed the video as an attempt at discrediting the community over a year ago. What they do say, which is based on eyewiyness accounts and genuine footage, is that incandescent balls of light and structured craft are present at crop circles events. We are still not sure what their association is.

"Another discovery is made as the sun rises over the crop."

Lie. There was no discovery. A discovery implies you stumbled upon it without prior knowledge. This was set up from the beginning.

"Made by unknown visitors."

Lie. Their names are Rod Dickinson, John Lundberg and Will Russell. It will say so on the production release sheet. The team is known in England and claims to have been active since 1994, a claim they cannot substantiate.

"The NZ newspaper report asked the standard questions."

Half-truth. They asked basic journalistic drivel. Inquiries to the newspaper have met with obstruction or total silence. They simply do not wish to investigate the matter, a contradiction of journalistic raison d'etre. This is a similar attitude to the Today newspaper which brought out Doug and Dave (since proved to have been created by the British government). One has to wonder if, like Today, The Southland Press wasn't implicated in the scam.

"Their car parked at some distance for a clean getaway."

Lie. It was parked by the road where a crowd of onlookers oversaw the whole incident. Not that you saw that on TV.

"with nothing but the moonlight to help them."

Blatant lie. Two very powerful lights had to be hauled using forty ton cranes. You couldn't couldn't get away with this in England, hence another reason why New Zealand was such a convenient location. Besides, one researcher figured out (Chad Deetkin, I believe), that the vast majority of crop circles appear during moonless, cloudy or rainy nights. When the full moon is out it is so bright that anyone caught in a field will be arrested on the spot. Remember, England is one of the most densely populated countries in the world and farmers are often out till 12.30 am, and up at 4am to check their fields.

"Often the ground is hard."

Half-truth. Often the ground is muddy in English fields. It has been known to rain these. However, the soil in a crop circle is often hard compared to the soil outside, suggesting a heating component is involved. Infrasound and microwave energy is known to do this. But not planks of wood.

"When footprints are found, researchers attribute them to visitors, making it a win-win situation."

Lie. When footprints are found it negates one of the criteria for validation, hence why researchers try to get to sites before anyone else. When visitors have been there first, we will look for other clues such has the unfakable bend in the stalk, followed by rigorous soil and plant tests which no hoaxer has been able to replicate. If too much damage has been made by people, an open verdict is recorded. These are just some of the tests involved.

"upon arriving at a predetermined location in the crop, our team assembles."

Ah, I thought Judd said earlier that no one had been caught until now! Suddenly they are 'our' team?

"once the center is staked out a tuff of wheat is left standing."

Lie. The center of this formation was in the tram line where there is no circle or wheat to flatten; however, it does mark the center of a very poor rendition of the Mandelbrot Set, a mathematical fractal design which requires a computer to draw correctly. Its real counterpart in 1991 was artificially clipped to contain diatonic ratios which no hoaxer has yet had the intellectual capacity to encode. In the NZ hoax the center can clearly be seen from the air as two areas of damaged crop, which had any researchers been on-hand, would have immediately made them suspicious.

"no stake is placed on the ground. A team member holds the tape as the circle is made."

Interesting. If you take a look at the overhead footage shown, there are only three people involved, all working individually on each of the three legs of the design. To have someone hold a tape would therefore require six people. So this footage was shot seperately, a common trick. Besides, we now know each circle had already been staked out.

'communication is a series of silent signals, holding planks of wood in the air."

Ludicrous. Go into a field in the middle of the night, when anything 10 ft in front of you has as much luminescence as a lump of coal, and see if you can create a perfect geometrical alignment with your partner 980 ft on the opposite end (as was the case at the Triple Julia Set). This is laughable. At least, guys, make the planks white; oh, but then there wouldn't be much point in wearing black camouflage, would it?

"batting down by boards is what makes the intricate woven patterns that baffle researchers."

Lie. The only thing that batting down of plants makes is a field that looks like tufts of greasy, uncombed hair. Weaving- which is very much a real part of the real phenomenon- is created when up to five layers of plants are laid in counterflow to each other IN DISTINCT PATTERNS of lay, one below the other. This neans that crop has to be selectively flattened in one direction and again in another, and so on. No hoaxer has ever accomplished this, even in monitored trials during a competition in 1992. What is more impressive about the weaving is that since the stems are bent, steamed and rehardened into a new, permanent position, when you try and lift these layers back up, the still-undamaged plants break. One thing that will achieve this is a change in the earth's magnetic grid: the plants' roots are geotropic so they grow towards the source of gravity, ie. down. In genuine crop circles the plants roots have shifted sideways, suggesting an alteration to the magnetic grid, as proved by Colin Andrews in 2000.

"the circle makers aren't interested in sacred geometry. If it works out that the design means something to those who discover it all the better."

This is very poor disclosure on their part since sacred geometry is hard to encode in a canvas as imprecise as a wheat field, yet it has been proved that it exists. Sacred geometry, or Euclidian and Pythagorean geometry for that matter, relies on fixed mathematical values- it either exists or it doesn't. One simply cannot arrive at it by chance. By saying that all that geometry is a figment of our imagination they are, in essence, discrediting the whole field of maths and science, since sacred geometry is found at very basic levels of nature, even at the sub-atomic level. This admission will hurt these people in times to come since it establishes that they are not conversant with the fundamental elements of mathematics.

"having said that, the key to the crop circle is the tram lines- they are exactly 48 feet wide, which is divisible by 6- an important number in sacred geometry, and the circles in this formation are divisible by six."

Now they DO believe in sacred geometry. Please, someone make up their mind! But they are not talking geometry, they are talking NUMEROLOGY. The association of the 6 with sacred geometry is borne of one its forms; but the geometry generates the numbers, not the other way round, that's how it was taught by the ancient Egyptians. We have no way of checking if the tram line width was correct, but from personal experience the shortest tram width is 55 ft, with some as wide as 80 ft. The ludicrous thing is they made no attempt at overlaying any principles of geometry over their design, which would have made a more compelling argument- in fact no geometry was shown. From an overhead shot of the formation I can tell you that the basic hexagonal sacred geometry would not fit this design by any stretch of the imagination- the arms of their design were laid at the wrong angles.

"they made the jump from traditional artists to covert artists in 1994, when they first made crop circles."

In other words, they were made unemployed in 1994. By then, over 5000 formations worldwide had been discovered. Since then this group insinuated to have made several impressive formations in England, but none of their 'claims' are ever substantiated. In fact, all that is certain is that they have made only a couple of formations.

"making sure not to leave any incriminating evidence behind, they make a clean getaway,"

No doubt applauded by the large group of local people who had seen the event, as described by the local paper. We even know the hotel where they escaped to. Very corny indeed.

"the dark world of deception."

One which NBC, its backers, the producers of Unmasked: The Secrets of Deception", and their original source for this blatant piece of disinformation certainly live in, one no intelligent and responsible citizen should wish to associate with.

In the end, no research was shown, no comparative analysis permitted (the formation was immediately cut down), and no counterpoint was allowed by anyone unconnected with these criminals. To be fair, I was asked by John Ludberg to contribute any questions, which I did; not one made it on air.

There has never been a doubt that at least 30% of crop circles are hoaxes- a figure that rises and falls every year. In fact man made efforts have helped research differentiate what is attained by the real phenomenon and what isn't, despite the criminal nature of such people.

One thing this 'documentary' did get right was said right at the beginning: 'crop circles are one of the most misunderstood phenomena'.

With shows like these, it's no wonder.



Edited by Shroomism (12/09/01 04:16 PM)


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Anonymous

Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485161 - 12/09/01 03:26 PM (22 years, 1 day ago)

I still haven't found anything about them translating into music, do you have any links handy?


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Anonymous

Re: Crop Circles [Re: Anonymous]
    #485199 - 12/09/01 04:09 PM (22 years, 1 day ago)



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Anonymous

Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485214 - 12/09/01 04:29 PM (22 years, 1 day ago)

sweet, thanks. and here's a little something for you...


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Anonymous

Re: Crop Circles [Re: Anonymous]
    #485256 - 12/09/01 05:09 PM (22 years, 1 day ago)

Heh... thanks Smack


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485326 - 12/09/01 06:51 PM (22 years, 22 hours ago)

So, where the hell could they come from?


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Anonymous

Re: Crop Circles [Re: Jenny]
    #485330 - 12/09/01 06:59 PM (22 years, 22 hours ago)

I'm not going to imply anything....






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Anonymous

Re: Crop Circles [Re: Jenny]
    #485333 - 12/09/01 07:03 PM (22 years, 22 hours ago)



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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485339 - 12/09/01 07:08 PM (22 years, 22 hours ago)

what would be the point of making crop circles? they don't seem to actually do anything..


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Anonymous

Re: Crop Circles [Re: wintertime]
    #485347 - 12/09/01 07:18 PM (22 years, 22 hours ago)

It has often been said that a picture speaks a thousand words.

Here are some quotes taken from various sources:

Currently, not everyone agrees as to their origins; the explanations range from hoaxes to aliens to other supernatural forces such as radiation or even ghosts. The problem, however, lies not in determining their origin, but in assessing these circles as a form of art. Since most people define art as a human activity, we will assume that humans create these circles. According to John Lundberg, a circle-maker, the art of circle making lies in "being able to construct something that many people believe to be beyond human endeavor." Like many other forms of art, the ability of crop circles to affect people deeply gives them their beauty. People report a variety of effects of visiting these circles ranging from religious experiences to being fear-struck. Also, these circles often convey, or appear to convey deep meaning such as pleas against nuclear power, or supernatural connotations. Because of their significance to many people and the deep meaning that they convey, crop circles qualify as an art form.

Not only do crop circles show the same effects on viewers as do most art forms, but they often have even greater effects on these people. After visiting crop circles, many people report physical effects such as extreme giddiness, to even nausea, or even "getting literally knocked off their feet" ("Peculiarities of Crop Circles"). In addition to these rather unusual physical effects, many people enjoy the religious, and mystical aspect to these circles such as such as legends similar to those that surround the nearby site of Stonehenge. Yet these paranormal phenomena do not constitute the whole of the significance of crop circles. Circle watchers, as experts often call them, usually visit crop circles for their simple beauty, and their paradoxically simple complexity. Crop circles consist solely of trodden down wheat, corn, or barley, yet the patterns that they form often baffle even the experts in their originality and intricacy.

As they lay their carefully planned patterns in the grass of living fields, crop circle artists convey symbolic and artistic meaning through their work. Do these circle makers have to convey a message? Do they have to do so symbolically? Do they even have to be human? The answer to all of these questions is a definite no. Yet the majority of circle makers perform their work as an artist does. And those who do not follow the "rules" simply add to the mystery surrounding this form of art.

"They are like dreams, to interrogate them is to force them to lie., to interpret them is to diminish their richness, to explain them is to misunderstand them? Crop circles are like mouths that speak to us of the strangeness and depth of things -- speak to the heart more than the head, and to the soul more than the heart."
--Patrick Harpur ("Field of Dreams?", 128)


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485356 - 12/09/01 07:34 PM (22 years, 21 hours ago)

Some more images for your viewing pleasure...






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Anonymous

Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485366 - 12/09/01 07:43 PM (22 years, 21 hours ago)

And these were all done by school boys with planks of wood and rope? Quite laughable.


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Anonymous

Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485401 - 12/09/01 08:09 PM (22 years, 21 hours ago)

wow those are pretty amazing pictures. Shroomism, you have a way to move people into believing what you say, maybe you should start a cult!! ........... just kiddin.. keep showing the good stuff =)


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Anonymous

Re: Crop Circles [Re: wintertime]
    #485407 - 12/09/01 08:13 PM (22 years, 21 hours ago)

Real
(I'd like to see a team of two guys make this 648 foot long circle in under an hour with planks of wood and some rope)




Fake



Real



Faked (This is what you can accomplish with some pieces of wood)




Real

This 915 foot fractal spiral formation appeared next to Stonehenge in Wiltshire on the 7th of July, 1996, and consisted of 151 circles. Amazingly, the formation appeared within a half hour time window as a pilot flew over the field at 5:30pm and saw nothing, and when he returned at 6:00pm, it had appeared. A hoaxing competition held in 1992 showed that a formation of this complexity could not be created by humans in such a short space of time.



Are we beginning to see a pattern emerge here? Or are they still made by a team of two guys named Doug and Dave who travel the world from New Zealand to England and back again in a day just to fake some crop formations?



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Anonymous

Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485411 - 12/09/01 08:17 PM (22 years, 21 hours ago)

wow those are pretty amazing pictures. Shroomism, you have a way to move people into believing what you say, maybe you should start a cult!! ........... just kiddin.. keep showing the good stuff =)


I'm not trying to move people into believing anything I say, I'm only trying to point out the blatantly obvious.


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485424 - 12/09/01 08:29 PM (22 years, 20 hours ago)

Why are 90% of the world's crop circles found in England? The aliens don't really like much diversity in their travel destinations, eh?



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Re: Crop Circles [Re: cantara]
    #485430 - 12/09/01 08:33 PM (22 years, 20 hours ago)

90% of the reported crop circles are in England.
I'll take a stab and say because England has plenty of fields and welcomes such activity.
But hey, I'm not the one making them..why don't you ask them?


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485435 - 12/09/01 08:37 PM (22 years, 20 hours ago)

Well, when you say England "welcomes such activity", what do you mean?  I'd hazard a guess there are more fields and total area for crop circle activity in the US than in England, yet 90% of the crop circles happen there? 

And, I can't ask them - you are the one who is in contact with them :smile: which is exactly why I asked you.  I'd be interested to know, if these crop circles are the work of aliens, why they virtually refuse to venture outside the UK to do their thing.



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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485438 - 12/09/01 08:41 PM (22 years, 20 hours ago)

The music that exists on the websites you linked to, that is derived from the crop circles - is it your position that that music is "inherent" or intentionally implied in it - by which I mean, if, say, a different team of people with different computers and algorithms fed the exact same image into their program, would they come up with identical music? And if NOT, then what you're saying is that the music aspect is very open to interpretation and human intervention, would you agree?

That rigidly mathematical, geometric, symmetrical, etc. patterns/images would be able to be translated to music is certainly nothing new or indicative of anything, I would think.



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Re: Crop Circles [Re: cantara]
    #485442 - 12/09/01 08:44 PM (22 years, 20 hours ago)

There are plenty of crop formations in the US, they are just never available to the media. On one occassion a farmer in upper new york noticed a crop formation in his field and called the news to tell them of it...within minutes a police officer showed up and offered him a thousand dollars to cut it down, which he accepted. Incidents similar to this have happened God knows how many times, since the US government is hell bent on hiding this type of thing from their public's virgin eyes. They are quite common in Canada as well, where they are not so repressed.
In England they love this stuff, people show up at crop circles to go inside it, news choppers show up to take pictures, and even the cops join in the fray. So my guess would be that 90% of the circles that are reported or shown to the public are in England because they do not try to cover it up at all.


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485450 - 12/09/01 08:47 PM (22 years, 20 hours ago)

Ok, let me ask you this - how many crop circles were *reported* last year - or if you don't know, then how about 1999, the year that was featured in one of the links you sent? How many total crop circles were reported?


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485456 - 12/09/01 08:49 PM (22 years, 20 hours ago)

So it's your position, then, that crop circles anywhere except England are, for the most part, cut, burned, or otherwise "erased" before anyone in, say, a passing airplane sees them, and never reported?



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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485483 - 12/09/01 09:18 PM (22 years, 20 hours ago)

*cough*cough*HOAX*cough*HOAX*cough*cough*


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485496 - 12/09/01 09:39 PM (22 years, 19 hours ago)

And these were all done by school boys with planks of wood and rope? Quite laughable.

No, the logical explanation is that aliens came from a trillion miles away to tramp in our fields as they had no other 'canvas" for their quite human-looking geometric patterns.


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485512 - 12/09/01 09:57 PM (22 years, 19 hours ago)

Are we beginning to see a pattern emerge here?

Yes:

A. Humans exist on planet earth.
B. Humans are capable of making objects and patterns of great complexity.
C. These or similar patterns have been made by humans in other mediums.
D. Humans have been shown on video tape making crop circles.
E. It takes no special technology to bend flimsy grass stalks.

Therefore, there is no reason to believe that they were not made by humans.

Or are they still made by a team of two guys named Doug and Dave who travel the world from New Zealand to England and back again in a day just to fake some crop formations?

This is what is classically known as a strawman argument. As if Doug and Dave are the only two human beings capable of tramping down grass - really shroomism, you are getting weaker and weaker in your postings.





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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485516 - 12/09/01 10:01 PM (22 years, 19 hours ago)

Shroomism, you have a way to move people into believing what you say..

Please speak only for yourself.


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: cantara]
    #485519 - 12/09/01 10:05 PM (22 years, 19 hours ago)

Stop it! Stop it! No more logic!


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Swami]
    #485524 - 12/09/01 10:11 PM (22 years, 19 hours ago)

*cough*cough*


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: djfrog]
    #485572 - 12/09/01 11:05 PM (22 years, 18 hours ago)

you might want to have that cough checked out...


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Anonymous]
    #485615 - 12/10/01 12:16 AM (22 years, 17 hours ago)

i mowed my name in the yard once...


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Anonymous]
    #485739 - 12/10/01 05:27 AM (22 years, 12 hours ago)

In reply to:

i mowed my name in the yard once...



lol



hey! that is the kabalah! ancient jewish wisdom... similar to the chakra wisdom... i don?t really know much about it... but it?s quite impressive



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Re: Crop Circles [Re: In(di)go]
    #485741 - 12/10/01 05:41 AM (22 years, 11 hours ago)

the tree of life...

http://www.kundalini-tantra.com/paths1.html
I didn't realize it was jewish though.
I ran across it when I was reading a lot about tantra and brain circuits...

actually, out of all the crop circles that one makes me a little suspcious.


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: cantara]
    #485891 - 12/10/01 10:51 AM (22 years, 6 hours ago)

They occur in crops during the spring & summer seasons throughout various regions of the world, such as in the U.S., Canada, throughout Europe, South America, Asia and Australia. In fact, the only two countries where crop circle have never been reported are China and South Africa. For the thousands reported every year, the vast majority go completely undetected. Most of the complex formations occur in the United Kingdom and they are also more likely to be detected because of the country's smaller land mass , therefore a large majority of researchers head to England every summer to conduct their independent research. But worldwide there are individuals in various countries, including the United States, that are recording the appearances of crop formations in their respective country in an attempt to learn more about their mysterious nature.



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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Swami]
    #485896 - 12/10/01 10:58 AM (22 years, 6 hours ago)

Are we beginning to see a pattern emerge here?

Yes:

A. Humans exist on planet earth.
B. Humans are capable of making objects and patterns of great complexity.
C. These or similar patterns have been made by humans in other mediums.
D. Humans have been shown on video tape making crop circles.
E. It takes no special technology to bend flimsy grass stalks.

Therefore, there is no reason to believe that they were not made by humans.


There are several reasons to believe they were not made by humans:

In what kind of crops do they occur?Crop circles have been reported in mostly barley and wheat. But, they also appear in corn, oats, oilseed rape (canola), grass, ricefields, trees, sand, and even snow.

Where do they appear? They have appeared on almost every continent and in over 70 countries worldwide -- including the US, Canada, Australia, Brasil, Russia, India, Germany, and Italy. There seems to be a correlation with many forming near ancient sites.

Physical changes of plants and soil - not only does the physical appearance of seem to change (it looks dehydrated), but there is change at the molecular level. Research has been conducted over a ten year period with samples and thorough laboratory testing carried out by the biophysicist Dr. Levengood, Nancy Talbott, and John Burks -- the BLT Research Team, and a small army of volunteers worldwide. Their findings include enlarged cell walls, expulsion cavities in the nodes of the plant stalks, significantly extended node lengths, and changes to the soil composition (ie. vastly higher level of magnetite concentration) from samples taken within the crop formations in contrast to the control samples taken from outside the circles.
Reported increase in crop yield - Some farmers and researchers have independently reported greater yield in the years following the appearance of formations in their fields. In 1997, Tim Carson who farms East Field (where the "DNA" formation appeared in 1996) reported to researchers that his yield was up 30-40%. The increased yield that usually only comes with annual rehybridization (done in labs) remains the same level even in up to 5th generation crops coming from crop circles, according to researcher Steve Purkaple.

Swirl in multiple directions - many formations have complex woven patterns of the swirled crops. Not only do the plants in the formation swirl clockwise or counter-clockwise, but sometimes certain sections will swirl one direction and layers on top are going another direction. They sometimes even have multiple layers swirled in different directions.

Woven stalks - Other times the stalks are actually woven like a piece of loose cloth on the floor of the formation. This has been observed by various researchers in the UK.

Selective swirling - Even though the edges are clearly defined, sometimes stalks from the outside edge are pulled into the formation. This doesn't seem to be too unusual, but actually certain stalks from the middle of a grouping of plants gets pulled in. The ones closest to the formation do not. And this occurs around the entire edge of the crop circle. Very meticulous!

Equipment malfunctions - There have been numerous reports of electronic equipment failing in crop circles and compasses spinning out of control in & over the crop circles (when flying over in aircraft). This range of equipment includes watches, mobile phones, batteries, cameras... fortunately no pacemakers yet! No explanations for these occurences, other than the indication of a strong EM field distortions.

Emit sound at 5KHz frequency - Researchers have measured a distinct emission of energy at 5KHz eminating from fresh (few days after formed) crop circles. This corresponds to reports of eye-witnesses who often claim to hear a "trilling" sound coming from the direction of the formations.

Formations "transform" into new patterns - There have been instances where certain formations take on an entirely different appearance as they continue to grow in the field. For example, one formation got a wavy look within the center of the circle that wasn't there originally.

Anomalous EM measurements - By doing a fluxgate magnetometer survey of several formations, Colin Andrews determined that the very center of these circles measured 40-50 nano Teslas. This is 10 times the radiation level of a normal field.

Unusual bending of plant stalks - It's a widely publicized fact that plants within a formation actually bend at the naturally occuring nodes 90 degrees. This can also happen in hoaxed formations where the plant is pressed to the ground and "bends" to reach towards the light. This process known as phototropism is more pronounced in younger stalks, often reaching up towards the light in 1-2 days. However, what isn't well-known is that there is more than one possible place for bent nodes. Some formations have had stalks all bent from the same node (there are up to a half dozen nodes on one plant). Some formations show bending at the knuckle closest to the ground, yet in a neighboring section they all bend two knuckles up and so on. In the line of ~24 circles in Windmill Hill in 2000, virtually all the stalks were bent 1/4" beneath the nodes, though at completely different heights (1" to 6" range) from the ground. This means that each stalk would have to be bent individually to give that effect.

Occur far from any tramlines - many formations and plain circular "grapeshots" often occur in the middle of fields far from any tramlines without any disturbance of the surrounding crop (which is detectable). Good example is the 1996 formation in Basingstoke, Hampshire where a circle with a ring was put inside the middle of an organic oilseed rape field that had no tramlines at all and the crop was 4-5 feet tall!

Formations occur inside restricted areas - numerous accounts of crop circles appearing inside military installations that are fenced off (quite securely!) from the surrounding area. Most noteably in Wiltshire along the Salisbury Plain. Are Doug and Dave in the Army?

Geophysical features - One common denominator of many of the crop formations is that they occur over underground water supplies and land situated above chalk beds, according to researcher Steve Page. Water is a good conductor of electrical current, and could possibly be channeling the electromagnetic currents of the Earth (which is what dowsers attempt to detect). This observation may have something to do with how some crop circles are formed.

Sacred geometry - Researchers have discovered layers within layers of information contained in the crop circles themselves. There are sacred ratios, such as phi, that governs the growth process of all organic life. This is an area that requires more attention and resources, as perhaps this understanding could reveal a message or at least "higher intelligence" behind these artistic patterns.

Physical side effects - Many people mention having some sort of physical reaction (positive or negative) during and after a visit to a crop formation. Side effects range from nausea, headaches, dizziness, tingling sensations, pains amd giddiness... to getting literally knocked off their feet! Sometimes the effects are felt only after leaving the formation, such as sickness or disruption to the mentrual cycle, which could be affected by the surge of energies absorbed from within the formation.
Alignment with natural features of the land - This isn't apparent from the ground, but aerial photographs have shown that often formations are imprinted on the earth in alignment with tram lines or even darkened sections on the earth. This is an impossiblity without been able to see "the big picture" before permanently laying out the design.


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: cantara]
    #485905 - 12/10/01 11:24 AM (22 years, 6 hours ago)

Ok, let me ask you this - how many crop circles were *reported* last year - or if you don't know, then how about 1999, the year that was featured in one of the links you sent? How many total crop circles were reported?

Hard numbers are hard to find, but averages can be determined.
So far this year(2001), 790 crop circles have been recorded from Canada and Afghanistan to Switzerland.
In 2000, over 3,000 crop circles were reported, 1,985 of these being in the UK.
In 1999, also over 2,000 crop circles were reported, more than 1,000 being in southern England alone.

Someone must be very busy. It would require a lot of effort to travel across the world over and over creating hundreds, even thousands of crop formations every year. These are just the ones that have been reported and recorded.


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Swami]
    #485918 - 12/10/01 11:52 AM (22 years, 5 hours ago)

This is what is classically known as a strawman argument. As if Doug and Dave are the only two human beings capable of tramping down grass

Really, there is much more involved than tramping down grass. Doug and Dave aren't the only humans who can create them, but they are the ones who claimed to have made every crop circle since 1978. Yet they have failed to ever provide proof of making one of the ones they claim they made. There is also Team Satan, who claims to have made most of the newest crop circles. An exerpt from an article on them:

Since 1994 a group of three artists has laid claim to some of England's most elaborate crop circles. The group originally named Team Satan has since changed its name to 'The circlemakers'- a name seemingly adopted to cause maximum confusion; after all, the real Circlemakers have been involved in making crop circles around the world as far back as the late 1800s, some supported by eyewitness reports claiming that an invisible whorl motion, lasting under fifteen seconds, flattens the crop in spiral fashion, without damaging the plants.

When a massive crop circle materialized beneath the gaze of Stonehenge in 1996, it was alledged by one of their close friends that the group made the said fractal pattern- a representation of the computer-generated Julia Set fratal- despite the fact that two pilots, a security guard and a gamekeeper all claim the formation appeared within a fifteen minute window one Sunday afternoon. It subsequently took a team of eleven surveyors five hours just to measure the design.

The same claim appears to have been made on a pattern three times the size at Windmill Hill, since its blueprint now adorns the home page of their web site- all this despite the logistics requiring a circle to be made approximately every 58 seconds. A surveying company who analyzed the site quoted a minimum of five days just to mark the site alone.

No wonder that with their ability to bend the rules of physics, levitate above the untouched wheat and master the laws of invisibility, 'the circlemakers' have since become media darlings, gaining commissions from the BBC and Sky Television, even Mitsubishi, for whom they made a crop circle shaped like a van over the course of two days, requiring the use of daylight and police protection.

At the end of the 1998 season they were commissioned by the BBC to construct a simple roulette of 100 circles (above left), without getting caught. As it turns out, they were caught within the first few minutes of their endeavour, proving just how hard it is to hoax patterns in the English countryside. Even in the dark. The final design, based on straighforward ninefold geometry, failed to reproduce any of the unusual biophysical and electromagnetic features already proved to exist in the real phenomenon; even the geometry itself was flawed. Despite the hit-and -miss result, this is Team Satan/the circlemakers best attempt at generating a pattern that almost fits the unalterable laws of sacred geometry, although it has taken them five years to get this far.



In the summer of 1999 'the circlemakers' were sponsored by the Daily Mail to create a crop formation beside Avebury stone circle. The triangle format, containing 33 rough circles and incised with straight edges, was supposed to depict the 3-D illusion often referred to as Necker's Cube.

Despite the effort, the damage caused by the trampling of plants quickly showed how people systematically fail to leave them undamaged; from the above analysis, the geometry shows just how far off alignment the simple design is.

We can see a classic comparison between hoaxers' work and the genuine phenomenon: above right, a fabulous example from 1994, the year the hoaxers claim to have started, and ironically also placed beside the famous stone circle. This pattern is visually far more complex than the 1999 hoax design, suggesting that the hoaxers are getting worse at their craft in relation to their experience! While the latter is merely a design without meaning, the 'spider's web' design, by contrast, incorporates the harmonic laws of sound frequency, as proved by experiments in cymatics during the 1960s.

The 'spider's web' crop circle also encodes Hawkins' Fifth Theorem- part of a series of new mathematical theorems discovered in crop circles. These are based on the works of Euclid, yet these theorems are missing from Euclid's thirteen Treatises on Mathematics- the foundation of our system today. Additionally, this design is encoded with diatonic ratios- mathematical fractions fundamental to the music scale, and the chances of anyone hitting these by accident are one million to one.

How is it possible these forgers have the ability to encode such complex information one night, yet fail miserably the next, even with the aid of light?



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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485928 - 12/10/01 12:11 PM (22 years, 5 hours ago)

This site's pretty nicely designed & quite interesting for the topic, too - it's the site of the Circlemakers, as mentioned above:

www.circlemakers.org


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485936 - 12/10/01 12:25 PM (22 years, 5 hours ago)

There are several reasons to believe they were not made by humans:
In what kind of crops do they occur?Crop circles have been reported in mostly barley and wheat. But, they also appear in corn, oats, oilseed rape (canola), grass, ricefields, trees, sand, and even snow.

Hey that is truly convincing. Don't even see a point here.

Specifically, notice that there have been no "snow circles" photographed in the Antarctic where no humans live.

Where do they appear? They have appeared on almost every continent and in over 70 countries worldwide -- including the US, Canada, Australia, Brasil, Russia, India, Germany, and Italy. There seems to be a correlation with many forming near ancient sites.
Here you agree with me. Crop circles appear where humans live - no big surprise. And of course a hoax appears more mysterious if found in the vicinity of some ancient site.

0 for 2 so far...

Physical changes of plants and soil - not only does the physical appearance of seem to change (it looks dehydrated)...
Yup. That is the way that dead grass looks.

Some farmers and researchers have independently reported greater yield in the years following the appearance of formations in their fields.
And some had a lesser yield. NO causal link has been established. This is normal fluctuation.

Not only do the plants in the formation swirl clockwise or counter-clockwise...
Yes, we agree on that. They must swirl in one direction or another. Solid proof of alien handiwork.

Woven stalks ...
Even primitive humans are capable of weaving - no 25th century technolgy there.

Formations "transform" into new patterns
Are you saying it is impossible for humans to modify their artwork? This is done all the time.

Formations occur inside restricted areas - numerous accounts of crop circles appearing inside military installations that are fenced off (quite securely!) from the surrounding area.
So what? I was in the service and we were bored to tears. We used to direct our search radar towards the cops sitting outside the base waiting in their speed-traps. The strong energy would blow their crystals. It is called a "prank".

Colin Andrews determined that the very center of these circles measured 40-50 nano Teslas.
And other unbiased (meaning no circuit tour or books to hype) researchers found no such thing.

This means that each stalk would have to be bent individually to give that effect.
Not at all. It means uneven pressure and non-precision equipment - ie. a 2 * 4. Aliens are know for high precision work, therefore it must be human. Check out trees after a hurricane - they break at all different heights - therefore hurricanes are alien-induced?

Sacred geometry
Sacred to whom? To humans of course! We can recognize these because they were created by humans.

Sometimes the effects are felt only after leaving the formation, such as sickness
You may actually have something here. I once visited a crop circle in Iowa (one that slipped through the goverment's WOCC [War on Crop Circles]. And amazingly 5 months later I got the flu!

BTW, I brought my watch, a compass and a radio into the center. All worked perfectly fine as expected.



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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Swami]
    #485955 - 12/10/01 12:36 PM (22 years, 4 hours ago)

Ok I've decided not to even bother arguing with you about this. Years of dedicated research and facts are chopped to pieces by you in a matter of minutes. You fail to reply to anything of the changes in soil composition, cell structure, etc...responding to fragments of the message instead of the whole message i.e picking and choosing (taking a sentence out of a paragraph and responding to it, ignoring the rest of the message)
While I would love to sit here and argue with you back and forth about the many details of this subject, its not worth my time and energy.


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485988 - 12/10/01 01:00 PM (22 years, 4 hours ago)

You fail to reply to anything of the changes in soil composition, cell structure,
Would love to see chromatagraphs done on soil samples by a reputable scientist in a reputable lab.

A TV special a few years back said it all. They had 3 prominent Crop Circle researchers check out a circle. All 3 procalimed it be be genuine according to their myriad of tests (shaken, not stirred; bent - not broken, radiation, etc.)

Then they were shown a film of a dozen volunteers who had made the Crop Circle in a virgin field. The film documented the ENTIRE process from start to finish.

When shown the film, one researcher admitted that it was indeed fake and that he had been mistaken. The other two
flatly refused to admit that they were wrong.

If the best CC researchers can be fooled by a hoax, then there is nothing more to say on the subject!


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Swami]
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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Swami]
    #486085 - 12/10/01 02:14 PM (22 years, 3 hours ago)

Would love to see chromatagraphs done on soil samples by a reputable scientist in a reputable lab.


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #486155 - 12/10/01 03:21 PM (22 years, 2 hours ago)

He said reputable scientists, not ones that are finding data to fit their beliefs.


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Anonymous]
    #486211 - 12/10/01 04:27 PM (22 years, 1 hour ago)

OMG! It's Shroomism!

Anyways.. About the Crop Circles, I got some serious body tingles. That's as far as evidence goes for me. I don't dispute the research, nor do I believe it. I will when an ET decides to communicate with me.

Hey, Shroomism, is there a way you could ask your ET friends to come speak with me? :O)

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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ArCh_TemPlaR]
    #486219 - 12/10/01 04:38 PM (22 years, 49 minutes ago)

Hey, Shroomism, is there a way you could ask your ET friends to come speak with me?

You'd probably get better results asking them yourself.


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    #486224 - 12/10/01 04:46 PM (22 years, 41 minutes ago)

I like the way the alien in that one picture is EXACTLY what Hollywood depicts as an alien.


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: spreadhead]
    #486227 - 12/10/01 04:49 PM (22 years, 38 minutes ago)

Me too


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    #486242 - 12/10/01 05:02 PM (22 years, 25 minutes ago)

You'd probably get better results asking them yourself.

In my case, it's not going to happen unless I get a big zap. Like getting hit by lightning..


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ArCh_TemPlaR]
    #486871 - 12/11/01 01:24 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Those needing proof refuse to see it.


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Adamist]
    #486895 - 12/11/01 01:48 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

This is why I tend to stick to just explaining things rather than going out of my way to show the thousands of avenues of proof that exist for those who seek it. Those who demand proof do not even consider the proof as valid since they don't believe it in the first place...therefore give a shit I do not. If you don't believe in something I'm not going to try and change your mind.
I'm going to stick with the method I know best, those who believe can join in the fun, and fuck all the naysayers!


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    #486938 - 12/11/01 02:45 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Humans have always stood in awe of Crop Circles as you can be assured this is not the first era where they have been prevalent. They speak to the subconscious, which sees the patterns and senses their meaning, and the conscious hasn't a clue. What is their meaning? Crop Circles are telling you, in a universal language, of coming events, and we are speaking here not only of physical events, such as the pending pole shift, but spiritual as well. In the past these simple but eloquent messages were left, with increasing frequency and urgency, leading up to the shift. This time, because of the Transformation, there is more than one message to relay. What are these messages, and why not simply speak them, or leave written word? Well, of course contactees are receiving these messages, face- to-face, but what about the rest of the world. Crops Circle creation is managed by a group of aliens that cannot participate in the Earth's Transformation in any other manner, as they are a life form that lives in the water, and thus their ships are filled with the atmosphere that they breath - water. Thus, this is how they serve.

Observers have noted that Crop Circles seem to appear almost instantaneously. They blink, and then notice that something is different in the vista before them. By what process is this accomplished? If space ships are landing and impressing the ground, then the time seems too short. If rays of energy or a force field are involved, all this passes the notice of the observers. Crop Circle creation does not require a landed ship or physical force. The grain lies flat because the structure of the stems has been altered, one side of the stem rapidly growing in a process the reverse of what occurs when growing plants bend toward the light. This growth spurt occurs low to the ground, the particular ray, like laser surgery, focused there. The swirls are created due to the circular motion of the affecting ray, which circles like the hand of a clock, dropping the grain stalks such that they fall almost simultaneously.

Are Crop Circles more effective than words? Absolutely. They register in many parts of the brain, and tell the story with greater depth. A picture is worth a thousand words. Symbols are used to relay astronomical occurrences, effects of one planetary body on another, motion and direction, pace, change, and for those who have sensed their meaning, they also relay ratios and relative force. Stand before these pictures and let your subconscious speak to you, and see the forest and the sky, rather than the trees. Are not the patterns being presented in increasing complexity, in step with your Earth's internal response to her approaching brother? Crop Circles began with a simple circle, stating that the Earth is unruffled in her orbit. Then dual circles and rings, relaying the approaching interaction between the Earth and her brother, the 12th Planet. The rings, of course, are the influence of gravitational pull, increasing. Long lines connecting circles - does the 12th Planet, acting as a comet, not have an approach? Peripheral circles - the other planets in your Solar System, or in the wider system that comprises the 12th Planet's journey.

And what of the Scorpion Tail, the connected and curving series of dots? Does not the comet travel with an entourage of minor moons? As the giant comet dominates with its gravitational field, the moons are not pulled into conflict regarding their place. They trail after their traveling master, like little ducklings in a row. Would not the 12th Planet's moons circle, as do moons humans are familiar with? Where the orbiting motion of moons is assumed to be due to a balance between the centrifugal force of the moon and attraction to the home planet, there are other variables. The orbiting moons are in motion because they are reaching for the Sun and other planets, like a twirling dancer forever undecided on a partner.

The helix, misinterpreted by many to be a DNA strand, is a pictorial representation of the Earth's rotation and the manner in which it begins to align with the rotation of the approaching 12th Planet. As we have explained, the Earth's rotation is caused by the motion of elements in the Earth's core attempting to escape or approach influences in the wider solar system. The Earth's rotation is already slowing, a fact noted by your scientists and various excuses already published in the media. To those who would disbelieve that the 12th Planet's influence could be that strong from afar, we point to the delicacy of many matters in nature. The Earth's normal rotation is a careful balance taking into account all the factors in the solar system and beyond. It takes but a feather to trip the scales when they are perfectly balanced, and the 12th Planet's influence on the Earth from afar acts in this manner.

The ball of overlapping circles, all touching an inner circle, is meant to convey a new phenomenon occurring on Earth, preparing those who see it for the manifestation of this phenomenon. The Earth's magnetic field currently curves far out in space, so that on the surface of the Earth a compass almost always points north. Increasingly, as the Earth's swirling core is pushed to line up in opposition to the magnetic field of the approaching 12th Planet, it will send out minor magnetic fields that do not point due north, but wrap back into the Earth in the manner portrayed by the overlapping circles.

Crop Circles present an opportunity to understand, at a glance, the decade ahead. As the pole shift approaches, they will present an accurate weather prediction, a guide to family affairs, a time table for settling matters and preparing for the future, the truest touch stone that mankind will be given. Visit them often, if only in picture form, and let the message soak in.


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #486958 - 12/11/01 03:02 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

In reply to:

This is why I tend to stick to just explaining things rather than going out of my way to show the thousands of avenues of proof that exist for those who seek it. Those who demand proof do not even consider the proof as valid since they don't believe it in the first place...therefore give a shit I do not. If you don't believe in something I'm not going to try and change your mind.





You will find, as the awakening to galactic consciousness proceeds over the next few years, that the demand for proof of our existence will increase rather than decrease. You will also find, in line with what you have already experienced, that there will be no amount of proof that will satisfy these demands. Proof stands before the world today. Crop circles and their residual impact on soil and vegetation, mass sightings, disappearing pregnancies. When one gets into the game of proof, one is speaking to the wrong people. Do you have any doubts about the extent that people in denial will go to? Speak to people accused of horrific crimes against their loved ones. It didn?t happen. It most certainly wasn?t them. Homo Sapiens, as with most intelligent species, has the capacity to argue against unpleasant facts. As the unpleasant nature of these facts increases, so do the arguments.

Have you heard the argument that the majority of a teacher, or parent, or manager?s time is spent on the troublesome? This is certainly true of the efforts of the police, who are a corps only because of the troublesome. The troublesome are few, but receive almost all the attention. We take a different approach in our contacts with humans. We ignore the troublesome, as they make their own bed, spiritually speaking, and must lie in it. In addition, the troublesome don?t hinder our efforts. We are beyond their reach. We communicate with those who will make a difference, who are either currently dedicating their lives to worthwhile efforts or will presently do so. We direct our efforts to those who share our goals.

Of course, if we were to give humanity absolute proof, there would be repercussions. It is rather deliberate that the press of information that you are not alone as intelligent creatures in God's universe is very gradual. It is not by accident that toys, TV shows, and everyday conversation in the workplace talk about aliens and have alien figures, and that this is casually accepted without fear. This is because this has been slowly interjected. Were there to be aliens marching down the street or appearing on TV next to the President of the United States, there would be heart attacks, there would be savage attacks most certainly against those individuals who are contactees. They would be torched, shot, or stoned as Pat Robinson has suggested, and it would not be a good scene.

Be advised that the rules in place guiding our contact do not allow us to dance in the skies at your command. They do not allow us to manipulate your reality so that you can claim confirmation of our existence. You need not look far for proof of these statements. It is common knowledge that photos and videos that would be too staunch in their veracity simply do not develop. Likewise, the only physical evidence of alien biological existence or technology is in the hands of your government and other governments in alliance with your government on the alien issue. If this seems to you to be a double standard, it is. How the Transformation and the Awakening is happening on your Earth has been very carefully thought through, and there are definite rules to abide by.


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #487211 - 12/11/01 09:36 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

...and fuck all the naysayers!

Is this an example of the Cosmic Love and Oneness that you have been espousing?



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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Adamist]
    #487218 - 12/11/01 09:45 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Those needing proof refuse to see it.

What is so all-fired horrible about doubt? Should I just give Ms. Cleo my credit card at $3.99 per minute or should I check her out first?

Do you walk through the bad parts of town at midnight or do you doubt your safety?

When you go in for an operation, is it wrong to ask for a doctor's certification?

When a Boiler Room "stock broker" calls you with a hot tip, to you immediately invest? Or perhaps do some research?

Why do Crop Circles escape normal thinking? I have done the research with no preconceived notions and found the data to be lacking in substance.

Doubt and suspicion are protective measurements to keep us from getting hurt.

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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Silent_One]
    #487464 - 12/11/01 01:50 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Wow...thank you.. that's exactly what I needed


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Swami]
    #487515 - 12/11/01 02:43 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

A lot of discussion here...that is good.

I'm too tired to response or clear out every issue here but I'll go through couple of points as they somehow relate to my studies/work/hobbies:

These are some of the things Mr. Shroomism claims:



This 915 foot fractal spiral formation appeared next to Stonehenge in Wiltshire on the 7th of July, 1996, and consisted of 151 circles. Amazingly, the formation appeared within a half hour time window as a pilot flew over the field at 5:30pm and saw nothing, and when he returned at 6:00pm, it had appeared. A hoaxing competition held in 1992 showed that a formation of this complexity could not be created by humans in such a short space of time.

This proofs nothing. Having a gliding license myself, I know how easy it is NOT to notice things on the ground. The airspace over England is rather busy hence keeping the pilot well occupied during the flight, not mentioning the instruments, radio beacons etc. that have to be under a constant observation. Also, if the pilot was "flying by his ass" i.e. without instruments, it is very easy deviate from the flight path. Even a slight deviation could hide objects on the ground, depending on the altitude (which should be ALWAYS included in this kind of claims, it's basic information)



There are plenty of crop formations in the US, they are just never available to the media. On one occassion a farmer in upper new york noticed a crop formation in his field and called the news to tell them of it...within minutes a police officer showed up and offered him a thousand dollars to cut it down, which he accepted. Incidents similar to this have happened God knows how many times, since the US government is hell bent on hiding this type of thing from their public's virgin eyes. They are quite common in Canada as well, where they are not so repressed.
In England they love this stuff, people show up at crop circles to go inside it, news choppers show up to take pictures, and even the cops join in the fray. So my guess would be that 90% of the circles that are reported or shown to the public are in England because they do not try to cover it up at all.

What is the source of information on this incident? If you base the lack of crop circles in US on that, well good for you... The COMMON opinion in science community is that the crop circle-thing is hoax. The governmental opinion on scientifical issues in any country is based on the COMMON opinion of the science community. There is nothing to "cover-up". Therefore, the way officials feel about this, has nothing to do with a cover up, not in England not in US.



Physical changes of plants and soil - not only does the physical appearance of seem to change (it looks dehydrated), but there is change at the molecular level. Research has been conducted over a ten year period with samples and thorough laboratory testing carried out by the biophysicist Dr. Levengood, Nancy Talbott, and John Burks -- the BLT Research Team, and a small army of volunteers worldwide. Their findings include enlarged cell walls, expulsion cavities in the nodes of the plant stalks, significantly extended node lengths, and changes to the soil composition (ie. vastly higher level of magnetite concentration) from samples taken within the crop formations in contrast to the control samples taken from outside the circles.

"a small army of volunteers worldwide" says it all. I would be more confident if I'd see, say, a final thesis made in some approved university with internationally knowledgable opponents.
However, I'm not disproving this claim straight handedly. I'm also quite sure that YOUR knowledge on molecular biology is on somewhat popular level so I'd suggest you wouldn't try to persuade Shroomers here according your beliefs with you jargon as they (most of us that is) have no way to ingest that kind of data although it may look fancy.
You're way out of your waters here son.

(of the record: magnetite (Fe2O4) is a rock, it appears in point-like sources and due to it compunds it has heavy molecular weight which, even if it was in powder form, makes it highly insoluble, i.e. immobile. Why should the soil samples be the same outside and inside the circle? Where in the hell you found this crap anyway? As I said, you're way out of your league here...)



Where do they appear? They have appeared on almost every continent and in over 70 countries worldwide -- including the US, Canada, Australia, Brasil, Russia, India, Germany, and Italy. There seems to be a correlation with many forming near ancient sites.

Internet is a wonderful thing. It spreads out information faster than anything else.
Five years ago when crop circles was a "hot topic", crop circles started to appear in my desolate and beloved home country Finland. They were all hoax.




Formations occur inside restricted areas - numerous accounts of crop circles appearing inside military installations that are fenced off (quite securely!) from the surrounding area. Most noteably in Wiltshire along the Salisbury Plain. Are Doug and Dave in the Army?

Someone here commented this already. I've been in the army as well. You could have landed a helicopter at our "fenced off" military installation during the night and no-one would have noticed a thing. The MP's and guards are usually too busy watching porn. Or too pissed-off to care.
I understand that for a civilian person the "military installations" can be a fascinating target and many legends are related to these. Especially security issues. Well, hear this, they are wildly EXAGGERATED. If you want to get to the area, you can get to the area, simply as that.




Geophysical features - One common denominator of many of the crop formations is that they occur over underground water supplies and land situated above chalk beds, according to researcher Steve Page. Water is a good conductor of electrical current, and could possibly be channeling the electromagnetic currents of the Earth (which is what dowsers attempt to detect). This observation may have something to do with how some crop circles are formed.

You mentioned earlier (or copy-pasted it somewhere) that under crop circles the ground water levels show dramatic decrease. Well, ground water issues are up my alley as I'm partly working with them.
There is very little data on annual ground water levels changes on specific areas in England. Mostly studies are consentrated on ground water quality.
Also, ground water excists almost everywhere on British soil. Witout a doubt, somekind of water saturated zone excists under every crop circle in England. It is very difficult to say whether this is real ground water or so called "fake ground water", which mostly originates from precipitation "cought" in lime- or dense soil pockets.

Anyway, this claim of yours is the most convincing one. If we for a while imagine that the crop circles are not faked, there could be a relation. This could be a good subject of an independent scientific studies.




Sacred geometry - Researchers have discovered layers within layers of information contained in the crop circles themselves. There are sacred ratios, such as phi, that governs the growth process of all organic life. This is an area that requires more attention and resources, as perhaps this understanding could reveal a message or at least "higher intelligence" behind these artistic patterns.

Someone has done intensive research. Your point doesn't proof anything.



Physical side effects - Many people mention having some sort of physical reaction (positive or negative) during and after a visit to a crop formation. Side effects range from nausea, headaches, dizziness, tingling sensations, pains amd giddiness... to getting literally knocked off their feet! Sometimes the effects are felt only after leaving the formation, such as sickness or disruption to the mentrual cycle, which could be affected by the surge of energies absorbed from within the formation.

It's also called mass-hysteria. Some people who are interested in this kind of phenomena are expecting something to happen once they enter the circle. As far as I see it, this claim of yours has no scientific value.



The 'spider's web' crop circle also encodes Hawkins' Fifth Theorem- part of a series of new mathematical theorems discovered in crop circles. These are based on the works of Euclid, yet these theorems are missing from Euclid's thirteen Treatises on Mathematics- the foundation of our system today. Additionally, this design is encoded with diatonic ratios- mathematical fractions fundamental to the music scale, and the chances of anyone hitting these by accident are one million to one.

It's not like someone gets an idea on the field about some mathematical shape that is then being imitated. Someone apparently knows his or hers mathematics well. If cropcircles are man made, it's not an act of impulsion but a long process of carefull planning.


Well, once again I'm sorry. I would so much like to believe that the crop circles are a sign for us by the mother nature or aliens etc., but unfortunately it's not so...
There could be a new kind of physical phenomena involved, a phenomena that has nothing to do supernatural entities however.

So far, I just find it so discusting that unaware people are being brainwashed with this kind of things. A lot of supposedly "scientific" information are tossed around, professors, doctors and researcher are involved. Everything is made to sound soo scientific. A normal John Doe has no way of knowing or understanding the origins of the information or sources or the physical nature of experiments conducted. That's the problem with many other things now days as well...

I rest my case.

-Stonerwitch


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Silent_One]
    #487536 - 12/11/01 03:06 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

You know, fuck that, I started reading about crop circles/fortune telling/other new age crap WANTING to believe it. There's just no reputable evidence supporting it. Everyone that says crop circles are real (whatever that means) is starting with the assumption that they are real, and then finding (or inventing) evidence which supports their theory. That's not the way true research is done.


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: spreadhead]
    #487557 - 12/11/01 03:21 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Yep, and the basic scientific truths are usually abandoned quickly as they cannot be fitted into the new "exciting" theory.

There are lot things yet to be discovered but for fucks sake lets' leave the aliens and lepricons out of this.
Now speculation is another thing, I like to speculate, but some people here are trying to masquerade their beliefs into (pseudo)science with their jargon. I hate when that happens. Personally, I take that as an insult.


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Stonerwitch]
    #487580 - 12/11/01 03:46 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

/me smiles and nods






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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Stonerwitch]
    #487641 - 12/11/01 04:27 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Doubt and suspicion dulls your sensitivity, and what you believe is recognized by the senses.

Be open to everything and judge for yourself, through your own experience, what is real and not real.

there are no facts, only interpretations.


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Adamist]
    #488532 - 12/12/01 10:34 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Hard facts are the things that make you breath and stand. You eat hard facts every morning and you sleep on hard facts during night. A fact is not a subjective thing.
Believing and living through your emotions and instincts is!

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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Stonerwitch]
    #488623 - 12/12/01 11:53 AM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Please don't tell me how my world looks


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #488630 - 12/12/01 12:04 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Sorry, I wasn't referring to you, I was talking about young Stonerwitch.


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #488848 - 12/12/01 03:30 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for the pics, they are truly amazing. Props go out to whoever created them(double props if any human could pull it off).


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: DankVudu]
    #489214 - 12/12/01 08:49 PM (21 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah! some awesome designs in this thread, i'd love to see some of these things for myself but so far i haven't heard of any showing up near me.

Sorry I have nothing constructive to say...i'm surprised that you guys still have the energy for these debates, but thanks for trying anyway. keep the pictures coming!


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Traveller]
    #529077 - 01/23/02 12:38 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

The pictures just keep coming... it never ends













The madness never ends ..

... Muwahahahaha!


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #529150 - 01/23/02 02:04 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

I see you are still on the "greater the volume, the more likely it is to be true" logical fallacy. This has been covered in depth on at least three occasions, but is one of your favorite weapons in a debate.

Yup. One man-made crop circle after another. Too bad not one gives us any information not previously available, nor holds up to any real scrutiny.

FYI - I saw a new movie poster that showed the Earth and some symbols that looked like crop cirlce designs. The heading was an ominous:" You have been warned!"

When that comes out you believers can really have a field day. *pun intended*


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Swami]
    #529173 - 01/23/02 02:22 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Quit jumping to conclusions.
I post the pictures because I like pictures. And people like them.
Thank you


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #529192 - 01/23/02 02:52 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

I have plenty of pretty pictures and don't post them.

Are you truly saying that you were not presenting them as some sort of evidence?

You once lambasted me for not reading between the lines, now you are peeved because I made an attempt to?

I humbly apologize and will go back to being more phelgmatic.


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Swami]
    #529197 - 01/23/02 02:58 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Yes I am truly saying I was not presenting them as evidence. If you notice I did not make any claims in that post except the pictures keep on coming and the madness never ends.
I posted the pictures because that is the reason for this thread, and because people have been requesting more pictures.
That is all


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #529258 - 01/23/02 04:23 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

I like the pictures... they are beautiful, no matter who or what made them.


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Anonymous]
    #529269 - 01/23/02 04:37 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

Exactly


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #529297 - 01/23/02 05:14 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

yeah. i'm here for the pictures.


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Swami]
    #530457 - 01/24/02 07:55 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

"BLIND FAITH WILL ONLY SERVE TO MAKE YOU BLIND"

"Blind faith in human logic and science has already made you blind" - Mental Hygene


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #531156 - 01/25/02 03:40 PM (21 years, 10 months ago)

I have just started growing some wheat from seeds that were collected from a crop circle in the UK. Can't wait to harvest it and make some bread.


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: spreadhead]
    #547198 - 02/10/02 11:02 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Kids have loads of talent these days


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #547239 - 02/10/02 11:28 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Have you ever seen a botched crop circle? It seems to me there should be a bunch of them. Working with such complex patterns usually in the middle of the night especially when trying to keep a low profile... There should be at least one or two fuck ups and/or abortions.


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Ulysees]
    #547265 - 02/10/02 11:47 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Here's one that didnt work out the way they planned


and this one a Kindergarten class made for BBC


Making a Crop Circles isn't as easy as some people might think.
This is why I say the real ones are readily distinguishable from hoaxes. Fake ones are usually very simple and have flaws.
Real ones are *usually* complex and perfect. No crooked lines...no imperfect circles. Math to the 9th power.


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #547270 - 02/10/02 11:51 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

HA! That would suck... Can you imagine the aliens on the drive home?

"You moron! You really fucked up this time..." :wink: :laugh:

That's what happens when you try to do an Aliens job kids. :wink: 


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Ulysees]
    #547376 - 02/11/02 01:29 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

lol...


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Ulysees]
    #547393 - 02/11/02 01:43 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

"You moron! You really fucked up this time..."

:laugh: ROFLMFAO :laugh: 


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Anonymous]
    #549711 - 02/13/02 05:42 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Well Shroomism, as much as I would like to believe they are created by extra terrestials, I do not believe they were. I belive that crop circles were and are made by humans. Yes, with planks and ropes. That is exactly how simple it is.... One person stands in the middle, the other guys move in a perfect circle, yes PERFECT cirlce since the rope doesn't change length....

:P Don't tell me about other patterns they make, because those are just as easy using other methods... Impressive as crop circles are, I've seen a human stick 7 swords through his body and not bleed, I am not lieing, humans can amaze the shit out of you sometimes. This guy was not a magician, he has some weird disease where he doesn't bleed from cuts and does not feel pain (this sucks because he broke his foot once and didn't know it and made it worse by walking on it for a week).

Oh, and didn't you hear? We sent people the moon and back, and we have put robots on mars that collect samples! And you don't think we can put a few circles into some wheat????? Hmm...... That is silly thinking if you ask me....

I would love to believe they were made by aliens, I do believe aliens exist in the universe, I believe there are millions of different species and races each with their own planets. I am certain some have met each other (Possibly some exist in the same solar systems as others). I am certain 100% in my mind that aliens are out there with Interstellar travel. It seems that Humans just have not been reached yet. Our star is extremely young compared to others, so it only makes sense we would not be as advanced as they are.

Anyhow, my point is, unfortunatley for you and myself and everyone else. Crop circles are made by humans. Plain and simple. Aliens would not waste time making patterns in our fields and then flying back to another star... Think about it. Do you have any idea how much energy they would need to fuel a ship that can travel millions of light years? And actually be moving that fast for that long? The energy needed would be IMMENSE, and the resources needed to complete such a voyage would be incredible. Think of how much money/time/effort we put into the space program..... It would be ridiculous if NASA's next mission was to start making sandcastles out of the dirt on mars and making sure no one sees us...
It works the same way for Extra Terrestrials, that would be such a waste of time and resources to just play Artist in our fields... surely you can see what a waste this would be, it just would not happen. I'm sorry, you really want to believe it's true Shroomism. But it's not.... Sorry buddy....

Don't even talk about circles being real anymore... That is just insane.... Want to go make a sandcastle on mars and not tell anyone? Um... That is a stupid waste of time.. Think aliens really want to travel millions of light years and back again all the time making thousands of trips doing the same thing? If they were really intelligent they would not be wasting time like that... It's quite obvious to anyone...

I think that is the most powerful argument for "Human made" crop circles..

Think of how much time/effort NASA puts into our space program... They need BILLIONS of dollars, and the most intelligent people on the planet to do this...
They would NEVER waste time making sandcastles on mars... If we travelled to another star system and found another race.... Would you leave sandcastles and make sure no one ever saw you for a few hundred years???

HELLO!!! Intelligence? Common sense? Do you have any?


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Zylo]
    #550068 - 02/13/02 01:00 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

The faked ones are easy to spot, some seem to be a true phenomenon.
Boards break the stems of the wheat.
Humans leave foot prints.
Some have no signs of either of the above.
Boards don't leave traces of radioacitivity.
NASA doesn't tell us jack shit and doesn't care about the evolution of humans, and is IMO a bigger waste of tax dollars than the War on some Drugs.
Fuel on these beings space ships(if they exist) is a pathetic idea, I guarentee they don't need it.

But I have no fucking clue how they get there, and don't plan on trying to explain it.


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