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Anonymous

Re: Crop Circles [Re: Anonymous]
    #485615 - 12/10/01 12:16 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

i mowed my name in the yard once...


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Anonymous]
    #485739 - 12/10/01 05:27 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

In reply to:

i mowed my name in the yard once...



lol



hey! that is the kabalah! ancient jewish wisdom... similar to the chakra wisdom... i don?t really know much about it... but it?s quite impressive



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Re: Crop Circles [Re: In(di)go]
    #485741 - 12/10/01 05:41 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

the tree of life...

http://www.kundalini-tantra.com/paths1.html
I didn't realize it was jewish though.
I ran across it when I was reading a lot about tantra and brain circuits...

actually, out of all the crop circles that one makes me a little suspcious.


Edited by Smack31 (12/10/01 05:50 AM)


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Anonymous

Re: Crop Circles [Re: cantara]
    #485891 - 12/10/01 10:51 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

They occur in crops during the spring & summer seasons throughout various regions of the world, such as in the U.S., Canada, throughout Europe, South America, Asia and Australia. In fact, the only two countries where crop circle have never been reported are China and South Africa. For the thousands reported every year, the vast majority go completely undetected. Most of the complex formations occur in the United Kingdom and they are also more likely to be detected because of the country's smaller land mass , therefore a large majority of researchers head to England every summer to conduct their independent research. But worldwide there are individuals in various countries, including the United States, that are recording the appearances of crop formations in their respective country in an attempt to learn more about their mysterious nature.



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Anonymous

Re: Crop Circles [Re: Swami]
    #485896 - 12/10/01 10:58 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Are we beginning to see a pattern emerge here?

Yes:

A. Humans exist on planet earth.
B. Humans are capable of making objects and patterns of great complexity.
C. These or similar patterns have been made by humans in other mediums.
D. Humans have been shown on video tape making crop circles.
E. It takes no special technology to bend flimsy grass stalks.

Therefore, there is no reason to believe that they were not made by humans.


There are several reasons to believe they were not made by humans:

In what kind of crops do they occur?Crop circles have been reported in mostly barley and wheat. But, they also appear in corn, oats, oilseed rape (canola), grass, ricefields, trees, sand, and even snow.

Where do they appear? They have appeared on almost every continent and in over 70 countries worldwide -- including the US, Canada, Australia, Brasil, Russia, India, Germany, and Italy. There seems to be a correlation with many forming near ancient sites.

Physical changes of plants and soil - not only does the physical appearance of seem to change (it looks dehydrated), but there is change at the molecular level. Research has been conducted over a ten year period with samples and thorough laboratory testing carried out by the biophysicist Dr. Levengood, Nancy Talbott, and John Burks -- the BLT Research Team, and a small army of volunteers worldwide. Their findings include enlarged cell walls, expulsion cavities in the nodes of the plant stalks, significantly extended node lengths, and changes to the soil composition (ie. vastly higher level of magnetite concentration) from samples taken within the crop formations in contrast to the control samples taken from outside the circles.
Reported increase in crop yield - Some farmers and researchers have independently reported greater yield in the years following the appearance of formations in their fields. In 1997, Tim Carson who farms East Field (where the "DNA" formation appeared in 1996) reported to researchers that his yield was up 30-40%. The increased yield that usually only comes with annual rehybridization (done in labs) remains the same level even in up to 5th generation crops coming from crop circles, according to researcher Steve Purkaple.

Swirl in multiple directions - many formations have complex woven patterns of the swirled crops. Not only do the plants in the formation swirl clockwise or counter-clockwise, but sometimes certain sections will swirl one direction and layers on top are going another direction. They sometimes even have multiple layers swirled in different directions.

Woven stalks - Other times the stalks are actually woven like a piece of loose cloth on the floor of the formation. This has been observed by various researchers in the UK.

Selective swirling - Even though the edges are clearly defined, sometimes stalks from the outside edge are pulled into the formation. This doesn't seem to be too unusual, but actually certain stalks from the middle of a grouping of plants gets pulled in. The ones closest to the formation do not. And this occurs around the entire edge of the crop circle. Very meticulous!

Equipment malfunctions - There have been numerous reports of electronic equipment failing in crop circles and compasses spinning out of control in & over the crop circles (when flying over in aircraft). This range of equipment includes watches, mobile phones, batteries, cameras... fortunately no pacemakers yet! No explanations for these occurences, other than the indication of a strong EM field distortions.

Emit sound at 5KHz frequency - Researchers have measured a distinct emission of energy at 5KHz eminating from fresh (few days after formed) crop circles. This corresponds to reports of eye-witnesses who often claim to hear a "trilling" sound coming from the direction of the formations.

Formations "transform" into new patterns - There have been instances where certain formations take on an entirely different appearance as they continue to grow in the field. For example, one formation got a wavy look within the center of the circle that wasn't there originally.

Anomalous EM measurements - By doing a fluxgate magnetometer survey of several formations, Colin Andrews determined that the very center of these circles measured 40-50 nano Teslas. This is 10 times the radiation level of a normal field.

Unusual bending of plant stalks - It's a widely publicized fact that plants within a formation actually bend at the naturally occuring nodes 90 degrees. This can also happen in hoaxed formations where the plant is pressed to the ground and "bends" to reach towards the light. This process known as phototropism is more pronounced in younger stalks, often reaching up towards the light in 1-2 days. However, what isn't well-known is that there is more than one possible place for bent nodes. Some formations have had stalks all bent from the same node (there are up to a half dozen nodes on one plant). Some formations show bending at the knuckle closest to the ground, yet in a neighboring section they all bend two knuckles up and so on. In the line of ~24 circles in Windmill Hill in 2000, virtually all the stalks were bent 1/4" beneath the nodes, though at completely different heights (1" to 6" range) from the ground. This means that each stalk would have to be bent individually to give that effect.

Occur far from any tramlines - many formations and plain circular "grapeshots" often occur in the middle of fields far from any tramlines without any disturbance of the surrounding crop (which is detectable). Good example is the 1996 formation in Basingstoke, Hampshire where a circle with a ring was put inside the middle of an organic oilseed rape field that had no tramlines at all and the crop was 4-5 feet tall!

Formations occur inside restricted areas - numerous accounts of crop circles appearing inside military installations that are fenced off (quite securely!) from the surrounding area. Most noteably in Wiltshire along the Salisbury Plain. Are Doug and Dave in the Army?

Geophysical features - One common denominator of many of the crop formations is that they occur over underground water supplies and land situated above chalk beds, according to researcher Steve Page. Water is a good conductor of electrical current, and could possibly be channeling the electromagnetic currents of the Earth (which is what dowsers attempt to detect). This observation may have something to do with how some crop circles are formed.

Sacred geometry - Researchers have discovered layers within layers of information contained in the crop circles themselves. There are sacred ratios, such as phi, that governs the growth process of all organic life. This is an area that requires more attention and resources, as perhaps this understanding could reveal a message or at least "higher intelligence" behind these artistic patterns.

Physical side effects - Many people mention having some sort of physical reaction (positive or negative) during and after a visit to a crop formation. Side effects range from nausea, headaches, dizziness, tingling sensations, pains amd giddiness... to getting literally knocked off their feet! Sometimes the effects are felt only after leaving the formation, such as sickness or disruption to the mentrual cycle, which could be affected by the surge of energies absorbed from within the formation.
Alignment with natural features of the land - This isn't apparent from the ground, but aerial photographs have shown that often formations are imprinted on the earth in alignment with tram lines or even darkened sections on the earth. This is an impossiblity without been able to see "the big picture" before permanently laying out the design.


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Anonymous

Re: Crop Circles [Re: cantara]
    #485905 - 12/10/01 11:24 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Ok, let me ask you this - how many crop circles were *reported* last year - or if you don't know, then how about 1999, the year that was featured in one of the links you sent? How many total crop circles were reported?

Hard numbers are hard to find, but averages can be determined.
So far this year(2001), 790 crop circles have been recorded from Canada and Afghanistan to Switzerland.
In 2000, over 3,000 crop circles were reported, 1,985 of these being in the UK.
In 1999, also over 2,000 crop circles were reported, more than 1,000 being in southern England alone.

Someone must be very busy. It would require a lot of effort to travel across the world over and over creating hundreds, even thousands of crop formations every year. These are just the ones that have been reported and recorded.


Edited by Shroomism (12/10/01 02:18 PM)


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Anonymous

Re: Crop Circles [Re: Swami]
    #485918 - 12/10/01 11:52 AM (22 years, 2 months ago)

This is what is classically known as a strawman argument. As if Doug and Dave are the only two human beings capable of tramping down grass

Really, there is much more involved than tramping down grass. Doug and Dave aren't the only humans who can create them, but they are the ones who claimed to have made every crop circle since 1978. Yet they have failed to ever provide proof of making one of the ones they claim they made. There is also Team Satan, who claims to have made most of the newest crop circles. An exerpt from an article on them:

Since 1994 a group of three artists has laid claim to some of England's most elaborate crop circles. The group originally named Team Satan has since changed its name to 'The circlemakers'- a name seemingly adopted to cause maximum confusion; after all, the real Circlemakers have been involved in making crop circles around the world as far back as the late 1800s, some supported by eyewitness reports claiming that an invisible whorl motion, lasting under fifteen seconds, flattens the crop in spiral fashion, without damaging the plants.

When a massive crop circle materialized beneath the gaze of Stonehenge in 1996, it was alledged by one of their close friends that the group made the said fractal pattern- a representation of the computer-generated Julia Set fratal- despite the fact that two pilots, a security guard and a gamekeeper all claim the formation appeared within a fifteen minute window one Sunday afternoon. It subsequently took a team of eleven surveyors five hours just to measure the design.

The same claim appears to have been made on a pattern three times the size at Windmill Hill, since its blueprint now adorns the home page of their web site- all this despite the logistics requiring a circle to be made approximately every 58 seconds. A surveying company who analyzed the site quoted a minimum of five days just to mark the site alone.

No wonder that with their ability to bend the rules of physics, levitate above the untouched wheat and master the laws of invisibility, 'the circlemakers' have since become media darlings, gaining commissions from the BBC and Sky Television, even Mitsubishi, for whom they made a crop circle shaped like a van over the course of two days, requiring the use of daylight and police protection.

At the end of the 1998 season they were commissioned by the BBC to construct a simple roulette of 100 circles (above left), without getting caught. As it turns out, they were caught within the first few minutes of their endeavour, proving just how hard it is to hoax patterns in the English countryside. Even in the dark. The final design, based on straighforward ninefold geometry, failed to reproduce any of the unusual biophysical and electromagnetic features already proved to exist in the real phenomenon; even the geometry itself was flawed. Despite the hit-and -miss result, this is Team Satan/the circlemakers best attempt at generating a pattern that almost fits the unalterable laws of sacred geometry, although it has taken them five years to get this far.



In the summer of 1999 'the circlemakers' were sponsored by the Daily Mail to create a crop formation beside Avebury stone circle. The triangle format, containing 33 rough circles and incised with straight edges, was supposed to depict the 3-D illusion often referred to as Necker's Cube.

Despite the effort, the damage caused by the trampling of plants quickly showed how people systematically fail to leave them undamaged; from the above analysis, the geometry shows just how far off alignment the simple design is.

We can see a classic comparison between hoaxers' work and the genuine phenomenon: above right, a fabulous example from 1994, the year the hoaxers claim to have started, and ironically also placed beside the famous stone circle. This pattern is visually far more complex than the 1999 hoax design, suggesting that the hoaxers are getting worse at their craft in relation to their experience! While the latter is merely a design without meaning, the 'spider's web' design, by contrast, incorporates the harmonic laws of sound frequency, as proved by experiments in cymatics during the 1960s.

The 'spider's web' crop circle also encodes Hawkins' Fifth Theorem- part of a series of new mathematical theorems discovered in crop circles. These are based on the works of Euclid, yet these theorems are missing from Euclid's thirteen Treatises on Mathematics- the foundation of our system today. Additionally, this design is encoded with diatonic ratios- mathematical fractions fundamental to the music scale, and the chances of anyone hitting these by accident are one million to one.

How is it possible these forgers have the ability to encode such complex information one night, yet fail miserably the next, even with the aid of light?



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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485928 - 12/10/01 12:11 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

This site's pretty nicely designed & quite interesting for the topic, too - it's the site of the Circlemakers, as mentioned above:

www.circlemakers.org


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485936 - 12/10/01 12:25 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

There are several reasons to believe they were not made by humans:
In what kind of crops do they occur?Crop circles have been reported in mostly barley and wheat. But, they also appear in corn, oats, oilseed rape (canola), grass, ricefields, trees, sand, and even snow.

Hey that is truly convincing. Don't even see a point here.

Specifically, notice that there have been no "snow circles" photographed in the Antarctic where no humans live.

Where do they appear? They have appeared on almost every continent and in over 70 countries worldwide -- including the US, Canada, Australia, Brasil, Russia, India, Germany, and Italy. There seems to be a correlation with many forming near ancient sites.
Here you agree with me. Crop circles appear where humans live - no big surprise. And of course a hoax appears more mysterious if found in the vicinity of some ancient site.

0 for 2 so far...

Physical changes of plants and soil - not only does the physical appearance of seem to change (it looks dehydrated)...
Yup. That is the way that dead grass looks.

Some farmers and researchers have independently reported greater yield in the years following the appearance of formations in their fields.
And some had a lesser yield. NO causal link has been established. This is normal fluctuation.

Not only do the plants in the formation swirl clockwise or counter-clockwise...
Yes, we agree on that. They must swirl in one direction or another. Solid proof of alien handiwork.

Woven stalks ...
Even primitive humans are capable of weaving - no 25th century technolgy there.

Formations "transform" into new patterns
Are you saying it is impossible for humans to modify their artwork? This is done all the time.

Formations occur inside restricted areas - numerous accounts of crop circles appearing inside military installations that are fenced off (quite securely!) from the surrounding area.
So what? I was in the service and we were bored to tears. We used to direct our search radar towards the cops sitting outside the base waiting in their speed-traps. The strong energy would blow their crystals. It is called a "prank".

Colin Andrews determined that the very center of these circles measured 40-50 nano Teslas.
And other unbiased (meaning no circuit tour or books to hype) researchers found no such thing.

This means that each stalk would have to be bent individually to give that effect.
Not at all. It means uneven pressure and non-precision equipment - ie. a 2 * 4. Aliens are know for high precision work, therefore it must be human. Check out trees after a hurricane - they break at all different heights - therefore hurricanes are alien-induced?

Sacred geometry
Sacred to whom? To humans of course! We can recognize these because they were created by humans.

Sometimes the effects are felt only after leaving the formation, such as sickness
You may actually have something here. I once visited a crop circle in Iowa (one that slipped through the goverment's WOCC [War on Crop Circles]. And amazingly 5 months later I got the flu!

BTW, I brought my watch, a compass and a radio into the center. All worked perfectly fine as expected.



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Anonymous

Re: Crop Circles [Re: Swami]
    #485955 - 12/10/01 12:36 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Ok I've decided not to even bother arguing with you about this. Years of dedicated research and facts are chopped to pieces by you in a matter of minutes. You fail to reply to anything of the changes in soil composition, cell structure, etc...responding to fragments of the message instead of the whole message i.e picking and choosing (taking a sentence out of a paragraph and responding to it, ignoring the rest of the message)
While I would love to sit here and argue with you back and forth about the many details of this subject, its not worth my time and energy.


Edited by Shroomism (12/10/01 12:43 PM)


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485988 - 12/10/01 01:00 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

You fail to reply to anything of the changes in soil composition, cell structure,
Would love to see chromatagraphs done on soil samples by a reputable scientist in a reputable lab.

A TV special a few years back said it all. They had 3 prominent Crop Circle researchers check out a circle. All 3 procalimed it be be genuine according to their myriad of tests (shaken, not stirred; bent - not broken, radiation, etc.)

Then they were shown a film of a dozen volunteers who had made the Crop Circle in a virgin field. The film documented the ENTIRE process from start to finish.

When shown the film, one researcher admitted that it was indeed fake and that he had been mistaken. The other two
flatly refused to admit that they were wrong.

If the best CC researchers can be fooled by a hoax, then there is nothing more to say on the subject!


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Anonymous

Re: Crop Circles [Re: Swami]
    #486007 - 12/10/01 01:14 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)



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Anonymous

Re: Crop Circles [Re: Swami]
    #486085 - 12/10/01 02:14 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Would love to see chromatagraphs done on soil samples by a reputable scientist in a reputable lab.


http://www.21stcenturyradio.com/12-talbott.html
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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #486155 - 12/10/01 03:21 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

He said reputable scientists, not ones that are finding data to fit their beliefs.


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #486195 - 12/10/01 04:05 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)














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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Anonymous]
    #486211 - 12/10/01 04:27 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

OMG! It's Shroomism!

Anyways.. About the Crop Circles, I got some serious body tingles. That's as far as evidence goes for me. I don't dispute the research, nor do I believe it. I will when an ET decides to communicate with me.

Hey, Shroomism, is there a way you could ask your ET friends to come speak with me? :O)

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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ArCh_TemPlaR]
    #486219 - 12/10/01 04:38 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Hey, Shroomism, is there a way you could ask your ET friends to come speak with me?

You'd probably get better results asking them yourself.


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #486224 - 12/10/01 04:46 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

I like the way the alien in that one picture is EXACTLY what Hollywood depicts as an alien.


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Anonymous

Re: Crop Circles [Re: spreadhead]
    #486227 - 12/10/01 04:49 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

Me too


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #486242 - 12/10/01 05:02 PM (22 years, 2 months ago)

You'd probably get better results asking them yourself.

In my case, it's not going to happen unless I get a big zap. Like getting hit by lightning..


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