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Anonymous

Re: Crop Circles [Re: wintertime]
    #485347 - 12/09/01 07:18 PM (22 years, 11 months ago)

It has often been said that a picture speaks a thousand words.

Here are some quotes taken from various sources:

Currently, not everyone agrees as to their origins; the explanations range from hoaxes to aliens to other supernatural forces such as radiation or even ghosts. The problem, however, lies not in determining their origin, but in assessing these circles as a form of art. Since most people define art as a human activity, we will assume that humans create these circles. According to John Lundberg, a circle-maker, the art of circle making lies in "being able to construct something that many people believe to be beyond human endeavor." Like many other forms of art, the ability of crop circles to affect people deeply gives them their beauty. People report a variety of effects of visiting these circles ranging from religious experiences to being fear-struck. Also, these circles often convey, or appear to convey deep meaning such as pleas against nuclear power, or supernatural connotations. Because of their significance to many people and the deep meaning that they convey, crop circles qualify as an art form.

Not only do crop circles show the same effects on viewers as do most art forms, but they often have even greater effects on these people. After visiting crop circles, many people report physical effects such as extreme giddiness, to even nausea, or even "getting literally knocked off their feet" ("Peculiarities of Crop Circles"). In addition to these rather unusual physical effects, many people enjoy the religious, and mystical aspect to these circles such as such as legends similar to those that surround the nearby site of Stonehenge. Yet these paranormal phenomena do not constitute the whole of the significance of crop circles. Circle watchers, as experts often call them, usually visit crop circles for their simple beauty, and their paradoxically simple complexity. Crop circles consist solely of trodden down wheat, corn, or barley, yet the patterns that they form often baffle even the experts in their originality and intricacy.

As they lay their carefully planned patterns in the grass of living fields, crop circle artists convey symbolic and artistic meaning through their work. Do these circle makers have to convey a message? Do they have to do so symbolically? Do they even have to be human? The answer to all of these questions is a definite no. Yet the majority of circle makers perform their work as an artist does. And those who do not follow the "rules" simply add to the mystery surrounding this form of art.

"They are like dreams, to interrogate them is to force them to lie., to interpret them is to diminish their richness, to explain them is to misunderstand them? Crop circles are like mouths that speak to us of the strangeness and depth of things -- speak to the heart more than the head, and to the soul more than the heart."
--Patrick Harpur ("Field of Dreams?", 128)

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Anonymous

Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485356 - 12/09/01 07:34 PM (22 years, 11 months ago)

Some more images for your viewing pleasure...





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Anonymous

Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485366 - 12/09/01 07:43 PM (22 years, 11 months ago)

And these were all done by school boys with planks of wood and rope? Quite laughable.

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Anonymous

Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485401 - 12/09/01 08:09 PM (22 years, 11 months ago)

wow those are pretty amazing pictures. Shroomism, you have a way to move people into believing what you say, maybe you should start a cult!! ........... just kiddin.. keep showing the good stuff =)

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Anonymous

Re: Crop Circles [Re: wintertime]
    #485407 - 12/09/01 08:13 PM (22 years, 11 months ago)

Real
(I'd like to see a team of two guys make this 648 foot long circle in under an hour with planks of wood and some rope)




Fake



Real



Faked (This is what you can accomplish with some pieces of wood)




Real

This 915 foot fractal spiral formation appeared next to Stonehenge in Wiltshire on the 7th of July, 1996, and consisted of 151 circles. Amazingly, the formation appeared within a half hour time window as a pilot flew over the field at 5:30pm and saw nothing, and when he returned at 6:00pm, it had appeared. A hoaxing competition held in 1992 showed that a formation of this complexity could not be created by humans in such a short space of time.



Are we beginning to see a pattern emerge here? Or are they still made by a team of two guys named Doug and Dave who travel the world from New Zealand to England and back again in a day just to fake some crop formations?


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Anonymous

Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485411 - 12/09/01 08:17 PM (22 years, 11 months ago)

wow those are pretty amazing pictures. Shroomism, you have a way to move people into believing what you say, maybe you should start a cult!! ........... just kiddin.. keep showing the good stuff =)


I'm not trying to move people into believing anything I say, I'm only trying to point out the blatantly obvious.

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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485424 - 12/09/01 08:29 PM (22 years, 11 months ago)

Why are 90% of the world's crop circles found in England? The aliens don't really like much diversity in their travel destinations, eh?



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Anonymous

Re: Crop Circles [Re: cantara]
    #485430 - 12/09/01 08:33 PM (22 years, 11 months ago)

90% of the reported crop circles are in England.
I'll take a stab and say because England has plenty of fields and welcomes such activity.
But hey, I'm not the one making them..why don't you ask them?

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Invisiblecantara
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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485435 - 12/09/01 08:37 PM (22 years, 11 months ago)

Well, when you say England "welcomes such activity", what do you mean?  I'd hazard a guess there are more fields and total area for crop circle activity in the US than in England, yet 90% of the crop circles happen there? 

And, I can't ask them - you are the one who is in contact with them :smile: which is exactly why I asked you.  I'd be interested to know, if these crop circles are the work of aliens, why they virtually refuse to venture outside the UK to do their thing.



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Invisiblecantara
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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485438 - 12/09/01 08:41 PM (22 years, 11 months ago)

The music that exists on the websites you linked to, that is derived from the crop circles - is it your position that that music is "inherent" or intentionally implied in it - by which I mean, if, say, a different team of people with different computers and algorithms fed the exact same image into their program, would they come up with identical music? And if NOT, then what you're saying is that the music aspect is very open to interpretation and human intervention, would you agree?

That rigidly mathematical, geometric, symmetrical, etc. patterns/images would be able to be translated to music is certainly nothing new or indicative of anything, I would think.



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Anonymous

Re: Crop Circles [Re: cantara]
    #485442 - 12/09/01 08:44 PM (22 years, 11 months ago)

There are plenty of crop formations in the US, they are just never available to the media. On one occassion a farmer in upper new york noticed a crop formation in his field and called the news to tell them of it...within minutes a police officer showed up and offered him a thousand dollars to cut it down, which he accepted. Incidents similar to this have happened God knows how many times, since the US government is hell bent on hiding this type of thing from their public's virgin eyes. They are quite common in Canada as well, where they are not so repressed.
In England they love this stuff, people show up at crop circles to go inside it, news choppers show up to take pictures, and even the cops join in the fray. So my guess would be that 90% of the circles that are reported or shown to the public are in England because they do not try to cover it up at all.

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Invisiblecantara
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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485450 - 12/09/01 08:47 PM (22 years, 11 months ago)

Ok, let me ask you this - how many crop circles were *reported* last year - or if you don't know, then how about 1999, the year that was featured in one of the links you sent? How many total crop circles were reported?


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485456 - 12/09/01 08:49 PM (22 years, 11 months ago)

So it's your position, then, that crop circles anywhere except England are, for the most part, cut, burned, or otherwise "erased" before anyone in, say, a passing airplane sees them, and never reported?



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Invisibledjfrog
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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485483 - 12/09/01 09:18 PM (22 years, 11 months ago)

*cough*cough*HOAX*cough*HOAX*cough*cough*

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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485496 - 12/09/01 09:39 PM (22 years, 11 months ago)

And these were all done by school boys with planks of wood and rope? Quite laughable.

No, the logical explanation is that aliens came from a trillion miles away to tramp in our fields as they had no other 'canvas" for their quite human-looking geometric patterns.


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485512 - 12/09/01 09:57 PM (22 years, 11 months ago)

Are we beginning to see a pattern emerge here?

Yes:

A. Humans exist on planet earth.
B. Humans are capable of making objects and patterns of great complexity.
C. These or similar patterns have been made by humans in other mediums.
D. Humans have been shown on video tape making crop circles.
E. It takes no special technology to bend flimsy grass stalks.

Therefore, there is no reason to believe that they were not made by humans.

Or are they still made by a team of two guys named Doug and Dave who travel the world from New Zealand to England and back again in a day just to fake some crop formations?

This is what is classically known as a strawman argument. As if Doug and Dave are the only two human beings capable of tramping down grass - really shroomism, you are getting weaker and weaker in your postings.





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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Crop Circles [Re: ]
    #485516 - 12/09/01 10:01 PM (22 years, 11 months ago)

Shroomism, you have a way to move people into believing what you say..

Please speak only for yourself.


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Re: Crop Circles [Re: cantara]
    #485519 - 12/09/01 10:05 PM (22 years, 11 months ago)

Stop it! Stop it! No more logic!


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Invisibledjfrog
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Re: Crop Circles [Re: Swami]
    #485524 - 12/09/01 10:11 PM (22 years, 11 months ago)

*cough*cough*

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Anonymous

Re: Crop Circles [Re: djfrog]
    #485572 - 12/09/01 11:05 PM (22 years, 11 months ago)

you might want to have that cough checked out...

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