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28 reasons not to eat meat
    #4839577 - 10/22/05 10:06 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

28 reasons not to eat meat

1. Number of human beings who could be fed annually by the grain and soybeans eaten by U.S. livestock: 1,300,000,000

2. Number of people who will starve to death this year: 60,000,000

3. Number of people would could be adequately fed by the grain saved if Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10 percent: 60,000,000

4. Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce one pound of feedlot beef: 16

5. Number of pure vegetarians who can be fed on the amount of land needed to feed one meat-eating person: 20

6. Percentage of protein wasted by cycling grain through livestock: 90

7. Percentage of carbohydrate wasted by cycling grain through livestock: 99

8. Percentage of dietary fiber wasted by cycling grain through livestock: 100

9. Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on 1 acre of land: 20,000. Pounds of beef that can be produced on 1 acre of land: 165

10. Reason veal is so tender: calves are never allowed to take a single step

11. Reason veal is whitish pink: calves are force-fed an anemia-producing diet

12.The McDonald?s clown, Ronald McDonald, tells children: ?Hamburgers grow in hamburger patches and love to be eaten.? Ronald McDonald doesn?t tell children: ?Hamburgers are ground of cows who?ve had their throats slit by machetes or their brains bashed in by sledgehammers.?

13. Number of animals killed for meat per hour in the United States: 50,000

14. Occupation with highest employee-turnover rate in the United States: slaughterhouse worker

15. Occupation with highest employee rate of injury in the United States: slaughterhouse worker.

16. Cost to render an animal unconscious prior to slaughter so that process is done humanely: 1 cent. Reason given by meat industry for not utilizing captive bolt pistol: too expensive

17. Percentage of antibiotics produced in this country used in livestock feeds: 55

18. Production of excrement by total U.S. human population: 12,000 pounds per second. Production of excrement by U.S. livestock: 250,000 pounds per second.

19. Percentage of harmful organic waste-water pollution attributable to U.S. human population: 10. Percentage of harmful organic waste-water pollution attributable to U.S. livestock: 90

20. Enough water goes into the feeding and care of the average cow to: float a destroyer

21. Water needed to produce a pound of wheat: 25 gallons. Water needed to produce a pound of meat: 2,500 gallons

22. Number of acres of U.S. forest that have been cleared to create cropland to produce a meat-centered diet: 260,000,000

23. How often an acre of trees disappears in this country: every 5 seconds

24. At the present rate of deforestation, number of years before not a single tree will remain standing in the United States: 50

25. Amount of trees spared per year by each individual who switches to a pure vegetarian diet: 1 acre

26. Most common cause of death in the United States: heart attack. risk of death from heart attack by average American man: 50 percent. Risk of death from heart attack by an average American man consuming a pure vegetarian diet: 4 percent

27. Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat daily compared to women who eat meat less than once a week: four times higher

28. Leading source of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet: meat- 55 percent. Total pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by vegetables: 6 percent. Total pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by fruits: 4 percent. Total pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by grains: 1 percent.

WHAT YOU CAN DO: STOP EATING MEAT OR REDUCE YOUR CONSUMPTION. IF AND WHEN YOU DO EAT MEAT, SELECT ORGANICALLY FED, HUMANELY TREATED, RANGE FREE BEEF OR POULTRY.
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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Shroomism]
    #4839745 - 10/22/05 11:08 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

20. Enough water goes into the feeding and care of the average cow to: float a destroyer

21. Water needed to produce a pound of wheat: 25 gallons. Water needed to produce a pound of meat: 2,500 gallons

You do know that earth has had roughly the same amount of water for the past couple billion years right? Do you drive a car? what about the 40+ thousand gallons of water required to make your tires, yet alone the rest of you car.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Shroomism]
    #4839769 - 10/22/05 11:15 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

29. Punishment for your taste buds.
30. To impress women that don't shower.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Shroomism] * 1
    #4839794 - 10/22/05 11:20 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Oh my god.. Shroomism that is cute copy+paste job, but that is simply propaganda and doesn't belong here. Not only is it propaganda, but nearly all of those points are moot if you want to talk science and economics.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Shroomism]
    #4840263 - 10/23/05 01:40 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Reasons to eat meat:

1.

2.

3.


oh and one thing that's sort of retarded about that list you posted is that none of it pertains to SEAFOOD


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #4840269 - 10/23/05 01:48 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

:drooling:

Where is that second picture from?


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: daimyo]
    #4840503 - 10/23/05 04:14 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I could really go for some veil now.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #4840511 - 10/23/05 04:22 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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oh and one thing that's sort of retarded about that list you posted is that none of it pertains to SEAFOOD




Its okay to eat fish. They don't have any feelings.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #4840556 - 10/23/05 05:15 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

mmm :thumbup:


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Shroomism]
    #4840582 - 10/23/05 05:50 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4840735 - 10/23/05 09:07 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

haha. I knew this thread would get some panties in a bunch.

Quote:

Rustifer said:
You do know that earth has had roughly the same amount of water for the past couple billion years right?




Yes, yes I do.

Quote:

Do you drive a car?




No, no I do not.

Quote:

what about the 40+ thousand gallons of water required to make your tires, yet alone the rest of you car.




Waste of water


Ok Looner, I'll bite. Please explain why all my points (which have been so neatly copy and pasted) are moot, and propoganda. Please back it up with scientific evidence. You do realize the cattle industry and the agriculture to sustain that cattle industry is largely responsible for us only having less than half of an Amazon Rainforest now right? I suppose you're right... we would be *much* better off without an Amazon Rainforest, the area of the most abundant and diverse lifeforms in the world.

I'm not saying meat is evil. I'm saying the obsessive meat industry and it's massive consumption without regard for anything is fucking insane.

LiquidSmock, last I checked they don't clearcut rainforests to farm fish.
Nor does the fishing industry produce a percentage of the waste that the beef and poultry industry does. Plus fish is good for you.


I can think of a few more points. Lactic Acid. Gall stones. Fat People. Heart Attacks. Do some research. Rustifier is the only one who made a good argument.


You guys all missed the main point.

1. Number of human beings who could be fed annually by the grain and soybeans eaten by U.S. livestock: 1,300,000,000

2. Number of people who will starve to death this year: 60,000,000

3. Number of people would could be adequately fed by the grain saved if Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10 percent: 60,000,000


You can feed 7 vegetarians with the grain it takes to produce enough meat to feed 1 meat eater.

But I guess that's what defines America. Excess, consumption, Greed..not giving a fuck.

"Who cares who starves to death.. as long as I have my filet mignon"

I'm not saying don't eat meat, I'm not preaching. I fucking eat meat. I'm just giving you guys the facts. No need to get all pissy.

Maybe you guys need more fruits and vegetables in your diet.. sounds like you're lacking some :wink:


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Shroomism]
    #4840795 - 10/23/05 09:37 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

The cow is a worthless animal.. Other than dairy production we would have no use for cows if we didnt eat them..

Soooo by eating beef we are effectively keeping cows from going extinct.

So eat some beef you hippy or your supporting the extinction of an entire species.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: GabbaDj]
    #4840814 - 10/23/05 09:52 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

nice post, Shroomism. I agree; eating meat is not a horrible evil, but there's no reason to go overboard on it. It would help humanity as a whole if we cut back on our meat consumption, thus providing more land for growing grain that is a much more efficient food. And as for GabbaDj's post, Shroomism wasn't saying that we should stop eating meat altogether, so no, he isn't advocating the extinction of cows.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: laotzu]
    #4840818 - 10/23/05 09:54 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

or she isn't advocating the extinction of cows; i'm not sure if Shroomism is a man or a woman.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: GabbaDj]
    #4840841 - 10/23/05 10:01 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Cows going extinct? Yeah right. There's more cows than there are humans.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: laotzu]
    #4840867 - 10/23/05 10:10 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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or she isn't advocating the extinction of cows; i'm not sure if Shroomism is a man or a woman.




Nobody is :tongue:


Anyway..  What would we do with them all?  They make terrible pets and they cant be set free. 

They would all be slaughtered to free space for grain farms.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Shroomism]
    #4840879 - 10/23/05 10:15 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

lol, i know you weren't making a serious point, but just for the record, there's only about 1.3 billion cows in the world compared to the 6.5 billion people in the world :wink:


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Shroomism]
    #4840884 - 10/23/05 10:15 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Im a vegi and I hate people...


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: GabbaDj]
    #4840893 - 10/23/05 10:18 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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Nobody is :tongue:


Anyway..  What would we do with them all?  They make terrible pets and they cant be set free. 

They would all be slaughtered to free space for grain farms.




Well, if people cut back on meat consumption, farmers would gradually cut back on how many cows they bred. So yes, cows would die in order to make room for grain fields, but eventually, we would reach a good equilibrium point.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: laotzu]
    #4840899 - 10/23/05 10:21 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

What is stupid is todays cow is not a natural animal. They were made by crazy breeding. An American cow would naturally die out if left on their own because they are not real animals they do not fit the rules of natural selection...


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: laotzu]
    #4840902 - 10/23/05 10:21 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

lol, i wish dennis leary was here to read this thread.

and if u dont eat meat, you become a pussy.

besides, every vegitarean i know who doesnt eat meat and takes everything u get from meat in pill form looks kinda... UNHEALTHY. by that i mean pale, skinny or fat(never in between), they fart alot and it smells alot more than meat farts, and they act like a bunch of fucking pussies.

they come with me to a taco bell or something and ill be like, sooo good, all they'll eat is the potatoes w/ cheese on them. ill be like, want some of my chalupa? they'll be like, EEEEEW THATS SO NASTY. THINK OF ALL THE DEAD ANIMALS. well, hear this, the animal is gonna die anyways. im just making use of it so some asshole doesnt take one bite of it and throws it away in the trash.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: KidgardFromSRQ]
    #4840919 - 10/23/05 10:28 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

KidgardFromSRQ

It sounds like you don't get out much. That is not how vegetarianism is at all. I have been a vegi since elementary school my farts don't smell any worse then anyone else's. I take no pills to substitute animals. I weigh 180 pounds and can run 25 miles without even thinking about it. And I personally don't eat at restaurants and I think cheese should not be Allowed on the VEGI diet because it is not a vegi.

I am not a fad vegi, I believe in it. I'm not some tini-bopper kid trying to be cool which it sounds like to me is the only kind of vegi's you have seen.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Shroomism]
    #4840950 - 10/23/05 10:40 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

1. Number of human beings who could be fed annually by the grain and soybeans eaten by U.S. livestock: 1,300,000,000

2. Number of people who will starve to death this year: 60,000,000

3. Number of people would could be adequately fed by the grain saved if Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10 percent: 60,000,000

4. Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce one pound of feedlot beef: 16

5. Number of pure vegetarians who can be fed on the amount of land needed to feed one meat-eating person: 20


1,2,3  We should send them starving people some cows.

4,  Who wants to eat 16lbs of soybeans?

5,  Thats because Vegetarians are soo weak and tiny, they take up less room than us beefed up meat eaters.

6. Percentage of protein wasted by cycling grain through livestock: 90

7. Percentage of carbohydrate wasted by cycling grain through livestock: 99

8. Percentage of dietary fiber wasted by cycling grain through livestock: 100


6,7,8  None of this is wasted.  It is consumed by the animal to fatten it up so it tastes better.

9. Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on 1 acre of land: 20,000. Pounds of beef that can be produced on 1 acre of land: 165

9, is seriously flawed.  My Mormon friends family has a 5 acre hobby farm.  They raise 5 cows on 2 acres, slaughtering 2 every year and buying new ones to replace them...    They have plenty of room for 5 cows on 2 acres and every year they produce more than 500lbs of usable beef.  Not to mention several dozen yards of hide and other offal.

10. Reason veal is so tender: calves are never allowed to take a single step

11. Reason veal is whitish pink: calves are force-fed an anemia-producing diet


Good, so they take up much less space and eat no grain.  Sounds like win win.

12.The McDonald?s clown, Ronald McDonald, tells children: ?Hamburgers grow in hamburger patches and love to be eaten.? Ronald McDonald doesn?t tell children: ?Hamburgers are ground of cows who?ve had their throats slit by machetes or their brains bashed in by sledgehammers.?

13. Number of animals killed for meat per hour in the United States: 50,000

14. Occupation with highest employee-turnover rate in the United States: slaughterhouse worker

15. Occupation with highest employee rate of injury in the United States: slaughterhouse worker.

16. Cost to render an animal unconscious prior to slaughter so that process is done humanely: 1 cent. Reason given by meat industry for not utilizing captive bolt pistol: too expensive


12,  Mmmmmmmmm  Hamburger Patches.... :rolleyes:
13, One Aggravated Assault every 34 seconds
One Property  Crime every 3 seconds
One Violent Crime every 22 seconds
One Larceny Theft every 5 seconds
One Auto Theft every 27 seconds
One Burglary every 15 seconds
One Murder every 34 minutes
One Robbery every 1 minute
One Rape every 6 minutes
Whats your point?
14, Not true, Retail and Restaurant workers slaughter the turnover rate.
15, Restaurant workers have the highest employee injury rate and highest emergency room visits than any other job.
Plus meat packers and slaughter house workers are some of the highest paid workers in the country with benefits and union protections.
16,  The bolt pistol is used in ALL slaughter houses governed by the USDA.  Only kosher meat is slaughtered by slitting the throat as per the Kosher guidelignes and sledgehammers, well thats just silly..

17. Percentage of antibiotics produced in this country used in livestock feeds: 55
I wonder what percent of pestacides manufactured is used to kill bugs in grain fields?

18. Production of excrement by total U.S. human population: 12,000 pounds per second. Production of excrement by U.S. livestock: 250,000 pounds per second.

19. Percentage of harmful organic waste-water pollution attributable to U.S. human population: 10. Percentage of harmful organic waste-water pollution attributable to U.S. livestock: 90

20. Enough water goes into the feeding and care of the average cow to: float a destroyer

21. Water needed to produce a pound of wheat: 25 gallons. Water needed to produce a pound of meat: 2,500 gallons

22. Number of acres of U.S. forest that have been cleared to create cropland to produce a meat-centered diet: 260,000,000

23. How often an acre of trees disappears in this country: every 5 seconds

24. At the present rate of deforestation, number of years before not a single tree will remain standing in the United States: 50

25. Amount of trees spared per year by each individual who switches to a pure vegetarian diet: 1 acre


18-25 FACT...  Cows drink and crap.

Treehugger :grin:

26. Most common cause of death in the United States: heart attack. risk of death from heart attack by average American man: 50 percent. Risk of death from heart attack by an average American man consuming a pure vegetarian diet: 4 percent

27. Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat daily compared to women who eat meat less than once a week: four times higher


We all take risks and cows are soooo tasty. :crazy2:


28. Leading source of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet: meat- 55 percent. Total pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by vegetables: 6 percent. Total pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by fruits: 4 percent. Total pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by grains: 1 percent.


I suspect that this one is just wrong..  But who knows...


The economic value of the American beef association far outweighs any argument of "healthy living".    We are all far better off having a viable and functioning beef and poultry industry.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: GabbaDj]
    #4841006 - 10/23/05 11:00 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

14. Occupation with highest employee-turnover rate in the United States: slaughterhouse worker

14, Not true, Retail and Restaurant workers slaughter the turnover rate.

Well, the industry average for slaughterhouse turnover rates is above 75%. On one website that I was reading, a spokesman for one slaughterhouse acknowledged that the turnover rate at his plant is about 80%, and that that was actually a decline in turnover rate since the 1990s.

I don't know what the turnover rate is in the restaurant and retail industries, but i'm guessing it's not as high as 80%. If I'm wrong, well... holy shit, that's a high turnover rate in the retail/restaurant industry.

Also, I think point #3 really makes a strong argument. Reducing meat consumption by 10% isn't crazy... in fact, it's probably a good idea for health reasons. and you still get plenty of tasty cow in that 90% that you have left. And damn, if reducing meat consumption by 10% saves 60 million people, well, that sounds like a good idea to me.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: laotzu]
    #4841014 - 10/23/05 11:03 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

p.s. i'm getting pretty hungry now. i think i'm going to get lunch... which i think will include a cheeseburger  :grin: just not a double cheeseburger.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Shroomism]
    #4841088 - 10/23/05 11:28 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

yeah but your thread said "not to eat meat" which includes seafood.

the majority of your points only have to do with beef and lamb. It says nothing about the environmental benefits of switching to buffalo meat, or poultry, etc.

Of course its true you can save alot more just by eating vegetables, but who the hell would want to do that?

Also, becoming a full blown vegetarian, you do have to take various supplements to make up for various vitamine deficiencies and protein deficiencies. I'll stick with my loin chops thank you very much.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: daimyo]
    #4841095 - 10/23/05 11:30 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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:drooling:

Where is that second picture from?




from Fatburger

a local fast food branch only found in the los angeles/orange county area.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #4841112 - 10/23/05 11:35 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Also, becoming a full blown vegetarian, you do have to take various supplements to make up for various vitamine deficiencies and protein deficiencies.




If by various supplements... you mean nuts and grains.. then I agree.
myth. Most full vegetarians just don't know how to eat properly to get complete proteins in their diet.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #4841129 - 10/23/05 11:38 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Fuck!  I have to come all the way out there to get one of them...How bout you mail me one?  No, you might add some sort of "special" sauce :evil:

I'll just have to come visit.  What else do they have good there?


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Shroomism]
    #4841168 - 10/23/05 11:50 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

It's not a myth that the majority of strict vegetarians are at risk of vitamin deficiencies.

Things like vitamin B 12 you can only find trace amounts in vegetables, and the primary source for it is red meats and egg. But they have supplemented grains and cereals with it.

But there are still numerous hospital cases where patients suffering from pernicious anemia end up being strict vegetarians. It's a medical fact.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #4841921 - 10/23/05 03:40 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Today Ive cut up over 1000lbs of delicious cow.

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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Shroomism]
    #4841932 - 10/23/05 03:44 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

the bleeding heart points are moot because they don't take
into account the fact that just because you don't have cows
doesn't mean you can feed the world.

the farmers would have to be able to sell that grain at
equal or greater values now that the cattle market does not
use it, which is demand unlikely to be magically displaced,
even with people eating less meat.

furthermore, you couldn't just save the world without first
considering the logistics of getting all that grain to all
those starving mouths. if there's no money in it, there's
no way these people are going to produce the product or
sell it for that matter.

so while moving from beef to grain would compensate for some
of the loss in demand, it would not account for all of it.
furthermore, the surplus would not be magically whisked around
the world or continued to be produced so essentially 1-5 are
pie in the sky points.

6-8 are statistical tricks used to further prey on your emotions
after 1-5 got you all teary-eyed. 9 is similar...great, you can
produce enough potatoes to put a lot of people into a carb
coma...but again, there's no market for them so it doesn't really
matter what you do with that empty cattle lot.

10-16...more bleeding heart bullshit.

sorry about the calves, sucks to be a slaughterhouse worker and
a few courses in business tell you why ronald doesn't say where
the cheeseburgers really come from and why 1 penny over millions
of cows actually does add up to a noteworthy expense.

so here we are...point 17 out of 28...over half way there and we
haven't seen much besides bad economics and bleeding heart b.s.

the National Agriculture Statistics Serivice noted that "all cattle
and calves in the U. S. and Canada combined totaled 121.8 million
head on July 1, 2005"

http://usda.mannlib.cornell.edu/reports/nassr/livestock/uscc/uscc0805.txt

the United States has a population of about 295 million.

taking into consideration the populations but just as importantly,
the digestive processes of these animals, points 17 through 21
are more of the same mathematics executed on a large scale in an
effort to woo you with the grandeur of the sum when in reality
nothing there is far from expected.

ask yourself...is there a drought in my area...is that drought
being caused by the local cattle industry.

the answer is probably 'no'.

22-25 border on disingenuity, where in the western cattle states have
we removed a forest in the last 20 years? where was that 260 million
acres? are there any sources?

Plus, the scare tactic ... no more forests bit is a lark, national and
state parks guarantee forests in perpetuity.

ladies and gentlemen, when you scrape away the bleeding heart
liberalism, statistical chicanery and shockmath, you are left
with the only 3 legitimate reasons why you should cut down on
your beef intake:

26. Most common cause of death in the United States: heart attack. risk of death from heart attack by average American man: 50 percent. Risk of death from heart attack by an average American man consuming a pure vegetarian diet: 4 percent

27. Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat daily compared to women who eat meat less than once a week: four times higher

28. Leading source of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet: meat- 55 percent. Total pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by vegetables: 6 percent. Total pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by fruits: 4 percent. Total pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by grains: 1 percent.

Though, in my opinion, that's one reason split out into three.

Meaning, 28 is the real issue, in my book, which leads to 26, 27
and a host of other issues.

so really, there's only 1 reason not to eat meat, and that's all the
chemicals and bullshit...but then again, if you eat humanely killed,
organic beef, poultry and pork, then you're home free!

yay for organic beef!


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: GabbaDj]
    #4841935 - 10/23/05 03:45 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Let's all abstain from posting in this thread so it can retire to the depths of the forgotten.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: afoaf]
    #4842024 - 10/23/05 04:03 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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afoaf said:
if there's no money in it, there's
no way these people are going to produce the product or
sell it for that matter.





yes... that is always the problem. one solution could be government subsidies. if demand for meat fell, farmers would have to start producing more grain. Of course, people would not buy enough additional grain to make up for the loss of meat revenues. One reason for this is that the people who are starving wouldn't have money to buy this additional grain. So... the government could buy this surplus grain - thus allowing farmers to make up for their loss in meat revenues - and then sell this grain at very low prices to those people that are starving in america. (or possibly other countries, though the logistics behind distributing massive amounts of grain worldwide would be pretty crazy)

So I don't think it's a pie in the sky dream to imagine that hunger is not an incurable problem.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: laotzu]
    #4842089 - 10/23/05 04:23 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

it's not the government's job to subsidize grain or cattle farmers.

farm subsidies are a huge waste of taxpayer money and additionally
cost us more than our spent taxes in the form of higher priced
produce and goods.

furthermore, it's not the government's job to feed the world or
go into business as a grain broker.

I don't think curing human hunger, on it's own is a hopeless dream,
noble at least, near impossible at best. there will always be some
form of hunger in the world...and not having enough food is generally
NOT the root cause of the problem.

it's just pie in the sky to think that today we stop eating beef,
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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: afoaf]
    #4842769 - 10/23/05 07:13 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

well, on the whole, i agree that there are many problems with america's current system of agricultural subsidization. but that doesn't mean that subsidies are always evil.

but on another note... this is turning into a debate that probably doesn't belong in the culinary arts forum...


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: laotzu]
    #4842833 - 10/23/05 07:26 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Subsidies should only be used in the most dire of circumstances and should be temporary


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Shroomism]
    #4844300 - 10/24/05 12:32 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Meat is part of my religion.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
    #4844479 - 10/24/05 02:00 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Its okay to eat fish. They don't have any feelings.




Jesus ate a lot of fish - if its ok by him, its ok by me. Save a cow - eat a vegetarian.....


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Shroomism]
    #4844580 - 10/24/05 03:09 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Curious...did you check the validity of anything on that list?

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26. Most common cause of death in the United States: heart attack. risk of death from heart attack by average American man: 50 percent. Risk of death from heart attack by an average American man consuming a pure vegetarian diet: 4 percent




No. No. No.

Cancer is the most common cause of death in the US.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: laotzu]
    #4844633 - 10/24/05 04:00 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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this...doesn't belong in the culinary arts forum




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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: daimyo]
    #4845023 - 10/24/05 09:56 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I have no objection to keeping this here.

there's nothing wrong with honest debate about
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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Organic]
    #4845349 - 10/24/05 11:21 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Curious...did you check the validity of anything on that list?

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26. Most common cause of death in the United States: heart attack. risk of death from heart attack by average American man: 50 percent. Risk of death from heart attack by an average American man consuming a pure vegetarian diet: 4 percent




No. No. No.

Cancer is the most common cause of death in the US.





gawd you guys are BOTH WRONG.

It's not HEART ATTACKS and it's not CANCER. It's heart DISEASE. This includes Congenital heart failure, complications from arythmia, and cardio myopathy. get yer medical facts straight...


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #4845461 - 10/24/05 11:48 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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It's not a myth that the majority of strict vegetarians are at risk of vitamin deficiencies.

Things like vitamin B 12 you can only find trace amounts in vegetables, and the primary source for it is red meats and egg. But they have supplemented grains and cereals with it.

But there are still numerous hospital cases where patients suffering from pernicious anemia end up being strict vegetarians. It's a medical fact.




Myth if you are a real vegi then you know how to eat. You do not need to take supplements! B12 my ass if you eat an ounce of mushrooms(gourmet) that is all the B12 you need for quite some time. I have been a vegi since elementary school and I am in great health.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #4845606 - 10/24/05 12:26 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the correction...I read somewhere that Heart Disease and Cancer switched 1 and 2...guess not. Checked the CDC site and you're right.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #4845668 - 10/24/05 12:47 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Heart disease.. that's what I meant.

SO do you know what the number one cause of heart disease is?


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Shroomism]
    #4845678 - 10/24/05 12:52 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Heart disease.. that's what I meant.

SO do you know what the number one cause of heart disease is?




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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Shroomism]
    #4845703 - 10/24/05 01:00 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Frankly, the argument about starving people is bullshit. There's more than enough food to feed everyone. It's just a problem of distribution. And there's no fucking way that all the trees in the US are going to be gone in 50 years. This isn't Easter Island. BTW, fish are animals too, you sushi-eating murderer.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Silversoul]
    #4845725 - 10/24/05 01:09 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

the whole list is a joke, except for 1 point.

1. chemicals in meat are bad.

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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Shroomism]
    #4845895 - 10/24/05 01:58 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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SO do you know what the number one cause of heart disease is?




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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: it stars saddam]
    #4846177 - 10/24/05 03:12 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Or McDonald's.. that one is still up for grabs.

So if distribution is the problem, why don't we send some food?

Considering we are the biggest consumers and trash makers in the world.

And I suppose no one opposes the clear-cutting of the Amazon Rainforest for the cattle industry either. The Earth's Lung they call it. You know, the origin of 80% of our food, 50% of the plant, insect and animal species on Earth, and 1/5th of the Earth's fresh water.

Consumption of red meat is definitely linked to Ischematic Heart Disease

Here's a couple more reasons:

The Oxford Vegetarian Study: An Overview, Appleby et al. 1999, American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 70, 525S: A 16-year study of 6000 vegetarians and 5000 non-vegetarians in the UK found that the vegetarians generally had lower LDL cholesterol levels and lower death rates for each of the mortality endpoints studied.

Health Implications of Mediterranean Diets in Light of Contemporary Knowledge II , Kushi et al. 1995, American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 61, 1416S: Evidence strongly suggests that a high intake of plant-based foods, and a low intake of animal products contributes to the excellent health of Mediterranean populations. The high consumption of red meat in Western diets is associated with increased risks of heart disease, some cancers, and urinary calcium losses likely to contribute to osteoporosis.

Dietary Determinants of Ischaemic Heart Disease in Health Conscious Individuals, Mann et al. 1997, Heart, 78, 450: The physical condition and diets of nearly 11,000 health-conscious men and women, both vegetarian and non-vegetarian, were followed for an average of 13.3 years to investigate dietary determinants of ischaemic heart disease. It was found that saturated animal fat and cholesterol are the primary contributors to ischaemic heart disease.

Study Shows Vegetarian Populations Have Lower Rates of Hypertension, Berkow & Barnard 2005, Nutrition Reviews: A scientific review shows that high blood pressure can be reduced with diet changes, especially a vegetarian diet. The report analyzes the results of published studies and concludes that vegetarian populations have lower rates of hypertension, ?the silent killer.?


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Shroomism]
    #4846224 - 10/24/05 03:27 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Potatoes create a cancer causing chemical if heated over 425 degrees.

Take that for your healthy veggies!  :grin: :grin: :grin:


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Rustifer]
    #4846231 - 10/24/05 03:29 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Shroomism]
    #4846252 - 10/24/05 03:33 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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The Oxford Vegetarian Study: An Overview, Appleby et al. 1999, American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 70, 525S: A 16-year study of 6000 vegetarians and 5000 non-vegetarians in the UK found that the vegetarians generally had lower LDL cholesterol levels and lower death rates for each of the mortality endpoints studied.

Health Implications of Mediterranean Diets in Light of Contemporary Knowledge II , Kushi et al. 1995, American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 61, 1416S: Evidence strongly suggests that a high intake of plant-based foods, and a low intake of animal products contributes to the excellent health of Mediterranean populations. The high consumption of red meat in Western diets is associated with increased risks of heart disease, some cancers, and urinary calcium losses likely to contribute to osteoporosis.

Dietary Determinants of Ischaemic Heart Disease in Health Conscious Individuals, Mann et al. 1997, Heart, 78, 450: The physical condition and diets of nearly 11,000 health-conscious men and women, both vegetarian and non-vegetarian, were followed for an average of 13.3 years to investigate dietary determinants of ischaemic heart disease. It was found that saturated animal fat and cholesterol are the primary contributors to ischaemic heart disease.

Study Shows Vegetarian Populations Have Lower Rates of Hypertension, Berkow & Barnard 2005, Nutrition Reviews: A scientific review shows that high blood pressure can be reduced with diet changes, especially a vegetarian diet. The report analyzes the results of published studies and concludes that vegetarian populations have lower rates of hypertension, ?the silent killer.?





Sigh... critical thinking time?

There is a stark contrast between vegetarians and non-vegetarians that doesn't pertain to meat. Just as there is a stark contrast between the health conscious and non-health conscious. People usually follow into each one of those categories and then vary between them across a spectrum.

When you compare vegetarians to non-vegetarians, what are you exactly comparing?

Vegetarians are for the most part are health conscious individuals. This means that they won't stuff their face full of candy bars. This means that they are more likely to exercise. This means that they will be eating lots of vegetables and fruit, which helps ward off disease and cancer.

The opposite of a health conscious vegetarian is not a health conscious non-vegetarian, however. Most omnivores in our society don't care about nutrition. Most are fat. Most don't exercise, and won't take the time to eat healthy, which means its donuts for breakfast, mcdonalds for lunch, and pancakes for dinner. Look they ate meat!

The bottom line is you can be a health conscious omnivore and reap health benefits that meet and EXCEED that of vegetarians. Eating lots of vegetables, fruits, meat, and good fats is a healthy way to live and doesn't exclude meat.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Shroomism]
    #4846296 - 10/24/05 03:43 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Damn, you're the first vegitarian I've met that's been able to combat all my attacks, the tires, the potatoes. They always work with the rich white ladies I over hear talking about how vegan they are, walking out of thier SUV's.

Raw potatoes are pretty nasty, how do you eat them? They're alright with a lot of salt on them.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Rustifer]
    #4846346 - 10/24/05 03:52 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Actually, I'm not a vegetarian. I still eat meat (beef, chicken, pork) when it is available and I am hungry, but I usually don't feel very good afterwards. But I do eat a shitload of raw fish (sushi) and fruit. I don't actually even eat potatoes that often.. my main concern is eating it skin and all. If I cook a potato, ideally it would be with a pressure cooker. But I have eaten them raw and it is pretty nasty.. one of the few vegetables that does need to be cooked a little to make it more palatable. The key is not peeling the skin off of potatoes, cucumbers, carrots, etc.. as that is where most of the vitamins are. And in the case of potatoes, the alkaline skin balances the almost pure starch of the potato.

Looner you do make a good point. A health conscious meat eater is more likely to be healthy than a normal meat eater. I'm not even saying to not eat meat, I'm just saying Americans in general eat so fucking much of it, it's rediculous. Of course a diet low in fat and high in fiber with lots of fruits and vegetables and grains will keep someone healthy, and if you make a conscious choice to eat lean meat, free of chemicals.. you'll be straight. But it's all about moderation isn't it?


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Shroomism]
    #4846357 - 10/24/05 03:55 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Ah well then you're just as vegitarian as I am. I mostly eat vegitables, mainly because I'm dirt poor, partly because of my health. But there's nothing like a nice steak or some fish when I get the extera money.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Shroomism]
    #4846415 - 10/24/05 04:05 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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SO do you know what the number one cause of heart disease is?




Age.

Of course you can add other correlations, but i'm not gonna thread needles here.

All those studies you posted are basically stating obvious facts that people have known for hundreds of years. Meat has more fat and cholesterol than veggies. They still taste better...


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Retired]
    #4846757 - 10/24/05 05:29 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

only mushrooms grown from animal compost have adaquate b12 levels.


either that or unwashed plants which have vitamin synthesizing bacteria on them.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Shroomism]
    #4848025 - 10/24/05 10:34 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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So if distribution is the problem, why don't we send some food?



If only it were that simple. The problem isn't just a lack of access to food, but rather a lack of money with which to buy food. In short, the problem is poverty. I'm currently writing a book on how to solve that problem, but it's too complicated to go into here.

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And I suppose no one opposes the clear-cutting of the Amazon Rainforest for the cattle industry either. The Earth's Lung they call it. You know, the origin of 80% of our food, 50% of the plant, insect and animal species on Earth, and 1/5th of the Earth's fresh water.



I won't argue with that. But that's just a reason not to eat beef. It has nothing to do with meat itself. Plus, many of the farmers are forced to move into rainforest area not by a scarcity of land, but by a scarcity of unowned land. Land speculation is a huge problem in Brazil(as in most countries), and is yet another issue that will addressed in my book.

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Consumption of red meat is definitely linked to Ischematic Heart Disease



Correction: Overconsumption of red meat is linked to heart disease. All things in moderation, my friend.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Shroomism]
    #4848056 - 10/24/05 10:39 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I love vegetables!

They're great for mopping up all the blood off your plate after eating a steak  :thumbup:

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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Shroomism]
    #4848244 - 10/24/05 11:11 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

look at what you did man!

you turned this into a political activism discussion.

this thread needs to be moved before it boils more blood. pun intended.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Shroomism]
    #4850003 - 10/25/05 12:02 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I just realized the yin and yang of those facts..

Them facts compare the basic minimum of eating vegetarian style to the overindulgence of eating beef.

Ill bet that if you were to reverse the facts and people eat just the minimum amount of beef for proper nutrition and overindulge on vegetables and fruit you would see that they are much closer in comparison.

If a plant is not annual it could take years to harvest, fruits may only fruit once a year and grains can be harvested only once a year. Ill bet that a person going to the gut on all of these can eat acres and acres worth of each every year.

If one person were to ration out the amount of meat needed for minimum proper nutrition then one single cow could sustain one person for an entire year easily as long as that person raped the land.

Food For Thought.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: GabbaDj]
    #4853904 - 10/26/05 08:52 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Cows will not go extinct. You'll have people here breeding them to grow on their shit, and use their blood for a nitrogen boost :wink:


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Shroomism]
    #4854186 - 10/26/05 10:41 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I see you've abandoned any semblance of trying
to prop up these weak points.

"haha. I knew this thread would get some panties
in a bunch", indeed!

edit: typo


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Shroomism]
    #4854193 - 10/26/05 10:44 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

9 good reasons to eat meat

8 antelope
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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: sucklesworth]
    #4859643 - 10/27/05 02:50 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

#10 - your butt


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: afoaf]
    #4859661 - 10/27/05 02:53 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

beef is yucks

killing animals is barbaric


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: sucklesworth]
    #4860763 - 10/27/05 07:20 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Thats pushing it a bit mate....


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: afoaf]
    #4862513 - 10/28/05 04:11 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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I see you've abandoned any semblance of trying
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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Retired]
    #4862595 - 10/28/05 06:12 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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What is stupid is todays cow is not a natural animal. They were made by crazy breeding. An American cow would naturally die out if left on their own




Using this same argument, most people would die out as well if you took away all the trappings of civilisation...


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Le_Canard]
    #4869677 - 10/30/05 06:40 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

reason to eat meat:
1. its tasty
2. who wants to live off grain and soybeans (not me)


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: n0xious]
    #4870450 - 10/30/05 11:57 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

this thread is filled with sensational numbers and propaganda.

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2. Number of people who will starve to death this year: 60,000,000




I would argue this has nothing to do with meat-eaters, and more to do with economics. Think about all the food farmers are paid not to grow to keep the prices in control. Think about all the wasted food (for example grocery stores that throw out irregular sized / colored fruits & vegs)

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12.The McDonald?s clown, Ronald McDonald, tells children: ?Hamburgers grow in hamburger patches and love to be eaten.? Ronald McDonald doesn?t tell children: ?Hamburgers are ground of cows who?ve had their throats slit by machetes or their brains bashed in by sledgehammers.?




now if there is actually a quote from a magazine ad, radio or tv commercial or anything that actually puts ?Hamburgers grow in hamburger patches and love to be eaten.? in the mouth of Ronald McDonald, I would love to get a link to it, but when searching for that quote on google, it only comes back with 1,000 other forums where this same list of shit was posted, none of them citing real sources.

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15. Occupation with highest employee rate of injury in the United States: slaughterhouse worker.




please note this was in 1989, almost 2 decades ago, but I am not sure how this plays into why to not eat meat.

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16. Cost to render an animal unconscious prior to slaughter so that process is done humanely: 1 cent. Reason given by meat industry for not utilizing captive bolt pistol: too expensive




I an convinced that even if there was some fantastic device that would spray a sweet smelling drug to the animal that would put it in a perfect state of euphoria, then down a huge slide ending in NASA-approved space foam (the kind they make those $900 beds from) vegetarians across the globe will still claim that it is not good enough.

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24. At the present rate of deforestation, number of years before not a single tree will remain standing in the United States: 50




Please understand lumber and paper industries (among many others) rely on having trees and forests for money. To sit here and just think that we cut all these forests and trees down and never replant them is just plain ignorance, and paints a picture where logic does not have a color to be incorporated. plants and animals have something in common. They can be created again. Some with a seed, some with sperm, but neither are a finite resource like fossil fuels, gold, etc. etc.



I suggest that instead of trying to convert, or plead your case of being a vegetarian, you spend more time protesting and spreading knowledge of GE/Monsanto/Schmeiser which holds patents for crop seeds and holds them from farmers and the public. This is a much scarier scenario than condemning animal products and byproducts which although have negative aspects to them, still feed people.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: kotik]
    #4875493 - 10/31/05 02:28 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

no offence but those pics look so nasty.. ewy... im glad i dont eat meat anymore...


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: basdathea]
    #4876080 - 10/31/05 05:01 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Fuck that. It looks great.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: basdathea]
    #4879455 - 11/01/05 12:07 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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no offence but those pics look so nasty.. ewy... im glad i dont eat meat anymore...



Cool. More for me.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Silversoul]
    #4880840 - 11/01/05 06:26 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think there are a lot of poor vegetarians. I'll go vegetarian the day I don't have to pay double or 3X the price on organic, non-processed, fresh, free-range, gmo or pesticide free food. Give me food like we had before the industrial revolution (or at least Europe) and then I think for once I can forego the meat.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: soochi]
    #4883455 - 11/02/05 11:43 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

yea just go to another country and ull see how diferent it is. ull go vegetarian for sure. Its funny me coming from another country. found myself converting into a vegetarian cuz of the food here... i seriously never seen obese ppl in real life till i came over the US. in the places ive been before outside the US ive seen poor ppl being skiny wich is common sense. but here, poor ppl specially are extremely fat. I think its worth it to pay more for some cuality food. And think about it, is so worth it to treat ur body how it deserves to be treatead. even if that in cludes spending more money on ur food.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: basdathea]
    #4884562 - 11/02/05 04:58 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I wouldn't blame obesity in America simply on meat. Maybe red meat, but even then, it has a lot to do with how it's prepared. In Scandinavia, people eat a lot of fish, and are skinny as hell.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Silversoul]
    #4884879 - 11/02/05 05:56 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

The newest Foreign Policy magazine had an article about obesity in it. It was suprising to see all the other countries who's level of obesity is right around the US's.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Redstorm]
    #4886355 - 11/02/05 11:18 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Since McDonalds is worldwide.  :evil:

I don't believe it. US has rediculous amounts of rediculously fat people.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Shroomism]
    #4889033 - 11/03/05 02:22 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

well not my country :smile:(and yea its ironic wut shroomism says, there was MCdonals in my country before but it didnt last long. i guess for the cuality of its food ahah). and yea im talking about red meat specially. oh yea and chicken having all that shit injected so they wont die..


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Rustifer]
    #4904394 - 11/07/05 01:15 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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20. Enough water goes into the feeding and care of the average cow to: float a destroyer

21. Water needed to produce a pound of wheat: 25 gallons. Water needed to produce a pound of meat: 2,500 gallons

You do know that earth has had roughly the same amount of water for the past couple billion years right? Do you drive a car? what about the 40+ thousand gallons of water required to make your tires, yet alone the rest of you car.





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