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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: laotzu]
    #4840902 - 10/23/05 10:21 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

lol, i wish dennis leary was here to read this thread.

and if u dont eat meat, you become a pussy.

besides, every vegitarean i know who doesnt eat meat and takes everything u get from meat in pill form looks kinda... UNHEALTHY. by that i mean pale, skinny or fat(never in between), they fart alot and it smells alot more than meat farts, and they act like a bunch of fucking pussies.

they come with me to a taco bell or something and ill be like, sooo good, all they'll eat is the potatoes w/ cheese on them. ill be like, want some of my chalupa? they'll be like, EEEEEW THATS SO NASTY. THINK OF ALL THE DEAD ANIMALS. well, hear this, the animal is gonna die anyways. im just making use of it so some asshole doesnt take one bite of it and throws it away in the trash.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: KidgardFromSRQ]
    #4840919 - 10/23/05 10:28 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

KidgardFromSRQ

It sounds like you don't get out much. That is not how vegetarianism is at all. I have been a vegi since elementary school my farts don't smell any worse then anyone else's. I take no pills to substitute animals. I weigh 180 pounds and can run 25 miles without even thinking about it. And I personally don't eat at restaurants and I think cheese should not be Allowed on the VEGI diet because it is not a vegi.

I am not a fad vegi, I believe in it. I'm not some tini-bopper kid trying to be cool which it sounds like to me is the only kind of vegi's you have seen.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Shroomism]
    #4840950 - 10/23/05 10:40 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

1. Number of human beings who could be fed annually by the grain and soybeans eaten by U.S. livestock: 1,300,000,000

2. Number of people who will starve to death this year: 60,000,000

3. Number of people would could be adequately fed by the grain saved if Americans reduced their intake of meat by 10 percent: 60,000,000

4. Pounds of grain and soybeans needed to produce one pound of feedlot beef: 16

5. Number of pure vegetarians who can be fed on the amount of land needed to feed one meat-eating person: 20


1,2,3  We should send them starving people some cows.

4,  Who wants to eat 16lbs of soybeans?

5,  Thats because Vegetarians are soo weak and tiny, they take up less room than us beefed up meat eaters.

6. Percentage of protein wasted by cycling grain through livestock: 90

7. Percentage of carbohydrate wasted by cycling grain through livestock: 99

8. Percentage of dietary fiber wasted by cycling grain through livestock: 100


6,7,8  None of this is wasted.  It is consumed by the animal to fatten it up so it tastes better.

9. Pounds of potatoes that can be grown on 1 acre of land: 20,000. Pounds of beef that can be produced on 1 acre of land: 165

9, is seriously flawed.  My Mormon friends family has a 5 acre hobby farm.  They raise 5 cows on 2 acres, slaughtering 2 every year and buying new ones to replace them...    They have plenty of room for 5 cows on 2 acres and every year they produce more than 500lbs of usable beef.  Not to mention several dozen yards of hide and other offal.

10. Reason veal is so tender: calves are never allowed to take a single step

11. Reason veal is whitish pink: calves are force-fed an anemia-producing diet


Good, so they take up much less space and eat no grain.  Sounds like win win.

12.The McDonald?s clown, Ronald McDonald, tells children: ?Hamburgers grow in hamburger patches and love to be eaten.? Ronald McDonald doesn?t tell children: ?Hamburgers are ground of cows who?ve had their throats slit by machetes or their brains bashed in by sledgehammers.?

13. Number of animals killed for meat per hour in the United States: 50,000

14. Occupation with highest employee-turnover rate in the United States: slaughterhouse worker

15. Occupation with highest employee rate of injury in the United States: slaughterhouse worker.

16. Cost to render an animal unconscious prior to slaughter so that process is done humanely: 1 cent. Reason given by meat industry for not utilizing captive bolt pistol: too expensive


12,  Mmmmmmmmm  Hamburger Patches.... :rolleyes:
13, One Aggravated Assault every 34 seconds
One Property  Crime every 3 seconds
One Violent Crime every 22 seconds
One Larceny Theft every 5 seconds
One Auto Theft every 27 seconds
One Burglary every 15 seconds
One Murder every 34 minutes
One Robbery every 1 minute
One Rape every 6 minutes
Whats your point?
14, Not true, Retail and Restaurant workers slaughter the turnover rate.
15, Restaurant workers have the highest employee injury rate and highest emergency room visits than any other job.
Plus meat packers and slaughter house workers are some of the highest paid workers in the country with benefits and union protections.
16,  The bolt pistol is used in ALL slaughter houses governed by the USDA.  Only kosher meat is slaughtered by slitting the throat as per the Kosher guidelignes and sledgehammers, well thats just silly..

17. Percentage of antibiotics produced in this country used in livestock feeds: 55
I wonder what percent of pestacides manufactured is used to kill bugs in grain fields?

18. Production of excrement by total U.S. human population: 12,000 pounds per second. Production of excrement by U.S. livestock: 250,000 pounds per second.

19. Percentage of harmful organic waste-water pollution attributable to U.S. human population: 10. Percentage of harmful organic waste-water pollution attributable to U.S. livestock: 90

20. Enough water goes into the feeding and care of the average cow to: float a destroyer

21. Water needed to produce a pound of wheat: 25 gallons. Water needed to produce a pound of meat: 2,500 gallons

22. Number of acres of U.S. forest that have been cleared to create cropland to produce a meat-centered diet: 260,000,000

23. How often an acre of trees disappears in this country: every 5 seconds

24. At the present rate of deforestation, number of years before not a single tree will remain standing in the United States: 50

25. Amount of trees spared per year by each individual who switches to a pure vegetarian diet: 1 acre


18-25 FACT...  Cows drink and crap.

Treehugger :grin:

26. Most common cause of death in the United States: heart attack. risk of death from heart attack by average American man: 50 percent. Risk of death from heart attack by an average American man consuming a pure vegetarian diet: 4 percent

27. Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat daily compared to women who eat meat less than once a week: four times higher


We all take risks and cows are soooo tasty. :crazy2:


28. Leading source of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet: meat- 55 percent. Total pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by vegetables: 6 percent. Total pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by fruits: 4 percent. Total pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by grains: 1 percent.


I suspect that this one is just wrong..  But who knows...


The economic value of the American beef association far outweighs any argument of "healthy living".    We are all far better off having a viable and functioning beef and poultry industry.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: GabbaDj]
    #4841006 - 10/23/05 11:00 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

14. Occupation with highest employee-turnover rate in the United States: slaughterhouse worker

14, Not true, Retail and Restaurant workers slaughter the turnover rate.

Well, the industry average for slaughterhouse turnover rates is above 75%. On one website that I was reading, a spokesman for one slaughterhouse acknowledged that the turnover rate at his plant is about 80%, and that that was actually a decline in turnover rate since the 1990s.

I don't know what the turnover rate is in the restaurant and retail industries, but i'm guessing it's not as high as 80%. If I'm wrong, well... holy shit, that's a high turnover rate in the retail/restaurant industry.

Also, I think point #3 really makes a strong argument. Reducing meat consumption by 10% isn't crazy... in fact, it's probably a good idea for health reasons. and you still get plenty of tasty cow in that 90% that you have left. And damn, if reducing meat consumption by 10% saves 60 million people, well, that sounds like a good idea to me.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: laotzu]
    #4841014 - 10/23/05 11:03 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

p.s. i'm getting pretty hungry now. i think i'm going to get lunch... which i think will include a cheeseburger  :grin: just not a double cheeseburger.


Edited by laotzu (10/23/05 11:03 AM)


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Shroomism]
    #4841088 - 10/23/05 11:28 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

yeah but your thread said "not to eat meat" which includes seafood.

the majority of your points only have to do with beef and lamb. It says nothing about the environmental benefits of switching to buffalo meat, or poultry, etc.

Of course its true you can save alot more just by eating vegetables, but who the hell would want to do that?

Also, becoming a full blown vegetarian, you do have to take various supplements to make up for various vitamine deficiencies and protein deficiencies. I'll stick with my loin chops thank you very much.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: daimyo]
    #4841095 - 10/23/05 11:30 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

daimyo said:
:drooling:

Where is that second picture from?




from Fatburger

a local fast food branch only found in the los angeles/orange county area.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #4841112 - 10/23/05 11:35 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

LiquidSmoke said:
Also, becoming a full blown vegetarian, you do have to take various supplements to make up for various vitamine deficiencies and protein deficiencies.




If by various supplements... you mean nuts and grains.. then I agree.
myth. Most full vegetarians just don't know how to eat properly to get complete proteins in their diet.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #4841129 - 10/23/05 11:38 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Fuck!  I have to come all the way out there to get one of them...How bout you mail me one?  No, you might add some sort of "special" sauce :evil:

I'll just have to come visit.  What else do they have good there?


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Shroomism]
    #4841168 - 10/23/05 11:50 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

It's not a myth that the majority of strict vegetarians are at risk of vitamin deficiencies.

Things like vitamin B 12 you can only find trace amounts in vegetables, and the primary source for it is red meats and egg. But they have supplemented grains and cereals with it.

But there are still numerous hospital cases where patients suffering from pernicious anemia end up being strict vegetarians. It's a medical fact.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #4841921 - 10/23/05 03:40 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Today Ive cut up over 1000lbs of delicious cow.

And thats just before lunch time :wink:


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Shroomism]
    #4841932 - 10/23/05 03:44 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

the bleeding heart points are moot because they don't take
into account the fact that just because you don't have cows
doesn't mean you can feed the world.

the farmers would have to be able to sell that grain at
equal or greater values now that the cattle market does not
use it, which is demand unlikely to be magically displaced,
even with people eating less meat.

furthermore, you couldn't just save the world without first
considering the logistics of getting all that grain to all
those starving mouths. if there's no money in it, there's
no way these people are going to produce the product or
sell it for that matter.

so while moving from beef to grain would compensate for some
of the loss in demand, it would not account for all of it.
furthermore, the surplus would not be magically whisked around
the world or continued to be produced so essentially 1-5 are
pie in the sky points.

6-8 are statistical tricks used to further prey on your emotions
after 1-5 got you all teary-eyed. 9 is similar...great, you can
produce enough potatoes to put a lot of people into a carb
coma...but again, there's no market for them so it doesn't really
matter what you do with that empty cattle lot.

10-16...more bleeding heart bullshit.

sorry about the calves, sucks to be a slaughterhouse worker and
a few courses in business tell you why ronald doesn't say where
the cheeseburgers really come from and why 1 penny over millions
of cows actually does add up to a noteworthy expense.

so here we are...point 17 out of 28...over half way there and we
haven't seen much besides bad economics and bleeding heart b.s.

the National Agriculture Statistics Serivice noted that "all cattle
and calves in the U. S. and Canada combined totaled 121.8 million
head on July 1, 2005"

http://usda.mannlib.cornell.edu/reports/nassr/livestock/uscc/uscc0805.txt

the United States has a population of about 295 million.

taking into consideration the populations but just as importantly,
the digestive processes of these animals, points 17 through 21
are more of the same mathematics executed on a large scale in an
effort to woo you with the grandeur of the sum when in reality
nothing there is far from expected.

ask yourself...is there a drought in my area...is that drought
being caused by the local cattle industry.

the answer is probably 'no'.

22-25 border on disingenuity, where in the western cattle states have
we removed a forest in the last 20 years? where was that 260 million
acres? are there any sources?

Plus, the scare tactic ... no more forests bit is a lark, national and
state parks guarantee forests in perpetuity.

ladies and gentlemen, when you scrape away the bleeding heart
liberalism, statistical chicanery and shockmath, you are left
with the only 3 legitimate reasons why you should cut down on
your beef intake:

26. Most common cause of death in the United States: heart attack. risk of death from heart attack by average American man: 50 percent. Risk of death from heart attack by an average American man consuming a pure vegetarian diet: 4 percent

27. Increased risk of breast cancer for women who eat meat daily compared to women who eat meat less than once a week: four times higher

28. Leading source of pesticide residues in the U.S. diet: meat- 55 percent. Total pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by vegetables: 6 percent. Total pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by fruits: 4 percent. Total pesticide residues in the U.S. diet supplied by grains: 1 percent.

Though, in my opinion, that's one reason split out into three.

Meaning, 28 is the real issue, in my book, which leads to 26, 27
and a host of other issues.

so really, there's only 1 reason not to eat meat, and that's all the
chemicals and bullshit...but then again, if you eat humanely killed,
organic beef, poultry and pork, then you're home free!

yay for organic beef!


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: GabbaDj]
    #4841935 - 10/23/05 03:45 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Let's all abstain from posting in this thread so it can retire to the depths of the forgotten.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: afoaf]
    #4842024 - 10/23/05 04:03 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

afoaf said:
if there's no money in it, there's
no way these people are going to produce the product or
sell it for that matter.





yes... that is always the problem. one solution could be government subsidies. if demand for meat fell, farmers would have to start producing more grain. Of course, people would not buy enough additional grain to make up for the loss of meat revenues. One reason for this is that the people who are starving wouldn't have money to buy this additional grain. So... the government could buy this surplus grain - thus allowing farmers to make up for their loss in meat revenues - and then sell this grain at very low prices to those people that are starving in america. (or possibly other countries, though the logistics behind distributing massive amounts of grain worldwide would be pretty crazy)

So I don't think it's a pie in the sky dream to imagine that hunger is not an incurable problem.


Edited by laotzu (10/23/05 05:19 PM)


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: laotzu]
    #4842089 - 10/23/05 04:23 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

it's not the government's job to subsidize grain or cattle farmers.

farm subsidies are a huge waste of taxpayer money and additionally
cost us more than our spent taxes in the form of higher priced
produce and goods.

furthermore, it's not the government's job to feed the world or
go into business as a grain broker.

I don't think curing human hunger, on it's own is a hopeless dream,
noble at least, near impossible at best. there will always be some
form of hunger in the world...and not having enough food is generally
NOT the root cause of the problem.

it's just pie in the sky to think that today we stop eating beef,
tommorrow we feed the world.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: afoaf]
    #4842769 - 10/23/05 07:13 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

well, on the whole, i agree that there are many problems with america's current system of agricultural subsidization. but that doesn't mean that subsidies are always evil.

but on another note... this is turning into a debate that probably doesn't belong in the culinary arts forum...


Edited by laotzu (10/23/05 07:18 PM)


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: laotzu]
    #4842833 - 10/23/05 07:26 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Subsidies should only be used in the most dire of circumstances and should be temporary


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Shroomism]
    #4844300 - 10/24/05 12:32 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Meat is part of my religion.


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
    #4844479 - 10/24/05 02:00 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

QuantumMeltdown said:

Its okay to eat fish. They don't have any feelings.




Jesus ate a lot of fish - if its ok by him, its ok by me. Save a cow - eat a vegetarian.....


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Re: 28 reasons not to eat meat [Re: Shroomism]
    #4844580 - 10/24/05 03:09 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Curious...did you check the validity of anything on that list?

Quote:

26. Most common cause of death in the United States: heart attack. risk of death from heart attack by average American man: 50 percent. Risk of death from heart attack by an average American man consuming a pure vegetarian diet: 4 percent




No. No. No.

Cancer is the most common cause of death in the US.


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