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Re: depressed =( going to doctor tomorrow for help [Re: art]
    #4837802 - 10/22/05 11:48 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

what are your views?


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Re: depressed =( going to doctor tomorrow for help [Re: MJF]
    #4837844 - 10/22/05 12:06 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I have a negative view on the world as a whole, but I have gotten over that. Although I think this world is a cruel and terrible place, my goal in life is to help other people. I feel that if I can help out one person then my life is not in vain. So although I have this negative view of the world I am very optimistic about my life. I look forward to growing up and being able to experience new things, and to continue to make a good impact on this world.


I read about cognitive therapy, and although I understand what it is, I am confused on how it would affect me. I honestly don't know how to change on my views. I feel like I get depressed for no reason.

Just last weekend I was invited to go to a party, as I was driving there I got very depressed. I really have no idea why it happened. I was so excited to go, but then I just felt like I couldn't. I knew that if I went I would have fun, but it felt like I physically just could not go. I ended up driving around for two hours. I still can not figure out why I did not go, I wasn't having negative views on the party, my life, the world. I just felt very depressed.


I am still very interested in the cognitive therapy, I think I will try it. I might wait until the spring though.


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Re: depressed =( going to doctor tomorrow for help [Re: art]
    #4837860 - 10/22/05 12:12 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

are you sure it was depression you experienced driving around or anxiety?


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Re: depressed =( going to doctor tomorrow for help [Re: MJF]
    #4837892 - 10/22/05 12:25 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

yeah, I was very depressed. I just felt like shit, I really wanted to die. I know I have anxiety, but I don't think it is really that bad. It used to be a lot worse but I have been able to get over it. I can remember some times when I was real young where I would get depressed for no reason. I am almost positive I did not have any negative views back then, because I was just to young and naive.

could there be subconscious feelings that I don't really know about? That is the only thing I can think of.


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Re: depressed =( going to doctor tomorrow for help [Re: art]
    #4838088 - 10/22/05 01:27 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Art, outlook on life isnt what i am talking about. It is your viewpoint. It isnt the scenery and whether or not it is pretty, it is the balcony you choose to see it from.... I hope that makes sense somewhat.

I really dont want to come off as pretentious or pseudo-yogi...

What exactly is depression?:
is it an innate emotion? or was it learned?

Depression is purely subjective, IOW it wouldnt exist unless there was something like elation, exuberance, and happiness to measure it against.
How does one become depressed? well, IMO, it is when one drops to a lower emotional state. You felt happy/content/bored/ambivalent and dropped to a lower emotional state, sometimes soul crushing apathy.

You have created (and been conditioned) your idea/goal of what happiness feels like, as well as your idea of what depression feels like. They are just parameters that you have in your mind.
We are dealing with something that is abstract here, even though years and years of false or unfounded datum has personified it for you, gave it substance, almost even active and animate... like it is a virus, and there is nothing you can do but take these special pills (for $29 btw) and hope it passes.

just remember that it is abstract.


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Re: depressed =( going to doctor tomorrow for help [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4838191 - 10/22/05 01:57 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I think I understand what you are saying, but I am lost as to why my emotional state dropped, or how I can increase my emotional state. My feelings seem to be random. Although I do see the connection between a persons view on life, and emotional state there seems to be something more going on. I have been able to improve my feelings in the past, but I still can not seem to control them. Like going to that party a week ago. The night before, I went to a party and had a great time, then for no reason I was depressed, and feeling terrible.


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Re: depressed =( going to doctor tomorrow for help [Re: art]
    #4838293 - 10/22/05 02:47 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

*in reply to the thread starter*

dont take this rudely anyone, but, you dont have much to complain about. even though you're emotionally unstable, thats partly to your own undoing. because 1. you loathe pyschiatrists, if you're really that depressed see one. 2. your a pessemist. you wouldnt be depressed if you werent pessemistic. and what do u have to complain about? theres people all around the world that dont have a fraction of what you do, dont have a chance to go to college and work shitty dead end jobs. you've got life going for you. the rest of the world should be depressed if anything. and you're complaining? dont take this as an insult or anything though. just learn to respect what you have and what you can become and what is around you.

im sure you do respect alot of things though, and you probably realize this. but u see, if u REALLY realized how shitty life can be, you would think of yourself happy right now. so, in my opinion, you need to start revaluating your morals. it'll be epic like the oddyssey.

see thats whats wrong with just about every westernized culture. we have so much but cant even be happy with our selves. im not saying that life is all about material. just google maslows hierarchy of needs and think, why am i depressed again? remember, life goes on.


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Re: depressed =( going to doctor tomorrow for help [Re: KidgardFromSRQ]
    #4838393 - 10/22/05 03:14 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think that is true. I am very grateful for what I have, yet I still get depressed. It is that thought of, if you are depressed about a decent life than you are not grateful, that really made me depressed.


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Re: depressed =( going to doctor tomorrow for help [Re: art]
    #4838491 - 10/22/05 03:44 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

i cant tell you how many times ive typed a reply in this thread only to close the window and say forget it.

truth is i am very torn on why it is i feel the way i do. i really think about this alot and try to view it from all angles. is it my self image? the music i listen to? my friends or lack there of? the games i play or the websites i visit? can it be chemical, can i ignore it? am i really depressed or is this just how i feel relative to summer vacation. god i dont know. i feel theres so much to think about ill never have enough time to get through it all.

but i have things i have to get done now. today. i cant wait for my answers to come. i need to be getting to class, keeping my grades up. taking care of myself, hygiene. staying positive when i could just as easily begin to isolate.

ive been taking lexapro 10mg for over a week now and ive felt better because of it. not significantly and i know it takes 3-4weeks, but it gives me a little peace of mind knowing that i am doing something about the way i feel.

i wish i had more to say, thank you all for your thoughts. its been an interesting read
-hunter


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Re: depressed =( going to doctor tomorrow for help [Re: swiftrance]
    #4838669 - 10/22/05 04:52 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

I am real happy for you, and I hope the lexapro will continue to work.


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Re: depressed =( going to doctor tomorrow for help [Re: art]
    #4838843 - 10/22/05 06:11 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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art said:
where did you get your information deviate? I have never heard of anyone getting addicted to SSRI's, I even asked my doctors about that and they have never heard of that either. The reason people kill themselves after taking SSRI's is due to there increase in energy, a sign of improvement. If a person has a high risk, then they are evaluated throughout the first couple of weeks. Again with the crack, SSRI's are not addicting, and will not kill you! From what everyone else has been saying, SSRI's just release serotonin, so then how can they not be effective if everyone will see an improvement? I am not sure if that is true but i will find out next Friday.



"Art....how are we supposed to tell you how to change your perception? We don't know what it is you're thinking (saying to yourself) that is making you depressed. What kind of negative thoughts about life do you have?"

That is my problem with your theory, I don't think I have any negative thoughts about life. I will try and try and describe my thoughts though. Maybe I am just missing something. I have a negative view on the world as a whole, but I have gotten over that. Although I think this world is a cruel and terrible place, my goal in life is to help other people. I feel that if I can help out one person then my life is not in vain. So although I have this negative view of the world I am very optimistic about my life. I look forward to growing up and being able to experience new things, and to continue to make a good impact on this world.




Do you know what the acronym stands for? Selective Serotonin Re uptake Inhibitor. It doesn't let it release...it keeps it from being sucked back up. Flooding the brain with it almost. You can find ways to increase your serotonin level without the use of these pills...and yes they definitely can be psychology addictive especially after years of use.


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Re: depressed =( going to doctor tomorrow for help [Re: MJF]
    #4838879 - 10/22/05 06:34 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

all I am saying is that if SSRI's increase your serotonin level with everyone, then how can 2/3 of the people not see results? I don't know if I am missing something here but that does not seem right.


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Re: depressed =( going to doctor tomorrow for help [Re: art]
    #4838926 - 10/22/05 06:50 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

maybe because it really is something more than just the chemicals flowing


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Re: depressed =( going to doctor tomorrow for help [Re: art]
    #4839052 - 10/22/05 07:36 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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where did you get your information deviate? I have never heard of anyone getting addicted to SSRI's, I even asked my doctors about that and they have never heard of that either. The reason people kill themselves after taking SSRI's is due to there increase in energy, a sign of improvement. If a person has a high risk, then they are evaluated throughout the first couple of weeks. Again with the crack, SSRI's are not addicting, and will not kill you! From what everyone else has been saying, SSRI's just release serotonin, so then how can they not be effective if everyone will see an improvement? I am not sure if that is true but i will find out next Friday.





i get my information from my psych proffesor, the internet and my personal experience with SSRIs. if youre doctors said no one got addicted they meant people don't become addicted to the "high", it doesn't mean there is no physical withdrawal. do a google search for "SSRI withdrawal". where do you get your information from? this statement sounds pretty strange to me "The reason people kill themselves after taking SSRI's is due to there increase in energy, a sign of improvement" why would an increase in energy cause people to kill themselves? because they were lazy to do it before?


also, as was said they dont release seretonin they prevent the reuptake and your body responds to this by producing less seretonin. people on antidepressents were found to have lower levels of seretonin than normal people.


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Re: depressed =( going to doctor tomorrow for help [Re: Deviate]
    #4839743 - 10/22/05 11:05 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Because one of the symptoms of depression is apathy, when people are very depressed they might have a suicide plan but just be to apathetic, and tired to act on it. Once they start taking the SSRI's they start getting more energy but can still be depressed, allowing for them to commit suicide.


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Re: depressed =( going to doctor tomorrow for help [Re: art]
    #4839971 - 10/23/05 12:02 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

i see. well personally i don't buy that explanation because as i said earlier i experienced suicide ideation while on effexor and it had nothing to do with apathy, nor was it an immediate affect (id been taking them for months). i suddenly felt an overwhelming feeling that life was not worth living and that there was no hope and my only option was to end it. luckily i managed to convince myself that it was just the drug messing with me and so i didnt go through with it but ive never experienced such a strong pull toward suicide while off medication no matter how depressed i was. i honestly believe the drugs can mess with your brain chemistry in a way that can make it much harder to see the bright side of living and this is major for the increased suicide risk. of course that's just my opinion though. how do you explain the increased murder rate? they were also too lazy to commit murder before taking the medication? i mean its possible i hardly think its an adequate explanation.


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Re: depressed =( going to doctor tomorrow for help [Re: swiftrance]
    #4840136 - 10/23/05 12:47 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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swiftrance said:
i cant tell you how many times ive typed a reply in this thread only to close the window and say forget it.

truth is i am very torn on why it is i feel the way i do. i really think about this alot and try to view it from all angles. is it my self image? the music i listen to? my friends or lack there of? the games i play or the websites i visit? can it be chemical, can i ignore it? am i really depressed or is this just how i feel relative to summer vacation. god i dont know. i feel theres so much to think about ill never have enough time to get through it all.

but i have things i have to get done now. today. i cant wait for my answers to come. i need to be getting to class, keeping my grades up. taking care of myself, hygiene. staying positive when i could just as easily begin to isolate.

ive been taking lexapro 10mg for over a week now and ive felt better because of it. not significantly and i know it takes 3-4weeks, but it gives me a little peace of mind knowing that i am doing something about the way i feel.

i wish i had more to say, thank you all for your thoughts. its been an interesting read
-hunter




just do stuff you enjoy and realize your life is good. theres always going to things in this world that suck or put you down. theres always obstacles. theres always something to fuck your day up. just acknowledge it. dont make a big deal. just deal with it. dont hold it all inside of you. talk freely but not negativley. be yourself.


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Re: depressed =( going to doctor tomorrow for help [Re: KidgardFromSRQ]
    #4841147 - 10/23/05 11:44 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

wow, I haven't heard of anything like that caused directly by an anti-depressant. Is effexor a SSRI?


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Re: depressed =( going to doctor tomorrow for help [Re: art]
    #4841318 - 10/23/05 12:37 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

yes and there are lots of cases of SSRIs causing that type of thing. just do a google search. you don't seem have to researched antidepressents that well.


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Re: depressed =( going to doctor tomorrow for help [Re: Deviate]
    #4843520 - 10/23/05 09:49 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

Art, how can you not know why you are getting randomly depressed. Are you not aware of your thoughts at all?

I'm about ready to give up here because we've explained it about a thousand times.

You say you were driving up to your friends house and you were very happy/excited and then all of a sudden you got depressed. You have to know why this is... your thoughts are clear as day unless you are in denial about your irrational fears and anxieties.

what is going on in your head at these times.

Next time you get 'randomly' depressed, stop. stop and think about what happened. you weren't depressed and your thoughts were focused around variable x. then think about what those thoughts snowballed or flew into and why this made you depressed. write it down if you have to. If you do this, then all of us here will have a way easier time understanding this whole thing.

Good luck and, honestly, I really hope you don't buy into the governments drugs.


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