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InvisibleAlex213
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Re: Knowing your enemy [Re: Redstorm]
    #4823488 - 10/19/05 12:06 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds like an act of war to me.

Seriously?

You can see no difference between a bunch of students taking over a building in Iran for several months before releasing everyone alive and the Iranian Air Force launching bombing raids on New York?

We'll have to disagree on that one.

You don't think taking over the embassy could be interpreted as the Iranian people expressing perfectly justifiable anger at american complicity and support of such a corrupt, nightmarish dictator as the Shah?

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Re: Knowing your enemy [Re: Alex213]
    #4824179 - 10/19/05 09:15 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Alex, try taking over the local Iranian embassy. See how Iran reacts. Now, try doing it while Tony Blair encourages the whole thing. See if Iran doesn't take it as an act of war. An embassy is like a piece of that country within another country. It's no different than invading part of that country. I've never seen anyone who so blindly hated the US as to think that the takeover of the American embassy was just a bunch of students expressing "justifiable anger" towards the US. This is low, even for you. Some of us prefer not to let our biases get in the way of the facts.


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Re: Knowing your enemy [Re: Alex213]
    #4824265 - 10/19/05 09:44 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Alex213 said:
Sounds like an act of war to me.

Seriously?

You can see no difference between a bunch of students taking over a building in Iran for several months before releasing everyone alive and the Iranian Air Force launching bombing raids on New York?

We'll have to disagree on that one.

You don't think taking over the embassy could be interpreted as the Iranian people expressing perfectly justifiable anger at american complicity and support of such a corrupt, nightmarish dictator as the Shah?




They are both acts of war. The bombing raids would lead to a greater loss of lives, but they are both acts of war.

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Re: Knowing your enemy [Re: Redstorm]
    #4824348 - 10/19/05 10:11 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

The bombing raids would lead to a greater loss of lives, but they are both acts of war.

But clearly it wasn't considered an act of war by either the US or Iran otherwise they would have declared war on each other.

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Re: Knowing your enemy [Re: Alex213]
    #4824352 - 10/19/05 10:13 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Alex213 said:
The bombing raids would lead to a greater loss of lives, but they are both acts of war.

But clearly it wasn't considered an act of war by either the US or Iran otherwise they would have declared war on each other.



Uhh...did you ever stop to think that maybe...just maybe...the US wanted to keep the hostages alive?


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Re: Knowing your enemy [Re: Alex213]
    #4824532 - 10/19/05 11:03 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Alex213 said:
The bombing raids would lead to a greater loss of lives, but they are both acts of war.

But clearly it wasn't considered an act of war by either the US or Iran otherwise they would have declared war on each other.




Let's not forget that the biggest cunt ever elected to any office ever was president. He was so bad that Ronald fucking Reagan won in a landslide. RR didn't turn out too bad but nobody knew that going in. The presidential election of 1980 was all about ABC, Anybody But Carter.


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Re: Knowing your enemy [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4824619 - 10/19/05 11:23 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah but even Reagan didn't declare war on Iran when he came to power.

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Re: Knowing your enemy [Re: Alex213]
    #4825229 - 10/19/05 02:00 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Alex213 said:
Yeah but even Reagan didn't declare war on Iran when he came to power.



That's because he arranged to have the hostages released as soon as he came to office.


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Re: Knowing your enemy [Re: Silversoul]
    #4825340 - 10/19/05 02:25 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Paradigm said:
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MagicalMystery said:
If you only consider the front-line troop putting his life on the line to be directly responsible,obsolving those who are in the planning and finance stages of being "directly responsible", can I assume that you no longer criticize Bush for his actions persuant to the Iraq war?



Since when is direct responsibility the only type of responsibility that can be criticized?




You still haven't worked out that reading issue, have you? Lets try this, Fun with Reading and Paradigm part infinity.


Swami said...
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"We've killed or captured nearly all of those directly responsible for the September 11attacks"

Those DIRECTLY responsible all died in the crashes.




Then I responded TO HIM

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If you only consider the front-line troop putting his life on the line to be directly responsible,obsolving those who are in the planning and finance stages of being "directly responsible", can I assume that you no longer criticize Bush for his actions persuant to the Iraq war?




Do you see where I was going? He didn't say that bin-Laden was "directly responsible", he didn't say that any of the other planners were "directly responsible". So I'm assuming that, using that standard, the only people who are DIRECTLY responsible for the Iraq war are the ground soldiers that are there fighting the war.


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Re: Knowing your enemy [Re: Alex213]
    #4825344 - 10/19/05 02:25 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Alex213 said:
Come on Red, does taking over an embassy in Iran really mean you are at war with America?





Yes, attacking an embassy is an act of war.


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Re: Knowing your enemy [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4825350 - 10/19/05 02:26 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

You could research diplomatic treaties and the establishment of diplomatic immunity. Attacking a diplomatic residence, building or person is considered an act of war, if the acts are condoned or sponsored by a host nation.


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"We can have peace and security only as long as we band together to preserve that most priceless possession, our inheritance of European blood."
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"We must secure the existance of our people and a future for White children."
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Re: Knowing your enemy [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4825382 - 10/19/05 02:32 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Actually, a more appropriate analogy would be to say that only the troops on the ground are directly responsible for killing Iraqis, which would be a fairly accurate statement. That's not saying that Bush or any of the higher-ups aren't responsible, only that they aren't directly responsible. The same could be applied to Bin Laden and the 9/11 planners.


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Re: Knowing your enemy [Re: Silversoul]
    #4825392 - 10/19/05 02:34 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Apparently bold-texting the critical parts doesn't seem to matter to you. I said that SWAMI believes that only the front-line soldier is 'directly responsible'. I'm not questioning YOUR definition, Im asking our great prognosticator what HE thinks.


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"We can have peace and security only as long as we band together to preserve that most priceless possession, our inheritance of European blood."
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"We must secure the existance of our people and a future for White children."
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Re: Knowing your enemy [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4825410 - 10/19/05 02:39 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Apparently the actual content of people's posts doesn't matter to you. I'm going by Swami's definition as well. There is nothing in his post to indicate that he absolves Bin Laden of all responsibility. He merely indicates, quite correctly, that only the hijackers on those planes were directly responsible for flying them into the WTC. There is nothing in that statement which indicates that Bin Laden wasn't indirectly responsible or that he should be let off the hook. It seems your reading comprehension skills are as bad as Warrior's.


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Re: Knowing your enemy [Re: Silversoul]
    #4825422 - 10/19/05 02:43 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Swami - Do you hold Bush/Blair etc "DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE" for the war in Iraq?


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"We can have peace and security only as long as we band together to preserve that most priceless possession, our inheritance of European blood."
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Re: Knowing your enemy [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4827829 - 10/20/05 12:13 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, attacking an embassy is an act of war.

Not according to either the government of Iran or the government of America otherwise war would have been declared.

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Re: Knowing your enemy [Re: Alex213]
    #4828940 - 10/20/05 09:59 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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Alex213 said:
Yes, attacking an embassy is an act of war.

Not according to either the government of Iran or the government of America otherwise war would have been declared.





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Re: Knowing your enemy [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4829074 - 10/20/05 10:56 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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MagicalMystery said:
Swami - Do you hold Bush/Blair etc "DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE" for the war in Iraq?




You've been here long enough to know that Swami blesses us with only one witty, ultra-rational post a thread. Anymore than that and our reasoning ability might overload and cause malfunction. Just wait in anticipation for the next post in a different thread to get your daily fix.


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