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What water content should 50/50 cow manure/verm have?
    #4828255 - 10/20/05 04:27 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

What water content should 50/50 cow manure/verm have?
I have bone dry cow manure mixed with verm, how much water should I add (please dont say feild capacity!) I want % weight not volume


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Re: What water content should 50/50 cow manure/verm have? [Re: blackout]
    #4828306 - 10/20/05 04:55 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Dude, just mix the shit and verm up, and then, submerge it in water . Then take it out, then squeeze out as much as you basically can so that you can't squeeze out anymore, and then you have moist stuff.
why are you using cow and vermiculite where'd you hear that itws interesting. I once did dry old pine needles and donkey shit I had three giant shrooms thaty weighed 210 grams together really i took it to the butcher and weighed it i didnt have a scale. ha! at least it wasin a bag so they didnt see...
dry old pine needles coz new ones well, they got resins.
my next recipe will call for 1 third donkey shit, 1 third chopped straw, and i guess i guess one fifth vermiculite tandthe difference will make up with donkeyshit and straw...


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Re: What water content should 50/50 cow manure/verm have? [Re: Shampioenier]
    #4828318 - 10/20/05 05:00 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

proceed like this:

for the verm, ill quote anno.
first verm in a bowl then:

Quote:

Pour water slowly over the vermiculite while stirring with a spoon.
Be careful to only put that much water in as it can be absorbed by the vermiculite. Stir it well so all the vermiculite is uniformly soaked with water.

When you tilt the bowl you should see just a little water starting coming from the vermiculite.
This is when the correct water content is achieved.
If there is too much water in the bowl, pour the wet vermiculite in a strainer and let the excess water drain for a minute. Then the vermiculite will be at the field capacity, which is perfect.




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thats about it for the verm, for the shit, lets take the dude above.
first pasteurize it in, say hot water, then:
Quote:

Then take it out, then squeeze out as much as you basically can so that you can't squeeze out anymore, and then you have moist stuff.





mix the two and dance the rumba !
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Re: What water content should 50/50 cow manure/verm have? [Re: ohmatic]
    #4828338 - 10/20/05 05:17 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Thanks guys, but both are the field capacity methods. I much prefer working with weights rather than estimates on how tight people grips are. I prepared manure to FC before and it was too wet, I added dry straw and it is colonising now, very slowly, I think it is still too wet. I did a second lot which I squeezed very well, I think it was too wet again though.

I will be microwaving the manure/verm so it will be loosing moisture. This will be added back in the form of LC. I could prepare to FC and weigh, microwave, weigh again and calculate the moisture loss. I would prefer to get optimal moisture though. The jar will be sealed so I cannot squeeze after microwaving.

I also prefer to add just enough water so no nutes are lost while straining.


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Re: What water content should 50/50 cow manure/verm have? [Re: blackout]
    #4828350 - 10/20/05 05:26 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

oh you want a ratio thingie, well, allright then stick to the mushmush recipe for
growing pan cyan - it work just as nice for the cubes.


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For 4 standard spawn bags we use: 1/2 kilogram dry straw, 4 liters of dried dung, 3 liters of vermiculite and 3-4 liters of water




thats about what you are looking for right,
well here is the link of your choice then: http://www.mushmush.nl/?page=home\method...olus_tropicalis

have fun.

btw, you dont really strain the nutes, i did water pasteurisation over and over
again and it really pumped out impressively fucking huge shrooms :wink:
anyway, do as you like to - personal preference is what it is all about in mushies.
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Re: What water content should 50/50 cow manure/verm have? [Re: ohmatic]
    #4828358 - 10/20/05 05:33 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

At least the straw was given in weight, but depending on how fine and compressed your manure and verm is their weight could change a large amount. I like exactness and volumes of compressible stuff and estimates on squeezing are not great.

I have a figure of 65% moisture for manure in my head. Time to go searching.

(BTW I searched high and low and could not find weight recipies for the PF tek!, even started a thread and nobody knew)


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Re: What water content should 50/50 cow manure/verm have? [Re: blackout]
    #4828365 - 10/20/05 05:37 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

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blackout said:
I like exactness and volumes of compressible stuff and estimates on squeezing are not great.





squeezing results in having a substrate witht the optimal moisture content,
nothing any direct mix can deliver you as whatever digestive system horses/cows
have and whatever straw/hay/verm is being used - you can never get a 100% exact
mix whereas the squeezing will leave you with optimal saturation.

i myself preferr mixing my grains for example in a ratio system with water before
sterilizing them, i must agree that to a certain point ratios are of great use,
but in the means of preparing bulk substrates, they are way inferior to "da squeeze" :wink:
peace ohm :mushroom2:




*edit* - didnt want a new post for this
Quote:

BTW I searched high and low and could not find weight recipies for the PF tek!, even started a thread and nobody knew)




the original pftek formula states:
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1/8 cup of brown rice powder (Health food stores and co-ops)
1/2 - 2/3 cup of horticultural vermiculite (medium grade) (garden centers and hardware)
40-45 cc's (milliliters) of water or (a little less than 1/4 cup) (1&1/2 ounces) (3 tablespoons + 1 teaspoon)

Maximum fruiting formula:
1/4 cup of brown rice powder
1/2 cup of vermiculite
60 cc's water




any help ?
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Edited by ohmatic (10/20/05 05:39 AM)


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Re: What water content should 50/50 cow manure/verm have? [Re: Shampioenier]
    #4828375 - 10/20/05 05:43 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

yo O u still there!?


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Re: What water content should 50/50 cow manure/verm have? [Re: Shampioenier]
    #4828383 - 10/20/05 05:47 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

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sampioenier said:
yo O u still there!?




where?
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Re: What water content should 50/50 cow manure/verm have? [Re: Shampioenier]
    #4828391 - 10/20/05 05:52 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

Good point ohmatic! the bit about what the cows are eating makes sense. I will add a little water at a time and keep squeezing until I get a bare drop out of it, as I said I think mine were all too wet. Even with agars new compost he said add water to field capacity, I would have though with synthetic compost you should know accurate moisture levels.

The PF tek has the same problem, verm and BRF are compressible so volumes will lead to errors, I gave up on cakes a long time ago, I think some problems were down to the innaccuracies that volume bring. I find it bizzare that the often mentioned PF recipie never had one done on weights. They always mention how important the correct moisture content is, then throw accuracy out the window by using volumes


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Re: What water content should 50/50 cow manure/verm have? [Re: blackout]
    #4828401 - 10/20/05 05:57 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

well, concerning the weight in pf, there is tons of different vermiculite styles.

some got more big flakes, some more of the smaller kind,
some are shaped like this, some shaped like that - all resulting in
X grams of verm brand A NOT going to take the adequate ammount of water
as X grams of verm brand B will - get me ?

you CANT make it on weights due to that.

concerning the squeezing of the manure, you will find out that this is the best way to do it.

if you want to do it all beforehand, you can, for example proceed like this.

break up your manure, dump it in water, let it soak for an hour or two,
take out, squeeze the living fuck out of it, pack into PP bag,
seal bag, microwave - let cool and use.

btw, i think we both agree on the fact that cakes are teh sux :wink:
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Re: What water content should 50/50 cow manure/verm have? [Re: Shampioenier]
    #4828410 - 10/20/05 06:03 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

donkey shit is better yo cause its more fibrous cows look like they got the shits the whole time like diarrea.
well relatively speakin O Id say dat we is in space right now...! and also very high above several other inhabited planets about 20 gadzillion light centuries away from us... and also 20 billion zillion light aeons to the left and right and also beneath other habited planets that are so far away the space seems dark but if we could see so far then we';d see more and more stars in farct if we could see that far in fact we would go blind because they have finally proven the universe is infinitely expanding (no shit),and if we could see that far we wouldn't for very long because all that ligh would just flood in... id say we are here and there at the same tim relatively speaking, a.k.a we are free!!!!


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Re: What water content should 50/50 cow manure/verm have? [Re: Shampioenier]
    #4828412 - 10/20/05 06:05 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

being able to kick off from donkeyshit and talking about the universe in the same post is absolutely astonishing ..


.. and somewhat scary o_O
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Re: What water content should 50/50 cow manure/verm have? [Re: Shampioenier]
    #4828415 - 10/20/05 06:06 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

hey how'd you know my one is is bigger than the other one. How astonishing considering that in fact donkey shit is part of the universe!
haha... :wink:


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Re: What water content should 50/50 cow manure/verm have? [Re: Shampioenier]
    #4828421 - 10/20/05 06:12 AM (16 years, 9 days ago)

how long u been growin shrooms dude?


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Re: What water content should 50/50 cow manure/verm have? [Re: Shampioenier]
    #4829336 - 10/20/05 02:27 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

OK
Jar was 342g
Microwaved bone dry manure + verm was 57g
Soaked to FC weighed 502g with the jar.
so it was 160g wet. so 103ml/g of water was added.
This is 64% water content. This is close to the 65% that was in my head for manure, but I thought the added verm would take more. I prefer to stay drier than wet so it is good enough for me.


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Re: What water content should 50/50 cow manure/verm have? [Re: Shampioenier]
    #4829508 - 10/20/05 02:55 PM (16 years, 8 days ago)

Quote:

sampioenier said:
donkey shit is better yo cause its more fibrous cows look like they got the shits the whole time like diarrea.
well relatively speakin O Id say dat we is in space right now...! and also very high above several other inhabited planets about 20 gadzillion light centuries away from us... and also 20 billion zillion light aeons to the left and right and also beneath other habited planets that are so far away the space seems dark but if we could see so far then we';d see more and more stars in farct if we could see that far in fact we would go blind because they have finally proven the universe is infinitely expanding (no shit),and if we could see that far we wouldn't for very long because all that ligh would just flood in... id say we are here and there at the same tim relatively speaking, a.k.a we are free!!!!





WTF??? :crazy:

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Re: What water content should 50/50 cow manure/verm have? [Re: blackout]
    #5065720 - 12/15/05 05:12 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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blackout said:
OK
Jar was 342g
Microwaved bone dry manure + verm was 57g
Soaked to FC weighed 502g with the jar.
so it was 160g wet. so 103ml/g of water was added.



I added back 103ml today in the form of an LC. incubating at 86F


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