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On Forming a White Nation
    #4827407 - 10/19/05 10:14 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Paradigm has stated that he thinks that White Nationalists should form their own nation, elsewhere than America. He has also stated that they should start a commune to be by themselves. Here is my question;

Stormfront has about 61 thousand members. Lets assume that each and every one of them moved to a small town in the Pacific North West. Lets assume, just for some numbers to throw out, that the town had a population of about 15,000 residents. All of the 61K WN's that moved there would be so well coordinated that they'd have jobs set up, land purchased for farming, and enough money with them to make this mass exodus financially possible. Lets say that they used the power-of-the-majority to vote all white nationalist leaders in to power. They then hired all white nationalist law enforcement and city personnel. Again, lets assume that this land was working out, low crime rate, great school systems, etc, and more white people decided to move out there. Eventually the one white town became 10, then 50, then the whole state was filled with a few hundred thousand new White Nationalists. The majority vote always went for pro-Nationalistic causes. Non-whites felt that they were not welcome and decided to move out.

What would you want the US government to do? What if the movement kept growing? Would you hope that the government stopped this exodus and used their jackbooted thugs to end the "uprising"?


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4827415 - 10/19/05 10:17 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Only one problem. No women.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
    #4827423 - 10/19/05 10:18 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Lots of stormfronters are VERY hot chicks :wink: trust me


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"We can have peace and security only as long as we band together to preserve that most priceless possession, our inheritance of European blood."
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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4827426 - 10/19/05 10:19 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

It would be more appropriate to use their Billy-bob booted thugs


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: carbonhoots]
    #4827431 - 10/19/05 10:22 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Hm, the jackboots seemed to work in Ruby Ridge and in Waco, I don't think that they need to trade them in.

Also, your jew-media influenced belief that all racists are backwoods, cousin-fucking rednecks is pathetic and hypocritical. The rally cry of "We are all the same and equal! Except people that don't think like us!" is pathetic. It's almost as blindly absurd as the jews shrilling about the religion of multiculturalism in America while at the same time encouraging the US to spend billions of dollars and lives to support the Jew-homeland.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4827435 - 10/19/05 10:23 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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What would you want the US government to do?




I would want them to let me do drugs in peace.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: carbonhoots]
    #4827438 - 10/19/05 10:23 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: nunciate]
    #4827454 - 10/19/05 10:27 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I personally wouldn't have a problem with it.  I think that a few WN's would be upset by it, but, well, fuck 'em :smile:  Would you move there if they did?

That brings up an interesting question.... lets say that in this White Nationalist state, lets say we managed to have the highest literacy rate in schools, the highest college admission rates and the lowest crime rates, as the segregated America did before the jews got their hands on the strings, would YOU move there?


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4827463 - 10/19/05 10:29 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I wouldn't be allowed. I'm not, like, totally white and stuff.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: nunciate]
    #4827467 - 10/19/05 10:31 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Oh? What race are ya?


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4827472 - 10/19/05 10:33 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Mostly Dutch. Some Brit-ish and ~1/8 Sioux.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: nunciate]
    #4827490 - 10/19/05 10:37 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I"d say, personally, that anyone that felt that white culture was worth preserving and not mixing with othercultures by force would probably be welcome, if you were productive. OF course, we've gotten way off track here. I'm anxious to se e what Paradigm has to say about this.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4827516 - 10/19/05 10:45 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

And I'd say, personally, that you are very short sighted.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: nunciate]
    #4827522 - 10/19/05 10:51 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Oh? Read that link that I provided. Before WWII, America wasn't a cesspit of rape, murder and gun crime.

People seem to think of racists as a new thing, or some inbred grandpa off in the woods drinking moonshine. I'd like them to realize that most of America, up until the end of the 50's, were "Racist". They weren't out burning crosses and lyncing people, for the most part, but the whites stuck by themselves and thrived and the other races did as they pleased. When the multicultural wave was pushed onto America, what did whites get? They got stuck with guilt for all of the failings of non-whites, they were told how bad white people were and how evil our traditional values were. They were told that wanting their white kids to go to white schools to be taught white values by white teachers was a near sin. And look at where we are now.

I'm not short sighted, I'm looking to protect my people for the future. Whats going to happen when their are more non-Whites than whites in america? Are they all going to decide to stop their violence? Are the blacks that are now SEVEN TIMES as likely as a white to commite a violent crime going to sit back in this racial brotherhood land and stop murdering? Hardly. It's going to get worse and worse. Eventually we'll end up being another South Africa. We will have handed power over to the blacks and noone will care that w eare being slaughtered. Well, I care. If other whites don't care then they can get the hell out of our way.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4827535 - 10/19/05 10:58 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Funny. My great-grandfather was a racist, sitting in the woods drinking moonshine. He hated white people fror raping and pillaging his cousins and land. Isn't it ironic, dontcha think?
I would love to debate the merits of multi-culturalism and how most cultures inevitably borrow from one another making the claim to one specific culture moot, but, I gotta go rape seven times as many times as the average white man.
I hope you'll understand my busy schedule.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: nunciate]
    #4827547 - 10/19/05 11:02 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Your grandfather seems like a smart man. Ask him what happens when you allow people who aren't of your culture to come in. Ask him what happens when you don't have immigration policies. See if what he tells you meshes with what the TV tells you about the glories of immigration and "multiculturalism".


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"We can have peace and security only as long as we band together to preserve that most priceless possession, our inheritance of European blood."
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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4827572 - 10/19/05 11:09 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Your grandfather seems like a smart man. Ask him what happens when you allow people who aren't of your culture to come in.




Allowing others is one thing. Having them force their way in is another.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: nunciate]
    #4827621 - 10/19/05 11:19 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Whites traded with the Indians. At what point do you see it being "force"? Probably when whites had decimiated the Indians? When Whites were a majority? Then the Indians couldn't do anything but try to fight back, lose, and become a minority in their "own" country. As I said, see what happens


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"Men trained in arms from their infancy, and animated by the love of liberty, will afford neither a cheap or easy conquest."
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"We can have peace and security only as long as we band together to preserve that most priceless possession, our inheritance of European blood."
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"We must secure the existance of our people and a future for White children."
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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4827656 - 10/19/05 11:26 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I don't believe that movement would spread like you believe it would.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Redstorm]
    #4827663 - 10/19/05 11:28 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I'm saying "If". need we look that word up?


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"We can have peace and security only as long as we band together to preserve that most priceless possession, our inheritance of European blood."
Charles A. Lindbergh,"Aviation, Geography, and Race", Reader's Digest, Nov. 1939

"We must secure the existance of our people and a future for White children."
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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4827667 - 10/19/05 11:30 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

You don't think that the murdering, looting blacks are driving whites away from their homes? You think that White Flight is some myth that us honky racists made up? Do you think that whites are going to enjoy living in a country with a non-white majority? Do you think that blacks will stop being so violent when they outnumber whites? Do you think that their is some magical number, in dollars, that we can give non-whites and they'll say "OK, thats it, we are even, slavery and all that, we'll call it even and stop whining and stop giving excuses"?


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From the Declaration of the Continental Congress

"We can have peace and security only as long as we band together to preserve that most priceless possession, our inheritance of European blood."
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"We must secure the existance of our people and a future for White children."
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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4827696 - 10/19/05 11:37 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

No to all of the above.

No matter what whites do, though, they will never live in a utopia. Whites have lived in riacial homogeneous societies in the past with crime and violence.

I would have no problem with them setting up their own city for themselves. As long is it was a private society, there would be no problems.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4827701 - 10/19/05 11:39 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Stormfront has about 61 thousand members. Lets assume that each and every one of them moved to a small town in the Pacific North West. Lets assume, just for some numbers to throw out, that the town had a population of about 15,000 residents. All of the 61K WN's that moved there would be so well coordinated that they'd have jobs set up, land purchased for farming, and enough money with them to make this mass exodus financially possible.




They would? You seriously think that all 61,000 stormfront forum members all a) actually racist individuals and not trolls, puppets and defunct members and b) that they're all "well coordinated"?

I've known a couple of people in my city that have some kind of significant position as racists. One is a brother and sister, the sister having started one of the largest white nationalist groups in ontario. They both worked at a big call centre that I worked at for a while doing tech support, not making a whole lot and doing a job that any idiot can get. Oh, and the brother was on his way to getting fired, but that was okay, he'd be able to go back to working at Walmart, he said. He spent a year in jail for child porn when he was 19 and his sister tries to play down his existance.

Here's an article about them, Melissa and Chris: http://www.antiracistaction.ca/journeyintodarkness.html

Another guy who went to my high school had his name in the paper in an article about local racist groups. I found some of his posts on the internet where he talked about how he thought blacks were all useless criminals. Funny thing is, this douchebag dropped out of high school, has some illegal weapons charges under his belt, and in high school he used to get into fights all the time, and sold a lot of drugs.

Now, two of these people were at the upper eschelons of a pretty big group, and they hardly count as the well coordinated types. I have trouble seeing them purchasing land and getting well organized. I can see them talking about it, but I can't see them doing it, they're both working shitty jobs and not exactly heading for riches. The other one is just an idiot who'll probably end up in jail.

Do you really think that all the members of stormfront are more organized than them? Some, sure, but even a somewhat significant amount? Unlikely.

What if the movement just kept growing? Well, what if all the blacks just mysteriously died off out of nowhere? What if aliens came out of space, vacuumed up all the whites, and whisked them away to their own awesome planet with rollercoasters and where you can live off of candy and beer and remain healthy? If that happens, well, there you go!


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Redstorm]
    #4827761 - 10/19/05 11:53 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

So what do you think will happen when whites realize what the problem is?


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From the Declaration of the Continental Congress

"We can have peace and security only as long as we band together to preserve that most priceless possession, our inheritance of European blood."
Charles A. Lindbergh,"Aviation, Geography, and Race", Reader's Digest, Nov. 1939

"We must secure the existance of our people and a future for White children."
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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4827767 - 10/19/05 11:55 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

What problem? That human beings are filthy, uncivilized, violent things?

I would imagine they will keep whining about other races and doing nothing about it.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Redstorm]
    #4827794 - 10/20/05 12:01 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Are you serious? For most of our history, white people met the modern definition of "racist". They appreciated their own culture more than others. They sought to emulate their own culture over others. Now it's changing. White nations DO work, as the past has seen. What would a White-run nation consist of ? The same values and ethics that made America THE world super power. Most pre 1960's Americans would fit the mold of todays "racist". Every day guys, business owners, intelligent people, college professors, all lived in mainly white neighborhoods in mainly white cities, disapproved of interracial relationships and had strong work ethic. Don't you find that the change from that America VERY IRONICALLY coincides with the violent America? The gun-banning America? The liberal elite America?


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"We can have peace and security only as long as we band together to preserve that most priceless possession, our inheritance of European blood."
Charles A. Lindbergh,"Aviation, Geography, and Race", Reader's Digest, Nov. 1939

"We must secure the existance of our people and a future for White children."
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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4827855 - 10/20/05 12:23 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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You don't think that the murdering, looting blacks are driving whites away from their homes? You think that White Flight is some myth that us honky racists made up?



White flight is very real and very mainstream. I'll concede the point that we are in fact in a culture war, but culture is chosen and not something we are born into. I reject most modern "white" culture and I reject most modern "black" culture. Culture is not a racial issue, but it is a matter of choice. Are some cultures inferior to others? Absolutely. Does race necisarily require you to subscribe to a certain culture? Absolutely not.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: z@z.com]
    #4827863 - 10/20/05 12:27 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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I reject most modern "white" culture




You speak very good English, you use excellent grammar and punctuation.  Your quote underneath your name is from a movie made by two white guys.  What type of music do you listen to? So far I don't see you "Rejecting" anything.
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and I reject most modern "black" culture.




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Culture is not a racial issue, but it is a matter of choice. Are some cultures inferior to others? Absolutely. Does race necisarily require you to subscribe to a certain culture? Absolutely not.



Do you think that the 12.5% of blacks in America are disproportionatly represnted in "modern culture"?  All I see on MTV are blacks acting in the way that seems more linkable to "black culture".  Now white kids are starting to act like that.  Do you think that more white kids acting in a "black cultural" manner is good for our people or bad?


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4827946 - 10/20/05 12:54 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

The NBA dress code may be a step in the right direction for blacks. Or they may riot over it.

What do you think about this article MagicalMystery?


I would move to the white city. Just like everyone else when white flight sets in.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: daimyo]
    #4827964 - 10/20/05 12:58 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I think that DEEJAY needs to have his throat cut and be dumped in a trench somewhere.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4827972 - 10/20/05 01:00 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

If I was identified as a "hipster" I think I'd kill myself.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4827978 - 10/20/05 01:02 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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I reject most modern "white" culture




You speak very good English, you use excellent grammar and punctuation.  Your quote underneath your name is from a movie made by two white guys.  What type of music do you listen to? So far I don't see you "Rejecting" anything.




I reject the "MTV Generation" culture. I don't want anything to do with it. Some of it is "black" culture, but it is also modern "white" culture. You seem to only identify the good parts of our culture with whites, but you must also recognize the bad. Also My quote is from a writer who never made a single movie so please refrain from criticizing me based on something you know nothing about.
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and I reject most modern "black" culture.




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Culture is not a racial issue, but it is a matter of choice. Are some cultures inferior to others? Absolutely. Does race necessarily require you to subscribe to a certain culture? Absolutely not.



Do you think that the 12.5% of blacks in America are disproportionatly represnted in "modern culture"?  All I see on MTV are blacks acting in the way that seems more linkable to "black culture".  Now white kids are starting to act like that.  Do you think that more white kids acting in a "black cultural" manner is good for our people or bad?



I think that it is disproportionate that blacks tend to follow a negative culture, but I refuse to believe that it is genetic in any way. I know quite a few black people that I not only consider to be good decent people, but I also consider them to be people whom I would emulate.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: daimyo]
    #4827990 - 10/20/05 01:05 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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What do you think about this article MagicalMystery?





Casady was raised in Santa Barbara, Calif., but quickly notes her worldliness by listing the cities where she has lived along the trail to Brooklyn. A regular Kill Whitie partygoer, she tried the conventional (that is, non-hipster) hip-hop clubs but found the men "really hard-core." In this vastly whiter scene, Casady said that "it's a safe environment to be freaky."


It's good to know that white girls realize that being in a place with lots of black men is a bad situation to be in.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4828020 - 10/20/05 01:10 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Do you think that the 12.5% of blacks in America are disproportionatly represnted in "modern culture"? All I see on MTV are blacks acting in the way that seems more linkable to "black culture". Now white kids are starting to act like that. Do you think that more white kids acting in a "black cultural" manner is good for our people or bad?



Sorry, but I totally ignored your questions in my last post. I do think that black culture is disproportionately represented in modern culture, but my problem with it has nothing to do with the fact that it is "black" culture it has to do with the fact that it is selfish and immoral. Modern white culture has the same flaws. I would say that people subscribing to modern culture where selfishness and the willingness to compromise the rights of others reigns is a bad thing in general whether it is black or white. Just look at the modern white "gimme generation" if you want to see a good example of it. This culture war is nothing new and it has very little to do with race.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: z@z.com]
    #4828045 - 10/20/05 01:15 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Sorry, but I totally ignored your questions in my last post. I do think that black culture is disproportionately represented in modern culture, but my problem with it has nothing to do with the fact that it is "black" culture it has to do with the fact that it is selfish and immoral. Modern white culture has the same flaws.




I would retort that modern "white" culture has those flaws because we've taken on some of the black culture. Would you say that pre 1950's America was doing pretty good? Low crime, highest in the world in math and reading skills? I'd say it's because we were whites living in a white nation
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I would say that people subscribing to modern culture where selfishness and the willingness to compromise the rights of others reigns is a bad thing in general whether it is black or white. Just look at the modern white "gimme generation" if you want to see a good example of it. This culture war is nothing new and it has very little to do with race.



Whites didn't have this cultural influence until the 60's+ and they didn't have that sickness either.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4828080 - 10/20/05 01:25 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

hey magical, heres a newsflash, the white neocans have shitcanned your economy and you now need skilled immigrants and poor mexicans to keep your nation afloat. Ha, too bad for you, fortunately, you are of a dying breed.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Doom]
    #4828096 - 10/20/05 01:29 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Oh yea, we "need" tons more darkies, that'll solve it.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Doom]
    #4828101 - 10/20/05 01:31 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I do not believe America needs immigrants workers to keep the nation afloat. This country needs to have a minimum wage of at least $8/hr.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4828107 - 10/20/05 01:33 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

keep dreaming dream-boy, if only you could consolidate your laughable views with a knowledge of economics, then you might be able to formulate a plan for an all-white-future.

Luckily, fuck-ups are rarely educated enough reconcile their fantasies with a strong work ethic and applicable pragmatism.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: daimyo]
    #4828111 - 10/20/05 01:34 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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I do not believe America needs immigrants workers to keep the nation afloat. This country needs to have a minimum wage of at least $8/hr.




and what the fuck do you know about anything? increase the minimum wage? thats your solution? ha!

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Doom]
    #4828116 - 10/20/05 01:35 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I can see that the intelligence wagon just unloaded a new guy at our doorstep.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4828120 - 10/20/05 01:37 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

His "neocan"-bashing diction is amazing.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4828123 - 10/20/05 01:37 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Paradigm has stated that he thinks that White Nationalists should form their own nation, elsewhere than America. He has also stated that they should start a commune to be by themselves. Here is my question;

Stormfront has about 61 thousand members. Lets assume that each and every one of them moved to a small town in the Pacific North West. Lets assume, just for some numbers to throw out, that the town had a population of about 15,000 residents. All of the 61K WN's that moved there would be so well coordinated that they'd have jobs set up, land purchased for farming, and enough money with them to make this mass exodus financially possible. Lets say that they used the power-of-the-majority to vote all white nationalist leaders in to power. They then hired all white nationalist law enforcement and city personnel. Again, lets assume that this land was working out, low crime rate, great school systems, etc, and more white people decided to move out there. Eventually the one white town became 10, then 50, then the whole state was filled with a few hundred thousand new White Nationalists. The majority vote always went for pro-Nationalistic causes. Non-whites felt that they were not welcome and decided to move out.

What would you want the US government to do? What if the movement kept growing? Would you hope that the government stopped this exodus and used their jackbooted thugs to end the "uprising"?




what would the white nationalists do if a bunch of black people did this? would you do everything in your power to stop it?

on a side note, some scientologists tried to do this and got caught... only thing was they didn't exactly have enough people to make a majority, so they put some mild food poisoning into the food at a popular buffet... of course they got caught, and were not successful in siezing power...


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4828126 - 10/20/05 01:38 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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I can see that the intelligence wagon just unloaded a new guy at our doorstep.




ok shitforbrains, at least im not the lazy nutter with the big dreams who doesnt have the balls to educate himself well enough to get his hands dirty.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MikeOLogical]
    #4828129 - 10/20/05 01:39 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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what would the white nationalists do if a bunch of black people did this? would you do everything in your power to stop it?




Cheer wildly in the streets. Part of wanting my own nation for my people is the inherent belief that other races should have the same.
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on a side note, some scientologists tried to do this and got caught... only thing was they didn't exactly have enough people to make a majority, so they put some mild food poisoning into the food at a popular buffet... of course they got caught, and were not successful in siezing power...



Scientologist are, according to studies done at Yale and Harvard, retarded.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Doom]
    #4828130 - 10/20/05 01:39 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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and what the fuck do you know about anything? increase the minimum wage? thats your solution? ha!




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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Doom]
    #4828131 - 10/20/05 01:39 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

OMG LIKEI HAVE AN EDJUCASHUIN AND UR JUST FUCKIN LASY FOR NOT LIKE DOIN STUFF AND SHIT

If that wasn't dumbed down enough for you, I suppose I could smoke crack and type it out then.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: daimyo]
    #4828133 - 10/20/05 01:40 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

yup


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: daimyo]
    #4828139 - 10/20/05 01:41 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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I do not believe America needs immigrants workers to keep the nation afloat. This country needs to have a minimum wage of at least $8/hr.



I know many people whose labor is not worth $8 an hour. If that was the minimum they would be either unemployed or inflation would have to catch up to the wages.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4828142 - 10/20/05 01:43 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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OMG LIKEI HAVE AN EDJUCASHUIN AND UR JUST FUCKIN LASY FOR NOT LIKE DOIN STUFF AND SHIT

If that wasn't dumbed down enough for you, I suppose I could smoke crack and type it out then.




haha, what a dork. Is that you trying to be witty? "turn of your mind"? how cheezy can you get? god I cant believe someone like you exists, you sound like the bastard child of a KKK lackie and a P-funk groupie.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: z@z.com]
    #4828145 - 10/20/05 01:44 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

If you can't work hard enough to earn that, you deserve to die of starvation.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Doom]
    #4828149 - 10/20/05 01:46 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

"Turn of your mind"? Great skills homeskillet, maybe it's time to lurk back to the potty room while us adults talk about grown up things. Off has two "F"s, by the way.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: daimyo]
    #4828155 - 10/20/05 01:47 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

But how can any job pay that? I just don't see how we can arbitrarily say that any labor is worth eight bucks an hour. Someone working the McD's drive thru selling 30$ worth of cheeseburgers in an hour isn't going to be able to make 8$/ hour.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4828156 - 10/20/05 01:47 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I wonder what Paul McCartney's take on the matter is?

Are you just some guy who's never even done mushrooms out on a mission to enlighten people?

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4828162 - 10/20/05 01:48 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

People making $5.15 can't afford a decent life(not even close). There has to be some give.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: daimyo]
    #4828166 - 10/20/05 01:50 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

People working at mcdonalds shouldn't have a "decent life". It's a job for high schoolers and such. If you don't breed before you are in a set job, and are living with someone else, it's a supplement to another wage-earner.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4828213 - 10/20/05 02:12 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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"Turn of your mind"? Great skills homeskillet, maybe it's time to lurk back to the potty room while us adults talk about grown up things. Off has two "F"s, by the way.




tee hee hee! fucking the flies of shit are we? youre a joke and you know it.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Doom]
    #4828221 - 10/20/05 02:14 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

If all you are going to do is troll and flame, it would be best to stay out of the threads. Only thing that will come of it is a ban.
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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: daimyo]
    #4828248 - 10/20/05 02:25 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

oh dear me, Ill get banned? I wont be able to hold discourse with such terminal douchebags as yourself and Captian Arian Invader?

thats really crushing, as I was hoping you two would divulge your post-race-war-utopian sexual fantasies to me later on.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4828453 - 10/20/05 04:45 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Another angry white guy who blames his and his countries problems on people with a different skin colour. Guess what, Black people arn't responsible for your problems, find a new scapegoat. Or atleast confront some black people with your views, im sure they will discuss it with you. I guess its easier to bitch about blacks on a shroom political forum though.

In my life, its always been a white person that has screwed me over. I've never had a problem with Black people, probably because I don't treat them like they're non-human. Its people like you that make this world so dangerous.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: J4S0N]
    #4828457 - 10/20/05 04:48 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

When blacks bitch about "slavery" and "White oppression", I'm guessing you don't tell them this response, eh?


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4828477 - 10/20/05 05:14 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Why would you invade a small town? If you are so great in number, organized and industrious why not build your own?

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    #4828530 - 10/20/05 06:09 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4828844 - 10/20/05 09:24 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

And I never did get a reply to me question about how this separation would occur..

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Where and how would this 'separation' happen. Is it physical? How would you resolve property rights. Or is it social? Do we have some trumped up little fuck telling us who we can and can't talk to and which fucking side of the bus we can sit?




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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4829040 - 10/20/05 10:44 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

What I don't get is why white nationalists seem to think that historically white cultures were any more peaceful or pleasant than they are when blacks come in.

Do you think blacks invented crime?

Do you think Britain in, say, the 1700's was a place where everyone was rich and refined? Of course not, the poor people were another class, they were treated like shit, and they were considered to be inferior to the rich because of their bloodlines... and, of course, they were criminals and fools.

Then a whole bunch of the inferior white people moved to america and australia where they did perfectly well for themselves. Genetics really don't do a hell of a lot for criminal behaviour, but culture and upbringing definitely do.

If you're raised in a high crime, low income area, well golly, you're way more likely to become a criminal. You get rid of all blacks, and a bunch of poor whites will take their place.

There's no such thing as a country without crime, without lower classes, that's a complete fantasy, it's something that never existed, only in the minds of people who feel the need to blame the world's problems on a group they can distance themselves from, ie. another race.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: psilomonkey]
    #4829052 - 10/20/05 10:49 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Why would you invade a small town? If you are so great in number, organized and industrious why not build your own?




Either way, it's a complete fantasy, but they seem to get their jollies by degrading another group of people, so they fantasize about making blacks feel unwelcome and running them out of town on a rail.

Frankly, I think they'd be miserable without blacks. Racists like to talk about how their organizations are made up of rich, upperclass people who are fed up with the "lower" races, but in my experience, a hell of a lot of the racists are guilty of everything they accuse blacks of. Criminal behaviour, drug use, laziness, all that.

They've generally got nothing to be proud of, so they act as though their race is some kind of accomplishment. If they were surrounded by all-whites, what would they have left to brag about?


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4829055 - 10/20/05 10:50 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

How much personal experience of "nigras" have you actually had magic? Have the ones you've met been all that bad?

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: daimyo]
    #4829256 - 10/20/05 12:04 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Do you have an education in economics?

I'm not trying to bash on you, but raising minimum wage laws will do nothing but create unemployment. Store owners will hire less people and just make them do more.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4829261 - 10/20/05 12:05 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I have a feeling you would not be opposed to a world dominated by whites, correct?

If you give an affirmation to my question, it would be hypocritical to criticize Jews for wanting the same thing for their own race (though this is not the case, in reality).

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4829369 - 10/20/05 12:34 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

the whole scenario sounds implausible...I realize
it's just a hypothetical, but the fact of the matter
is that it would be illegal for you to forcibly
prevent people from moving into the town, so you would
have to do EVERYTHING on privately owned land and
through private endeavors on that land.

meaning, you can't have the police come and patrol
your private land for you, I guess fire and emergency
are another story...so maybe those get trucked in
as needed, but even then, how do you prevent a mexican
EMS worker or a black firefighter from saving your ass?

plus, you wouldn't have publically funded schools
on your private property, especially if you are racially
segregated and even if you did create your own education
system, what good would any of those unaccredited degrees
do for anyone? and you couldn't very well send your kids
to schools outside the compound because there would likely
be other children of varying races there too.

so you ask what I'd want the government to do...

I wouldn't want them to do anything so long as you were
staying within the confines of your own private land,
abiding by the law (on and) off the land and weren't trying
to draw from public coffers to suit your agenda.

ultimately, what I think would happen is that the lots
surrounding your white-only compound would be bought up
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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: afoaf]
    #4829389 - 10/20/05 12:38 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Also, if he had places of business that catered to outsiders, if there were any goods brought in by interstate commerce, he would have to allow blacks in.

This happened in a bar after the Civil Rights laws.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Redstorm]
    #4829415 - 10/20/05 12:42 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

so it would all have to be completely insular.

you cannot leave.

which basically results in a bunch of backwoods, cousin-fucking rednecks.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: afoaf]
    #4829830 - 10/20/05 02:00 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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so it would all have to be completely insular.

you cannot leave.

which basically results in a bunch of backwoods, cousin-fucking rednecks.



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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Redstorm]
    #4832693 - 10/21/05 12:22 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not trying to bash on you, but raising minimum wage laws will do nothing but create unemployment

It hasn't in the UK. They introduced the minimum wage and employment went up.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: daimyo]
    #4832745 - 10/21/05 12:40 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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If you can't work hard enough to earn that, you deserve to die of starvation.



Well the fact of the matter is that some people simply don't have the capacity to do much, but they should not be denied employment because of it. You can live off of $5 an hour if you work hard at it.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: daimyo]
    #4832750 - 10/21/05 12:42 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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People making $5.15 can't afford a decent life(not even close). There has to be some give.



It depends on what you consider decent. I don't base the worth of my life on material things. No one needs more than food and a roof over their heads. You can in fact be quite happy with very little. Who are you to tell someone what a decent life is?


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Alex213]
    #4832768 - 10/21/05 12:46 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm not trying to bash on you, but raising minimum wage laws will do nothing but create unemployment

It hasn't in the UK. They introduced the minimum wage and employment went up.



I am somewhat skeptical of that. Do you have any evidence to back that up. I would especially like to see what it looks like when compared to inflation.


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    #4832865 - 10/21/05 01:15 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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I am somewhat skeptical of that. Do you have any evidence to back that up. I would especially like to see what it looks like when compared to inflation.



Yes, inflation is essentially the crux of the situation. However, I have heard that the US minimum wage has failed to keep up with inflation, meaning that it has actually gotten lower in proportion to spending power.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Silversoul]
    #4832928 - 10/21/05 01:40 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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I am somewhat skeptical of that. Do you have any evidence to back that up. I would especially like to see what it looks like when compared to inflation.



Yes, inflation is essentially the crux of the situation. However, I have heard that the US minimum wage has failed to keep up with inflation, meaning that it has actually gotten lower in proportion to spending power.



Not exactly a shocker. Inflation allows gov't to push people into higher income brackets and "raise" minimum wage etc to gain political advantage. Inflation is taxation on everyone who has any money.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: psilomonkey]
    #4832935 - 10/21/05 01:44 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Where and how would this 'separation' happen. Is it physical? How would you resolve property rights. Or is it social? Do we have some trumped up little fuck telling us who we can and can't talk to and which fucking side of the bus we can sit?





I think that a white nation would simply be a place where white vaules were cherished, where intermixing of races was not tolerated and punishable by explusion. I just think that eventually the white flight is going to leave whites little place to flee too, and they'll have to fight back to exist.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Phluck]
    #4832939 - 10/21/05 01:45 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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What I don't get is why white nationalists seem to think that historically white cultures were any more peaceful or pleasant than they are when blacks come in.



Thats like asking why scientists "Think" that the surface of the sun is hot. It's not a thinking matter, it's a proven one. Life in the United States in the fifties was a place where you could leave your doors unlocked, even in New York. Look at it now.
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Do you think blacks invented crime?




You don't think that the fact that 12.5% of America commit SEVEN TIMES more violent crimes than the 75% majority indicates something?
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If you're raised in a high crime, low income area, well golly, you're way more likely to become a criminal. You get rid of all blacks, and a bunch of poor whites will take their place.




So do you think that impoverished white neighborhoods are as prone to violent crime as impoverished black neighborhoods?


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4833095 - 10/21/05 04:30 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

White values? What exactly are White values? How does the colour of your skin determine what value system you believe in?

It looks like you are just angry with Black people, just tell us all, what happened in your life to make you hate them so much? Or do you just sit inside and read statistics about crime, and make a decision from there? Why so much intimidation? What do you have to live in a nation far away from them? What are you so scared of? Does there skin colour make them scary looking? I just don't get what your problem is.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4833130 - 10/21/05 05:46 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

white values HAHAHAHAHAHAH you're too funny


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Redstorm]
    #4833472 - 10/21/05 10:36 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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raising minimum wage laws will do nothing but create unemployment.



I do not believe this is the case. Most of the studies I've read show no such correlation.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: daimyo]
    #4833476 - 10/21/05 10:38 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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raising minimum wage laws will do nothing but create unemployment.



I do not believe this is the case. Most of the studies I've read show no such correlation.



As I pointed out, it all depends on inflation. If minimum wage is raised at a higher rate than inflation, it will indeed create unemployment. However, since wages are fairly inelastic compared to consumer goods, it's fair to say that minimum wage usually lags behind inflation.


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the US minimum wage has failed to keep up with inflation, meaning that it has actually gotten lower in proportion to spending power.



$5.15 today is the equivalent of only $4.23 in 1995 ? lower than the $4.25 minimum wage level before the 1996-97 increase. Source


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Silversoul]
    #4833506 - 10/21/05 10:51 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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As I pointed out, it all depends on inflation. If minimum wage is raised at a higher rate than inflation, it will indeed create unemployment.



Any good studies that show where this cutoff point would be? Like what dollar amount(wages) would currenly outpace inflation.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4833511 - 10/21/05 10:52 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

you still seem to refuse the fact that whites make up something
like 70% of america's population and that other races have historically
been concentrated in urban centers.

your fear of racial overrun and cornered white folk just isn't
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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: daimyo]
    #4833514 - 10/21/05 10:54 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Any good studies that show where this cutoff point would be? Like what dollar amount(wages) would currenly outpace inflation.



Well, the Consumer Price Index is how inflation is measured, so I'm pretty sure with the right materials, it would be fairly easy to determine how much minimum wage would have to be now to be equivalent to where it was a few years ago.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Silversoul]
    #4833586 - 10/21/05 11:17 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

to be honest....NOT tying minimum wage to inflation indexes
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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Redstorm]
    #4835037 - 10/21/05 04:30 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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I have a feeling you would not be opposed to a world dominated by whites, correct?



It would depend on your definition of "dominated". Personally I think that "dominating" other races uses too much of our energy. I think that slavery, for example, is economically (and morally) corrupt. In addition to having a slave to feed, clothe and care for (a slave you paid for), you have to realize he doesn't want to be there so you have to hire an overseer. This guy ensures that the slaves do the BARE minimum and the slave knows it. It's just not profitable. Define "dominate" more precisely and I'll answer it.
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If you give an affirmation to my question, it would be hypocritical to criticize Jews for wanting the same thing for their own race (though this is not the case, in reality).



Of course I don't. I think that it is natural to want your people to do the best that they can. I don't criticize the jews for their actions, I criticize ignorant white people for not dragging themselves away from the TV long enough to see whats really happening out there.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Alex213]
    #4835042 - 10/21/05 04:31 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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How much personal experience of "nigras" have you actually had magic? Have the ones you've met been all that bad?




It's not that all blacks are "bad", its that blacks are more likely to be, well, lets just say to score lowly on tests and they are much more prone to violence.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4835747 - 10/21/05 07:13 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

"It's not that all blacks are "bad", its that blacks are more likely to be, well, lets just say to score lowly on tests and they are much more prone to violence."

You constantly spout anti-semitic garbage also. 3 of the smartest, least violent individuals I have ever meet have been Jewish. (My mentor, he sold 2 companies to Microsoft, and has worked for MIT, his mother who teaches calc, and the guy that programmed the graphic engine for Halo) What's you're problem with them besides hate?

Fuck Jewish people are white. So are French people, you also have said negative things about them. You're hatred runs so deep, that you hate white people also.

So what countries exactly are the 'good white people' from?

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Anisotropic]
    #4835777 - 10/21/05 07:24 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I find an interesting dichotomy among white nationalists/supremacists. On the one hand, the look down on black and brown people as inferior, but they hate the Jews for being superior.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Silversoul]
    #4835822 - 10/21/05 07:37 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

shit...kids grow up these days wanting to be black.

if they were smart...they'd want to grow up to be jewish.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Silversoul]
    #4835826 - 10/21/05 07:39 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

your scenario breaks down the moment there is any tension between the lower class whites and the upper class whites. (read the poor vs rich)

in that event, you would all be out of excuses, and probably start blaming it on different types of white, possibly screening everyone to the point they had to prove their lineage...

oh wait, hah that sounds pretty much what the movement is about (sounds familiar too..) I mean, where does it end? Once it is just you, and your original gene pool... recreating itself over and over until everyone has congenital birth-defects, then what is supposed to happen?

do you all form like a huge voltron and escape some sort of nuclear holocaust or meteor strike? Do you all form a huge group hug and survive the next ice age? To what extent does this go... where is the ceiling?


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4837340 - 10/22/05 09:08 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Paradigm has stated that he thinks that White Nationalists should form their own nation, elsewhere than America. He has also stated that they should start a commune to be by themselves. Here is my question;

Stormfront has about 61 thousand members. Lets assume that each and every one of them moved to a small town in the Pacific North West. Lets assume, just for some numbers to throw out, that the town had a population of about 15,000 residents. All of the 61K WN's that moved there would be so well coordinated that they'd have jobs set up, land purchased for farming, and enough money with them to make this mass exodus financially possible. Lets say that they used the power-of-the-majority to vote all white nationalist leaders in to power. They then hired all white nationalist law enforcement and city personnel. Again, lets assume that this land was working out, low crime rate, great school systems, etc, and more white people decided to move out there. Eventually the one white town became 10, then 50, then the whole state was filled with a few hundred thousand new White Nationalists. The majority vote always went for pro-Nationalistic causes. Non-whites felt that they were not welcome and decided to move out.

What would you want the US government to do? What if the movement kept growing? Would you hope that the government stopped this exodus and used their jackbooted thugs to end the "uprising"?




And you felt it necessary to start a new thread on some marijuana influenced question?

I think over time, more and more criminal genes will be weeded out of society by the prison system. I have recommended a more humane solution such as eugenics, but this has fallen on deaf ears. Skin color doesn't have a lot to do with behavior, but genetics does. Eventually, dark skinned people in the northern countries will probably evolve into lighter skinned people over time since they don't need as much protection from the sunlight. I think the reason you see more crime among the black and hispanic population is because of African and Native American genes which promote criminal behavior. This has proven to be a disadvantage in a modern society and as their genes are eliminated from the population this will contribute to their evolution into a more civilized race.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Los_Pepes]
    #4837344 - 10/22/05 09:11 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

You have no idea how evolution works, do you?

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Redstorm]
    #4837353 - 10/22/05 09:15 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

No he doesn't.

...but he sure can post some anti-Islam cartoons  :smirk:

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    #4838470 - 10/22/05 03:39 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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a more humane solution such as eugenics




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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Anisotropic]
    #4838591 - 10/22/05 04:13 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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You constantly spout anti-semitic garbage also. 3 of the smartest, least violent individuals I have ever meet have been Jewish. (My mentor, he sold 2 companies to Microsoft, and has worked for MIT, his mother who teaches calc, and the guy that programmed the graphic engine for Halo) What's you're problem with them besides hate?




SOME Jews seem to be in a very strong position to exert their will over the media. Most of the big stations that promote race mixing, promiscuity, violence, traditionally non-white actions are owned by Jews. I think that they have calculated this to destroy who they see as their biggest enemy, white people. After WWII, they were so paranoid about anti-Semitism that they really put the big push on to do this. Thats why society has gotten "blacker" since that time, and thats why our society is beginning to falter. It's also why anyone who espouses the beliefs that founded this country now are given the worst of brands "racist".
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Fuck Jewish people are white.




A people who originated in the Middle East are white? Very fascinating, do you also believe that JEsus parents from these areas were named "Joseph" and "Mary"? Look what the Jews have to say about race, the two types of jews (Mediteranean and European).
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So are French people, you also have said negative things about them.




I don't think that the French are genetically predisposed to cowardism the same way that blacks seem predisposed to violent crime. The problem with most of Europe is that they've lost control of the reigns and are being controlled by "Alien forces".
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You're hatred runs so deep, that you hate white people also.




Maybe you could post where I said I "hated blacks", or "hated Jews"? Of course, I haven't, but you've seen enough MTV and Disney shows to know how Racists are, so why even bother with such a silly thing as the facts. Eisner and Redstone have conditioned your mind at how to react towards racism and have fully indoctrinated you as to what "our" beliefs are. Some guy thinks that we'd be better off as a white nation and you automatically picture inbred rednecks out lynching niggers. Well, thats not the wat it is.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: afoaf]
    #4838592 - 10/22/05 04:14 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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your fear of racial overrun and cornered white folk just isn't
backed up by the raw census data.



Since when, the last census? Look at crime rates in the 30's and the percentages of blacks we had. Look at how America was when whites were a 90% majority and we didn't have Eisners and Redstones and Zuckermanns preaching to our youth about how we "should" be behaving.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Silversoul]
    #4838598 - 10/22/05 04:17 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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I find an interesting dichotomy among white nationalists/supremacists.  On the one hand, the look down on black and brown people as inferior, but they hate the Jews for being superior.




I don't think that the jews are "superior", per se.  I think that they've done a wonderful job at what they are good at.

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"Anti-Semitism is nothing but the antagonistic attitude produced in the non-Jew by the Jewish group.
The Jewish group has thrived on oppression and on the antagonism it has forever met in the world...
the root cause is their use of enemies they create in order to keep solidarity..." (Albert Einstein)





The Jews are particularlly good at that.  Without a group to play against another, they won't do well.  That is like saying that a tapeworm is superior to a human because it can bring about it's demise.  Hardly :wink:


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4838711 - 10/22/05 05:12 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Do you have any friends that are not of the white race?


sorry if this question has already been asked.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: art]
    #4838729 - 10/22/05 05:17 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

You do realize we all originate out of Africa right? Our mitochondrial DNA says we're all a bit on the brown side....

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: billy cuts]
    #4839633 - 10/22/05 10:23 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

more genetic difference between two fruit flies than two people said to be of different "races"


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #4839705 - 10/22/05 10:50 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

As a jew, I can tell you, we do indeed plan on destroying the white race. Our goal is to get everyone of the same color, and to force non-white ideals down the current white populations throat. Be prepared for the future, when classes forcing white people to love blacks will be instated in schools. It is too late to inform everyone, they think you are just insane...

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4840221 - 10/23/05 01:17 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

"A people who originated in the Middle East are white? Very fascinating, do you also believe that JEsus parents from these areas were named "Joseph" and "Mary"? Look what the Jews have to say about race, the two types of jews (Mediteranean and European)."

They look like it to me, but maybe that's only because I'm paying attention to the color paint they use in Disney movies...

We're all one race.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4840505 - 10/23/05 04:17 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Look at crime rates in the 30's and the percentages of blacks we had




http://www.straightdope.com/columns/020712.html

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You grew up in the 20s and 30s. This one's the most interesting of all. Comparing violent crime today with 70 to 80 years ago is problematic. Federal uniform crime reporting didn't begin until 1930 and was spotty at first. Reporting requirements and definitions have changed over the years. Many authorities believe that years ago violent crime was reported much less than it is today. The one crime statistic believed to be comparable over long periods of time is the homicide rate--people tend to report dead bodies.

A chart of the homicide rate during the 20th century is striking. (See the fourth page of this PDF. http://www.pbs.org/fmc/book/pdf/ch12.pdf) The rate was low at the turn of the century, then rose meteorically, peaking in the early 1930s. After that it fell, reaching a low in the 50s, then climbed again. By the early 70s it was the same as in the 30s--but no worse. After the early 90s it dropped again, and today it's about the same as in the mid-60s. The murder rate doesn't exactly mirror the overall violent-crime rate, of course. Still, in some ways the 20s and 30s were as dangerous as now. In contrast, the late 40s to early 60s were a golden era, safer than most decades before or since.





So where did you get your data on the 30s from?


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Phluck]
    #4841182 - 10/23/05 11:53 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

this ship's sunk.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: afoaf]
    #4842362 - 10/23/05 05:43 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

The Nazi's sunk this ship like 60 years ago...

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4842476 - 10/23/05 06:09 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Eisner and Redstone have conditioned your mind at how to react towards racism and have fully indoctrinated you as to what "our" beliefs are. Some guy thinks that we'd be better off as a white nation and you automatically picture inbred rednecks out lynching niggers. Well, thats not the wat it is.


Well, what is it then?
Stereotypes aren't created by a group of jews in a boardroom, they're created by the jokes people make, rumors, and to a certain extent, reality. I know you probably think that the white nationalist community is made up of affluent, highly educated and successful people, but even if there are a few here and there, it's still filled with uneducated idiots and criminals. This year, during the gay pride festival in my town, there were a bunch of protestors, and a large number of them were from a white nationalist group who held up a big banner advertising their website. A whole bunch of them were wearing Hell's Angels t-shirts, and had scars and stuff on their faces. These people did not look like well educated, successful people. They looked like thugs and criminals.

I knew a brother and sister who worked at a call centre I also worked at. Andrew and Melissa Guille. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melissa_Guille

They ran a white nationalist group. The brother was a convicted child porn distributor who was on his way to getting fired from a shitty tech support job, and was saying he could easily get his job back in the Walmart warehouse, and the sister was just working the shitty tech support job.

They were white trash if I ever saw it, and they were the brains of the thing.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Phluck]
    #4842963 - 10/23/05 07:47 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I used to post at stormfront, just to get into the minds of the people. It was really pretty interesting. There are defined leaders on that forum, who post seemingly true statements, that people eat up. They make claims, and have some semblance of backing, so no one questions it. I of course investigated these claims, and found they were always utterly ridiculous. I would post my findings, refuting their statements, except my posts would never appear, the moderators would censor them. One time someone claimed that several race mixing movies were all done by jews. So I printed a list of the cast, from producer to director to makeup. None of the writers, producers, or directors were jewish. My post of course didnt appear. Its really quite interesting to me, how incredibably gullible people are. Another obvious aspect of the forum, is the ego boost. They would talk about how great the white race was, Gauss did this, Leibnitz did this other thing, and then somehow claim that makes them smart. No, actually it makes Gauss and Leibnitz smart, it makes you people total morons who are merely looking for some ego masturbation.

The scientific arguments they would use were also particularly amusing, showing a picture of an ape, then showing a picture of some black guy whose nose happened to look somewhat like an apes. Then they would claim that therefore, black people are basically apes. People would eat it up. They would completely ignore socio-economic factors in favor of masturbation of their so called race. I really would recommend checking the forum out, Ill probably post actual experiences I had on the forum soon, as I find them fascinating.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4843122 - 10/23/05 08:23 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

What year is this ?????? 2005

You must think's it's 1954

Why not just move to the deep woods and live alone, then all your problems will be solved


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #4843313 - 10/23/05 09:02 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

thecow,
wow that is very interesting, I can't believe that your posts would get censored.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: art]
    #4843420 - 10/23/05 09:22 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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thecow,
wow that is very interesting, I can't believe that your posts would get censored.



Youd be surprised how rampant the censorship is there. And so for persuasive arguments, you have no one coming out, and saying, 'what the fuck man! what the fuck are you talking about! this makes no fucking sense for this and this reason.' So other people assume it to be true, it supports their beliefs, hey some more 'evidence' for them. Ive heard of other actual racist posters leaving that board, because they would point out that some arguments make no sense. Im not saying these people are rational, they are still racist for little reason, but even they were turned off by this censorship. Its a breeding ground for public support, thats the whole idea of it, so they arent overly radical, they dont really allow people using the word nigger, and they try and legitimize their views. They pander to all different groups of people, and make their cause seem logical. Theres a section called youth, where they literally brainwash kids, its aweful aweful stuff. One post I read a few years back, was a leader of a KKK chapter talking about the KKK for kids program. Trying to point out to the kids in simple language why their race is so great, and how they are part of an exclusive club, and joining the KKK is the honest and proud thing to do.

A lot of the propaganda is fairly transparent, they will point out basic statistics, oh black people get arrested more often, therefore, they are inferior and are prone to violence. They make everything out to be extremely simplified, and so they can get supporters by just giving them short answers. Whats wrong with America and its economy, black and mexicans. Oh alright that makes sense. Why is morality degrading in this contry, jews of course. Ah I knew it. Its like a child sitting on a fathers lap, as the father explains the world to the child. The leaders of the board are clearly defined, if you look around for a week or two, you will pick them out. And since most people here are decently intelligent it seems, I am sure you will have no problem instantly recognizing their tactics.

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    #4843813 - 10/23/05 10:57 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: dr_gonz]
    #4844009 - 10/23/05 11:36 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

That is terrible. I feel bad for those poor kids; they are going to live a life full of lies, and miss out on many great experiences. There are so many amazing people that they will never meet because of some racist asshole.
Do the leaders there know the truth, and just keep it hidden for another reason besides racism?

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    #4844062 - 10/23/05 11:46 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

What do you mean? Or I mean, know the truth about what. People are irrational, and as such, we have racists who feel that color alone is something to fret over, just basic bullshit ideology which develops, nothing really new or special. To promote their ideas, they try and pass it onto the youth. To do this, they use very basic tactics, involving being a part of something great, getting them to recognize how great there race is, and they can relate their basic frustrations as youth's to racism somehow. For example, Ive read many times, where some white highschooler was relating about basic frustrations with other kids at his school. There was a group of white people who picked on him maybe, and a black guy involved, or they just made fun of him, or whatever it is, theres a black person involved somehow. The responses obviously include how the black guy is the ring leader, the white people just want to be cool so they imitate him..and so forth. Then why does this happen? The Jews want white people to hate their own culture, so they make the white people cling to the blacks. And the kid, I can almost hear something click in his head through the internet, 'ah so thats why.' I stopped posting there because it was making me depressed and angry, and I was powerless to do anything because I could never get a point across.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4844737 - 10/24/05 05:25 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

"It's not that all blacks are "bad", its that blacks are more likely to be, well, lets just say to score lowly on tests and they are much more prone to violence."

You're more prone to violence argument doesn't hold water when you consider the Nazi's.  There was an extraordinarily violent group of ONLY white people.

But that's all just Jew lies right? :wink:  I must have watched too many Disney movies, and only read Ann Frank books right?  [By the way I haven't watched a Disney movie since I've been in like the 5th grade...  And I didn't find Ann Frank to be a good read.]

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4845107 - 10/24/05 10:21 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Just to satisfy a morbid curiosity; what does a white nationalist see when they eat mushrooms?


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: seeker]
    #4846365 - 10/24/05 03:56 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I hope it's wall to wall niggers fucking little red haired white chicks. Fervently


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: dr_gonz]
    #4847137 - 10/24/05 07:05 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I likje watching blacks on blondes. :laugh: :bananabang:


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4849285 - 10/25/05 05:45 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Why do you think it's so amusing to mention something that could very well be the death of a people? It's the same sort of self-hatred and loathing that I'm seeing in the liberal scumfucks in Atlas Shrugged. You know, deep down, that it's something bad, (or maybe you are just that dumb and dont), but you know that pushing it makes you feel good. Time to fire up the ovens, I suppose.


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    #4849526 - 10/25/05 08:58 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Why do you think it's so amusing to mention something that could very well be the death of a people?



Don't give me this "death of a people" bullshit. It's evolution. Diversifying the gene pool encourages a higher predominance of positive traits and the reduction of negative traits. It's only a death of a people in the eyes of those who are stupid enough to think that the color of your skin actually means something.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4849570 - 10/25/05 09:29 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Why do you think it's so amusing to mention something that could very well be the death of a people? It's the same sort of self-hatred and loathing that I'm seeing in the liberal scumfucks in Atlas Shrugged. You know, deep down, that it's something bad, (or maybe you are just that dumb and dont), but you know that pushing it makes you feel good. Time to fire up the ovens, I suppose.




Do you mean to say that you would deny that tasty little red head the joys of giant nigger cock just to satisfy some nebulous separatist notion of genetics that you harbor in your fetid brain? You care nothing for white women. Sexist pig.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4849610 - 10/25/05 09:49 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

"Just to satisfy a morbid curiosity; what does a white nationalist see when they eat mushrooms? "




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I hope it's wall to wall niggers fucking little red haired white chicks.  Fervently






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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4850036 - 10/25/05 12:13 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Actually, when people have sexual intercourse, life is created, not taken away. I'm sure you knew this, though.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Redstorm]
    #4850322 - 10/25/05 01:22 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

You're just all rhetoric.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4850830 - 10/25/05 03:26 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

"Time to fire up the ovens, I suppose."

Someone says something you don't like and it's time to kill people? [by burning them to death alive?]

This is why you're white nation will never work. WAY TOO MUCH HATE... Hasn't history taught you anything Nazi boy?

If you want white people to be free, part of that freedom is doing things that you might not agree with. This includes getting fucked by black people.

O yea btw, MM what's 9 inches and white?
Nothing!

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4851100 - 10/25/05 04:33 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

You think that white people are dying out?

Huh?

Look around you, man, white people are everywhere, and european culture has influenced everything. You can't erase that.

Culture changes though, it's way different than it was 50 years ago, and it was way different 50 years ago from 100 years ago.

It's going to keep changing too. Sorry, but culture has never been perfectly preserved and it never will be. It's always changing, and if it wasn't, it would become stagnant and boring.

There really isn't anything bad about mixing races. People who have mixed genes tended to be healthy and smart, and claiming otherwise is simply making shit up.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Phluck]
    #4851250 - 10/25/05 05:11 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

And there fucking cute also. I've meet SOOOO many cute mixed black/white/asian girls. Actually most of the people I've meet from Brazil have been fucking gorgeous, and I believe that is BECAUSE of the mixing of races.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Anisotropic]
    #4851267 - 10/25/05 05:17 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Or becuase black society and jewish television have lead you to believe that is what is beautiful  :flowers:


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: daimyo]
    #4851295 - 10/25/05 05:31 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I know, actually I think it's too many Disney movies..

Dam Disney movies, poisoning out youth... ::Rolls Eyes::

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: daimyo]
    #4851917 - 10/25/05 08:32 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Or becuase black society and jewish television have lead you to believe that is what is beautiful  :flowers:




Nah, Only mindless racist robots need others to tell them what to believe. I believe whatever I want to.

By the way, I think that Israel is a nation of terrorists just like the Palestinians, but that doesn't mean that I'll ever be stupid enough to think that there is some super world Jewish agenda that moves all things. All people do bad things. That doesn't mean that they are conspiring to take over the world.

If you ask me all religion is false and should be abandoned, including race worship.

You ideas are laughable!


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Ekstaza]
    #4852697 - 10/25/05 10:38 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Nah, Only mindless racist robots need others to tell them what to believe.



Source?

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Ekstaza said:
I believe whatever I want to.



Nobody is denying your elitist independence.

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Ekstaza said:
By the way, I think that Israel is a nation of terrorists just like the Palestinians, but that doesn't mean that I'll ever be stupid enough to think that there is some super world Jewish agenda that moves all things.



Does calling those with differing opinions stupid make you feel righteous?

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All people do bad things. That doesn't mean that they are conspiring to take over the world.



Doesn't mean they aren't either.  Right?

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You ideas are laughable!



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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: daimyo]
    #4853547 - 10/26/05 02:20 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I actually think calling certain peoples opinions stupid, to be quite valid in certain situations. Such as, if one bases any argument off of some religious or spiritual faith, their viewpoint is stupid to me. If anyone bases something off of baseless ideology, their argument is again stupid to me. And frankly, it does make me feel righteous.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Anisotropic]
    #4853706 - 10/26/05 05:47 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

How do you tell if a black man is well hung?





you can only fit one finger between his neck and the rope.




KKK Pt 2 is coming soon America :smile:


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4853747 - 10/26/05 06:43 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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How do you tell if a black man is well hung?





you can only fit one finger between his neck and the rope.




KKK Pt 2 is coming soon America :smile:




ahhh so this is all about whiteys jealousness of the bigger dicks darky has.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4853804 - 10/26/05 07:44 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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How do you tell if a black man is well hung?
you can only fit one finger between his neck and the rope.
KKK Pt 2 is coming soon America




Now that's just penis envy MM :wink:
The pale ghost of white supremacist manhood is showing it's ugly little head at last.
You seem obsessed by the black man's cock and I advise you to let go of it before it gets the better of you.

As for overrepresentation of cultures:
OK, about 10% of people are lesbian, bisexual and gay. Let's make 1/10 of all relationships and erotic innuendo in the media lesbian, bisexual and gay.

MM, you're confusing being white with being racist.
If you have a town packed with white racists the vast majority of people who'd want to live there would be white racists.

If white racists would want to live together in a small town I'd say pick a location that's typical (not above or below average) for America and build that town from scratch with your own bare white hands. No asian construction workers or black architects or hispanic bankers: make it truly all-white. This ofcourse would have to be on private property and legally will count as a group of people living on private property.

Considering the fact that you have white supremacist people in this world it would be great and truly a godsent if they all voluntarily moved into one place with a fence around and chose to live their lives there of their own free will.
But it's just not happening, I guess for the same reason you can't bunk a band of neonazi "friends" in one house and have the rent paid and the place not turning into an open sewer mudfight.

Let me tell you a story.
In a big German city not far from here you have a white racist leader  with a happening babe at his side. His right hand fancied her too, so one day he drove his car into his own leader, pinning him between his front bumper and a brick wall.
That white racist leader is in a wheelchair right now, and he is now disguised and living among leftwing punkers.
Why? Because his former followers beat the liquid shit out of him whenever they see him, because he is a cripple and cripples are dragging the white man down.
His homicidal friend got the girl because she was rather impressed with this manly duel between flesh and bone and four-wheel drive.
The handicapped ex-leader of the gang still is a blazing racist now living undercover among his former enemies, but he has given up all hope of the whites forming an unified front and standing proud. He now just hates non-whites, but his belief in white supremacy and "white values" got crushed together with his pelvis and spine.
The leftwing punkers, his former sworn enemies, never laid a finger on him. They pity him and see his fate as living proof of how nazism, fascism and white supremacism will destroy nothing but themselves.

Don't confuse the "racism" of the general white USA population of the early 20th century with the racism of the white supremacists etc. that live today. These white supremacists are comparable to the racists that were in power in Germany and Italy in the 1930s and early 1940s.
The average American went over there and laid down their lives to rid Europe and the World of that kind of racist regime, for which we Europeans are and should be grateful, as are we for the Marshall Plan which helped us get on our feet again.

What would happen if the average American discovered the truth about race?
They would probably snuff the white supremacist movement out like they did the racist regimes of nazi Germany, fascist Italy and totalitarian Japan, or Saddam Hussein's regime for that matter, who's race policy on Kurdish people was one of the prime reasons to spark the Gulf Wars.
That's not white America but the *average* American, in the past days the whites claimed all the power, in these days when the whites share the power and will be in the days when the whites have justly handed over the power to a multicultural majority.

Because it won't go from a "white nation" to a "black nation".
America never was a "white nation" to begin with. It has always been a nation of minorities. THAT is America's strength, and the only solution for them to remain the superpower is to accept the multiculturalist basis of their country before the Timothy McVeighs and other racist waco's will rip the nation apart, tearing it off its multicultural roots and plunging it into the moral and economical abyss of a nation fighting widespread domestic terrorism.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: daimyo]
    #4855705 - 10/26/05 05:25 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Ekstaza said:
Nah, Only mindless racist robots need others to tell them what to believe.



Source?

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Ekstaza said:
I believe whatever I want to.



Nobody is denying your elitist independence.

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Ekstaza said:
By the way, I think that Israel is a nation of terrorists just like the Palestinians, but that doesn't mean that I'll ever be stupid enough to think that there is some super world Jewish agenda that moves all things.



Does calling those with differing opinions stupid make you feel righteous?

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Ekstaza said:
All people do bad things. That doesn't mean that they are conspiring to take over the world.



Doesn't mean they aren't either.  Right?

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Ekstaza said:
You ideas are laughable!



:ban:



Please have a Moderator explain to me what parts of my post are bannable.
I'm fairly certain that I am well within the limits of the proper conduct of this forum.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4855968 - 10/26/05 06:18 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

A nation built on hate will never succeeded.  Because no one will ever want to take responsibility for there own actions.  It's much easier to blame the French whites, or the Gay ones, or the ones with Green eyes, or just the ones that don't agree with you.

That's whats wrong with the values of a place like stormfront there is  no personal responsibility.  Some of the problems in society are caused by whites.  [actually a lot of them because whites have a strangle hold on power in the USA]  Those problems just don't disappear because Nazi fucks aren't willing to accept them, there still there. 

Fuck I don't even know what you people are complaining about...  If you want a country controlled by whites, FUCKING HERE IT IS...  O yea that's right, I forgot, Nazi hate extends to everyone that does not agree with them 100% completely.

Oh, so you been checking if black guys are well hung hu?  That explains a lot actually...  :shocked:

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Ekstaza]
    #4856015 - 10/26/05 06:29 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Ha, I forgot I wrote that. I was just being an ass that day. A thousand apologies.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Anisotropic]
    #4856380 - 10/26/05 07:51 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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A nation built on hate will never succeeded.  Because no one will ever want to take responsibility for there own actions.  It's much easier to blame the French whites, or the Gay ones, or the ones with Green eyes, or just the ones that don't agree with you.




Tell me about it! I heard that some white guys left England a while back and came to some nation they called America.  Now, these guys were slaveowners, the man who America's democratic system is named after (Some Jefferson guy?) once said that it was clear that blacks and whites couldn't live to gether.  I haven't heard much about America since then, but I'm sure it's a raging shitpit of hate and ignorance.  I'm sure that the system of government that they invented was a horrible failure.  I'm sure that their country was doing nothing but evil.  Certainly it doesn't compare to such racially harmonized nations as South Africa.  Where rapes are a common occurance and whites are butchered left and right. Geez, when will whites learn?!
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That's whats wrong with the values of a place like stormfront there is  no personal responsibility.  Some of the problems in society are caused by whites.  [actually a lot of them because whites have a strangle hold on power in the USA]




Whites like whom?  I'd say it's obvious that the media isn't controlled by "whites". Most of the problems in todays society aren't caused by whites.  Look at the amount of violent crime we have and what percentage of it is caused by non-Whites.  Now imagine all non-whites vanishing instantly, see how that would effect our crime rates. America would be a much better place to live.
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Those problems just don't disappear because Nazi fucks aren't willing to accept them, there still there. 




I don't know what you mean by this?
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Fuck I don't even know what you people are complaining about...  If you want a country controlled by whites, FUCKING HERE IT IS... 




I'd like it to be WHITES that own the media, not Redstones broadcasting non-stop mysgenation on MTV.  Next time you watch MTV, count how many blacks their are.  IS it more than their 12.x% of the population? WHy's that? Count how many interracial couples their are? Is it more than their small percantage of the population?  Whats being forced on our kids eyes when they watch that crap?  I'd like WHITES to run our government so that we didn't have to have a fictional white guilt placed on us and have our paychecks stolen from us to pay for ignorant blacks and illegal mexicans.  I'd like a country where the president wasn't clapping his chubby little hands over the fact that whites won't be a majority in this country anymore.  THAT is what I'd call a white country.
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O yea that's right, I forgot, Nazi hate extends to everyone that does not agree with them 100% completely.




"hate"? Look at how many 1 ratings I've been given.  Did I ever say I want to lynch niggers? Did I say (seriously) that I wanted to gas Jews? Nope, I never said that.  The hate that you are seeing here isn't a hatred I have for non-whites, it's the hatred of racially conscious people instilled upon YOU by the one-eyed-jew in your living room.  How many people on here have brought up posts that suggest pedophilia shouldn't be a crime? Were they treated as outcasts? Given 1 ratings by the entire collective? Hardly.  But if someone brings up the fact that blacks, no matter where they live, make up a large percentage of the violent crime, of the welfare roles, of the AIDS patients, welll, that person is below contempt.  The jews that run the media have taught you well, eh?
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Oh, so you been checking if black guys are well hung hu?  That explains a lot actually...  :shocked:



The day will come :smile:


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4856553 - 10/26/05 08:21 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

A few points.

1. You did say you would like to lynch Kanye West.
2. People who support pedophiles are harassed unmercilessly here.
3. The Jews that are rich and educated, for the most part, are white.
4. No one is being forced to watch anything on tv. If parents were better, they wouldn't have to use the television as a babysitter, and let them be raised off the tit of popular culture.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4856665 - 10/26/05 08:38 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

MagicalMysery, I'm seeing your avatar, some of your signature and this thread and now I'm wondering:

Do you consider yourself a nazi, neonazi, white supremacist, racist, white nationalist, national socialist or something along those lines?

Are you affiliated with any such organisations, apart from stormfront?

What should be done to prevent the white americans from becoming a minority like other groups?

Since you chose a white pride banner as your avatar I take it you are proud enough to say what you think and stand firmly behind your ideologies rather than cloak your words to avoid speaking where your heart lies.

I must admit i liked your beatles avatar better though.
I find your avatar offensive and the symbol is in fact illegal in some countries in Europe as is the swastika. Would you consider putting up another image?


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4858289 - 10/27/05 05:45 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

" Anisotropic said:
A nation built on hate will never succeeded. Because no one will ever want to take responsibility for there own actions. It's much easier to blame the French whites, or the Gay ones, or the ones with Green eyes, or just the ones that don't agree with you.



Tell me about it! I heard that some white guys left England a while back and came to some nation they called America. Now, these guys were slaveowners, the man who America's democratic system is named after (Some Jefferson guy?) once said that it was clear that blacks and whites couldn't live to gether. I haven't heard much about America since then, but I'm sure it's a raging shitpit of hate and ignorance. I'm sure that the system of government that they invented was a horrible failure. I'm sure that their country was doing nothing but evil. Certainly it doesn't compare to such racially harmonized nations as South Africa. Where rapes are a common occurance and whites are butchered left and right. Geez, when will whites learn?!"


Cute how you completely danced around my point. I am talking about YOU'RE hypothetical white nation. Most of the white people that made America had HORRIBLE value systems, true. But at least there intentions as a society weren't so deplorable.

For instance, when you and you're racist friends from stormfront decide on what city they want to 'colonize', what happens when certain minorities don't leave just because you said so?

Say for instance an old black man has his fathers old house and land. His family has been living on it for 3 generations, and he's not going to leave just because people that hate him, because of the color of his skin, said to.

Do you really expect me to believe that this confrontation will end with the old black man okay, with all his rights preserved? Are you really just going to respect the fact that he can tell you to shove it, and he doesn't want to move?

((Because he can, you being a racist is something you have to deal with, not something other people have to run around accommodating for))

[I remind you, you have talked about killing minorities as one of you're goals here.]

You see, I don't really have a fond spot for America either. But at least there intention was not to re-build Nazi Germany.

[Which I might add was defeated largely by Jewish technology, and when they hosted the Olympics got totally taken by African-Americans. If that's not god winking at'cha I don't know what is.]

Those [the ones you have listed here] are the worst intentions for a society I have ever heard of. A society built on those intentions will fail.

It's like building a house on a foundation of hot air, you're stormfront nation built on backwards rhetoric will surely fall.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Asante]
    #4858347 - 10/27/05 07:00 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Why is MM allowed to have an avatar like that? It's completely inflammatory


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Asante]
    #4858373 - 10/27/05 07:27 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Do you consider yourself a nazi, neonazi, white supremacist, racist, white nationalist, national socialist or something along those lines?




White Nationalist, and I suppose I meet the modern day definition of "Racist"
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Are you affiliated with any such organisations, apart from stormfront?




The celtic cross isn't a stormfront logo, it's just a design. I support the national alliance financially, but I don't actually belong to any group, no
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What should be done to prevent the white americans from becoming a minority like other groups?




We should have our own living space. Blacks would be returned to Africa to do as they pleased. To be fair, we'd have the white Afrikanners move to Europe or another "white nation" of their choice.
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I must admit i liked your beatles avatar better though.
I find your avatar offensive and the symbol is in fact illegal in some countries in Europe as is the swastika. Would you consider putting up another image?



No. European countries that ban images need to be wiped clean with nuclear weapons. If I'm ever in a position to do so, I'll gladly press the button.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Anisotropic]
    #4858381 - 10/27/05 07:33 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Cute how you completely danced around my point.  I am talking about YOU'RE hypothetical white nation.  Most of the white people that made America had HORRIBLE value systems, true.  But at least there intentions as a society weren't so deplorable.




You think that their intentions are better than mine? I've spoken out against slavery, they held slaves.  What about their intentions makes them so pure and pristine?
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For instance, when you and you're racist friends from stormfront decide on what city they want to 'colonize', what happens when certain minorities don't leave just because you said so? 




They'll leave.  Wouldn't you?  As whites flee when negros move to down, so will negros move when white nationalist move to town.
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Say for instance an old black man has his fathers old house and land.  His family has been living on it for 3 generations, and he's not going to leave just because people that hate him, because of the color of his skin, said to.




I don't see a need to force people out.  Hes more than welcome to stay, as long as he doesn't encourage mysgenation
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Do you really expect me to believe that this confrontation will end with the old black man okay, with all his rights preserved?  Are you really just going to respect the fact that he can tell you to shove it, and he doesn't want to move? 




I think that, once the tide starts to turn, they'll leave voluntarily.  You must remember that their are lots of black nationalists/separtists as well.
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[I remind you, you have talked about killing minorities as one of you're goals here.]




Oh? Link?
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You see, I don't really have a fond spot for America either.  But at least there intention was not to re-build Nazi Germany. 




You think that the founding fathers, circa 1776, were stating to themselves "Prithee tell me Master Franklin sir, what shall we do to avoid becoming a Nazi Germany of 150 years in the future?"  I'm totally lost here.  I don't want to rebuild nazi germany either. I hate socialism.
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[Which I might add was defeated largely by Jewish technology, and when they hosted the Olympics got totally taken by African-Americans.  If that's not god winking at'cha I don't know what is.] 




Blacks are better at athletics than whites? ya don't say! It's time to re-re-re-read my posts and see that I've said that about 15K times.  Funny how you can say that blacks are better at some things than whites, but you could NEVER say it the other way around.

Also, some of the african "americans" who won at those olympics weren't from America, so you'll have to be taught a new friend-word to use for them :smile:
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Those [the ones you have listed here] are the worst intentions for a society I have ever heard of.  A society built on those intentions will fail.




America seemed to do quite well, up until the Jews and nogs took control and started making whites feel bad for what they've done.  Nazi Germany actually did quite well too
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It's like building a house on a foundation of hot air, you're stormfront nation built on backwards rhetoric will surely fall.



You are stormfront nation? "Your".  And all-white nations are what built modern civilization.  We didn't even know that negros existed four hundred years ago, and I thin kwe were doing damn good until then.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Unagipie]
    #4858384 - 10/27/05 07:34 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Why is MM allowed to have an avatar like that? It's completely inflammatory




Tough shit :smile:  I'm proud that I'm white, if you aren't, well.... we'll have a special place for you in our new white society :smile:


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Redstorm]
    #4858392 - 10/27/05 07:37 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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1. You did say you would like to lynch Kanye West.




I think that I'd like to lynch most rappers, including M&M, does that make me a black racist since I hate a white rapper?
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2. People who support pedophiles are harassed unmercilessly here.




Show me one with a 1.5 rating, who just was told that their avatar encouraging pride was "inflammatory".
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3. The Jews that are rich and educated, for the most part, are white.




The thing is, JEWS don't see themselves as that. They are, first and foremost, Jews. They support the Jewish homeland.
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4. No one is being forced to watch anything on tv. If parents were better, they wouldn't have to use the television as a babysitter, and let them be raised off the tit of popular culture.



If the queen had balls, she'd be the king.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Anisotropic]
    #4858396 - 10/27/05 07:40 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I think I've done my best to answer each question that you have, but I notice you haven't afforded me the same courtesy. Please respond to each of these thoughts and answer any questions posed

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Whites like whom? I'd say it's obvious that the media isn't controlled by "whites". Most of the problems in todays society aren't caused by whites. Look at the amount of violent crime we have and what percentage of it is caused by non-Whites. Now imagine all non-whites vanishing instantly, see how that would effect our crime rates. America would be a much better place to live.





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I'd like it to be WHITES that own the media, not Redstones broadcasting non-stop mysgenation on MTV. Next time you watch MTV, count how many blacks their are. IS it more than their 12.x% of the population? WHy's that? Count how many interracial couples their are? Is it more than their small percantage of the population? Whats being forced on our kids eyes when they watch that crap? I'd like WHITES to run our government so that we didn't have to have a fictional white guilt placed on us and have our paychecks stolen from us to pay for ignorant blacks and illegal mexicans. I'd like a country where the president wasn't clapping his chubby little hands over the fact that whites won't be a majority in this country anymore. THAT is what I'd call a white country.




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"hate"? Look at how many 1 ratings I've been given. Did I ever say I want to lynch niggers? Did I say (seriously) that I wanted to gas Jews? Nope, I never said that. The hate that you are seeing here isn't a hatred I have for non-whites, it's the hatred of racially conscious people instilled upon YOU by the one-eyed-jew in your living room. How many people on here have brought up posts that suggest pedophilia shouldn't be a crime? Were they treated as outcasts? Given 1 ratings by the entire collective? Hardly. But if someone brings up the fact that blacks, no matter where they live, make up a large percentage of the violent crime, of the welfare roles, of the AIDS patients, welll, that person is below contempt. The jews that run the media have taught you well, eh?




Of course, if you can't answer them, thats fine too. Silence speaks loudly.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4858401 - 10/27/05 07:43 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Why is MM allowed to have an avatar like that? It's completely inflammatory




Tough shit :smile:  I'm proud that I'm white, if you aren't, well.... we'll have a special place for you in our new white society :smile:




What would that place be... a trailer park


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Asante]
    #4858405 - 10/27/05 07:50 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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If white racists would want to live together in a small town I'd say pick a location that's typical (not above or below average) for America and build that town from scratch with your own bare white hands. No asian construction workers or black architects or hispanic bankers: make it truly all-white. This ofcourse would have to be on private property and legally will count as a group of people living on private property.




Isn't that what we did when we founded America?  Whites came here, saw the savages, took charge, built a thriving nation with very little help from the Indians.  I don't know where all this bullshit about the Indians teaching US to live off of the land came from, we seemed to be quite sucessful at cropping in Europe.  I wonder who came up with that little bit of lies...
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Considering the fact that you have white supremacist people in this world it would be great and truly a godsent if they all voluntarily moved into one place with a fence around and chose to live their lives there of their own free will.
But it's just not happening, I guess for the same reason you can't bunk a band of neonazi "friends" in one house and have the rent paid and the place not turning into an open sewer mudfight.




The National Alliance property is beautiful, actually.  I'm not a neo-nazi either, not that a little thing like "facts" would stop you from your jew-given education
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The leftwing punkers, his former sworn enemies, never laid a finger on him. They pity him and see his fate as living proof of how nazism, fascism and white supremacism will destroy nothing but themselves.




Thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard.  One little anecdotal story is supposed to be representative of the group?  Come to stormfront and I'll introduce you to the groups of SHARPS and ARA'ers that saw the light and came to our side. European skinheads are a waste of time and space, in my opinion.  Did one of them ever beat your ass?
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Don't confuse the "racism" of the general white USA population of the early 20th century with the racism of the white supremacists etc. that live today.




Don't tell me what to think.  How many white SEPARATISTS have you talked with?  I knew Dr Pierce before he died and we talked for hours, via e-mail, phone and in person.  I think that he really felt the way that most of our, [ as in white americans] grandparents and greatgrandparents felt.
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These white supremacists are comparable to the racists that were in power in Germany and Italy in the 1930s and early 1940s.




hardly.  I don't need some european junkie to tell me how white nationalists in America live
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The average American went over there and laid down their lives to rid Europe and the World of that kind of racist regime, for which we Europeans are and should be grateful, as are we for the Marshall Plan which helped us get on our feet again.




All those hundreds of thousands of white men killing their brothers for what? So that the Jews could have something to make us feel guilty about? So that they could start their reeducation plan? So that they could finally have their own nation? THey realize the importance of having a nation run by jews in the best interest of jews and fuck everyone else.  Odd that they'd be so PRO multiculturalism over here and so against it over there...
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What would happen if the average American discovered the truth about race?




The blacks and Mexicans would be running so fast for a "friendly" country it would make your head spin.
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They would probably snuff the white supremacist movement out like they did the racist regimes of nazi Germany, fascist Italy and totalitarian Japan, or Saddam Hussein's regime for that matter, who's race policy on Kurdish people was one of the prime reasons to spark the Gulf Wars.




Yea, sure it was.  Flisher and Tenet and Cohen all were upset about the KURDS, not protecting their little Jewland, right?  Wolfowitz, nah, he just wanted to help arabs, just like all jews do :wink:
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That's not white America but the *average* American, in the past days the whites claimed all the power, in these days when the whites share the power and will be in the days when the whites have justly handed over the power to a multicultural majority.




Whites are still a majority, 75% of the US.  So you are saying that we should KEEP power?  Sounds good to me.  Juden Raus and we'll be OK
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America never was a "white nation" to begin with. It has always been a nation of minorities. THAT is America's strength, and the only solution for them to remain the superpower is to accept the multiculturalist basis of their country before the Timothy McVeighs and other racist waco's will rip the nation apart, tearing it off its multicultural roots and plunging it into the moral and economical abyss of a nation fighting widespread domestic terrorism.




McVeigh wasn't a racist, his moron assistant Nichols was married to a Hawaiian woman.  America was so strong because we had multiculturalism?  Hardly.  Now that we've got more and more blacks in this nation, we've got more and more crime.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4858419 - 10/27/05 08:00 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I'm curious, do you believe that black people should have their own washrooms, ride the back of buses in their own sections, etc?


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Unagipie]
    #4858456 - 10/27/05 08:20 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Not at all.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4858465 - 10/27/05 08:24 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

So, what exactly was that all about then, when blacks were segregated from whites in every aspect of social life?


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4858516 - 10/27/05 08:58 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

"Oh, so you been checking if black guys are well hung hu? That explains a lot actually...


The day will come "

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: nunciate]
    #4858548 - 10/27/05 09:11 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Well, I hope you don't find it threatening if those who are White decide to join our community.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: J4S0N]
    #4858557 - 10/27/05 09:17 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I think you've got it wrong.

It really doesn't matter who's at fault for the problems Whites face as much as it is important that we correct them.

This isn't about playing the blame game - it's about securing our future and well-being.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Galahad]
    #4858558 - 10/27/05 09:18 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

hey galahad, nice to see ya here :smile:


I totally agree, I don't care who's fault it is, I don't care what people think, if whites don't do something, we simply won't exist.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: nunciate]
    #4858563 - 10/27/05 09:21 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

That 1/8 Sioux might not be what you think it is.

A lot of Americans are very mistaken about having New World Indian heritage.

Even at that, tell me... Where else do you belong?

When laws are made that effect Whites, for better or worse, they effect you just as much as they effect me.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4858573 - 10/27/05 09:23 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

And the few of us who are left won't be treated very well.  :frown:

Every people has the right to ensure their own well-being - including us!  :smile:

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4858579 - 10/27/05 09:26 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

What's so offensive about a Celtic cross?  :frown:

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4858591 - 10/27/05 09:30 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

That's not a very nice thing to say.

You essentailly told him to shut up and go away.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Galahad]
    #4858596 - 10/27/05 09:33 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Anything that represents white pride is a horrific symbol and should be destroyed so that we can make room for whats really important, the Cult of Multiculturalism! Who cares if our best minds are bred out of existance, we can still dance to rap music between commiting violent crimes.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4858599 - 10/27/05 09:35 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I tend to see dragons.

The next day there are reports of a few smashed windmills in the news.  :wink:

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4858619 - 10/27/05 09:44 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Why should the blacks leave if they don't want to? The whites brought them here, so it's there fault they're here in the first place.

Also, how do you think it is legal or even possible to make white Afrikaaners leave their homes in Africa? Unless their gov't denatauralizes them, it's not even an option.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Redstorm]
    #4858625 - 10/27/05 09:46 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I think that people, once free of the Jewish media, would realize that they prefer being among their own kind and that it's a natural feeling. Certain concessions would have to be made, but in the long run I don't think that whites would feel bad living away from blacks. The Afrikaaners should be scared to death of south africa by now.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4858636 - 10/27/05 09:49 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I believe you are putting way too much thought into the Jewish media thing. Most people don't give a shit about other races in the US, for the most part because they rarely have tp deal with them if they don't want to.

Humor me; why does the "Jewish media" care about blacks and whites getting along anyways?

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4858646 - 10/27/05 09:53 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I enjoy the company of black guys so you're not gonna sell me this white pride stuff

I do have French pride, though. I take pride in being a purebred Frenchman


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Unagipie]
    #4858658 - 10/27/05 09:59 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

What is white culture anyway? I've just got back from backpacking around me native Europe (I'm Irish) and I didn't see any white culture. The french are french, the Germans are German and so on. Never meet anyone who described themselfs as white.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4858660 - 10/27/05 10:01 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

The Jews have been persecuted since the beginning of time. They see the white race, especially after the "Holocaust", as their enemy. The best way to destroy your enemy is to play them against someone, have their standards change from strength and invention to meekness and cowardism.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: TheAntiSatan]
    #4858662 - 10/27/05 10:01 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

good question


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Unagipie]
    #4858713 - 10/27/05 10:24 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

It's a good question for obfuscation. Are Zimbabwe'ans black? Kenyans? Narobians? The tribes we've sepearted ourselves into hav edifferent cultures, but they are still of the same race.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4858793 - 10/27/05 10:53 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I dunno, racial pride to me sort of reminds me of a J.R. Tolkien novel with Dwarves and Ogres always fighting, Dark Elves and High Elves fighting...they all took pride in their race.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Unagipie]
    #4858815 - 10/27/05 10:59 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

How do you pronounce your nickname *way off topic*?


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4858863 - 10/27/05 11:15 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Why is culture so important why. Does culture feed you, does culture keep you alive. Does culture give you shelter. It's just a fancy shmancy jibber jabber, and a unique style of architecture


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4861429 - 10/27/05 09:26 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Who cares if our best minds are bred out of existance, we can still dance to rap music between commiting violent crimes.



Honestly, who here can find any substance to any of this? It's all gibberish created to incite fear and hatred. Anyone who understands biology and the principals of learning and sharing ideas can figure out that this persons logic is completely and utterly flawed.

By mixing the races we increase the gene pool entering in beneficial aspects of both races ultimately creating something stronger than either of the two.

By living together in peaceful co-operation, we are able to share ideas that will eventually lead to new understanding and scientifically profound breakthroughs.

The only foundation to any of your claims lies in the assumption that one race of people is inferior to the other. All of your sidestepping and denial of that fact is proof that you know that what you are proposing is utterly abominable and unthinkable to reasonable people. Otherwise you would say what you mean clearly and definitively.

Give up. You will never persuade the fine people here at the Shroomery to see anything your way. We are a community of free thinking individuals who do not need to follow an ideology of fear and hate.

Perhaps one day you will have a mixed grandchild and will learn to love it. If you spent more time trying to learn about the people that you fear, then you would see that they are just like you and me.


Let me ask you something. Have you ever thought about the fact that the more people that you cram into a given space, the more cranky they will become and the more they will argue? Now think about the earth and it's urban centers. They offer a chance for the poor to try to make their way, but only a few make it. The rest are left to fight for crumbs amongst the growing population of others like them. Race isn't an issue here. People of all races will act the same. Population overload is the main cause of crime increases in the world. And yes, I know that poor people are breeding like crazy, but it's not because of there genetics, it's because of their situation. When you are given nothing to hope for, you begin to not give a shit.



Anyway, I know that if you answer this post you will come back with more nonsense so basically this post is for all of the people you are trying to corrupt. With any hope, they can see the truth.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Ekstaza]
    #4861630 - 10/27/05 10:03 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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By mixing the races we increase the gene pool entering in beneficial aspects of both races ultimately creating something stronger than either of the two.




Simply mixing two different things doesn't equate to a "better" mixture. Lets say that you wanted a dog bred to retrieve ducks from the water, would you use a poodle, bred for it's fluffy coat that provides bouancy, or a rottweiler? If you wanted a fast dog, would you pick a greyhound or a great dane? Now, lets say that you bred the greyhound with the poodle. Would you have a dog with the speed of the greyhound? The water-ability of a poodle? Of course not. You can't mix things and expect all of the positive traits to be expressed. You clearly don't have any idea how genetics work. Mixing everything into an amalgamated hodge-podge isn't going to leave everyone with the best genetics, thats retarded.
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By living together in peaceful co-operation, we are able to share ideas that will eventually lead to new understanding and scientifically profound breakthroughs.




It seems to me that Whites were doing that quiet well before we had blacks in our midst. Do tell me what "scientifically profound breakthroughs" blacks have discovered?
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The only foundation to any of your claims lies in the assumption that one race of people is inferior to the other. All of your sidestepping and denial of that fact is proof that you know that what you are proposing is utterly abominable and unthinkable to reasonable people. Otherwise you would say what you mean clearly and definitively.




It really isn't a matter of superiority or inferiority. Using my earlier example of dogs, I don't think that anyone could say that the poodle was a superior animal, or that the greyhound is an inferior animal. It just depends on what you want from the animal. I think that blacks lived in an environment where physical ability was more important than intellectual ability. As it's been stated in this thread already, when they have everything they needed for basic survival, why do they need to "create" other things? I'm simply saying that we are different and have different attributes. If you think that mixing blacks and whites will result in some sort of super-human, you are ignorant as to the basic logical facts of genetics and biology. Also, since negroid physical traits are mainly dominant, if we do this their simply won't BE A white race anymore. I want to be assured that my great grand children are going to have red hair, like I do, and like my father and grandfather do, rahter than being mulatto mutts.
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Perhaps one day you will have a mixed grandchild and will learn to love it. If you spent more time trying to learn about the people that you fear, then you would see that they are just like you and me.




How about we go down to Crenshaw street in LA and see how "like me" they are? you first.
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Let me ask you something. Have you ever thought about the fact that the more people that you cram into a given space, the more cranky they will become and the more they will argue? Now think about the earth and it's urban centers. They offer a chance for the poor to try to make their way, but only a few make it. The rest are left to fight for crumbs amongst the growing population of others like them. Race isn't an issue here. People of all races will act the same. Population overload is the main cause of crime increases in the world. And yes, I know that poor people are breeding like crazy, but it's not because of there genetics, it's because of their situation. When you are given nothing to hope for, you begin to not give a shit.



So do you think that impoverished whites commit as much crime as impoverished blacks?


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4861726 - 10/27/05 10:31 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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since negroid physical traits are mainly dominant




Do you have any sources for this?

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Redstorm]
    #4861729 - 10/27/05 10:32 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, two of them. My ocular oragans. Look at some white chick who's got a half negro baby. Notice the red hair? The blue eyes? the blonde hair? The green eyes?

Thats the proof.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4861750 - 10/27/05 10:35 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Yes, two of them. My ocular oragans. Look at some white chick who's got a half negro baby. Notice the red hair? The blue eyes? the blonde hair? The green eyes?

Thats the proof.



Clearly you haven't been to medical school, or you would know what utter bullshit that is. The child of a black person and a white person will usually have a skin color that is in-between that of the parents. Some genes, like skin pigment, are neither dominant nor recessive.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4861767 - 10/27/05 10:40 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

That has absolutely nothing to do with dominant and recessive genes. Tell me where you learned that the black's traits are dominant.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Redstorm]
    #4861772 - 10/27/05 10:42 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

What's interesting to note is that dominant genes usually tend to be the more advantageous ones. When they're not, then they often simply don't matter. Rarely does one ever find a dominant gene which degenerates one's chances of survival.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4861831 - 10/27/05 10:58 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Simply mixing two different things doesn't equate to a "better" mixture. Lets say that you wanted a dog bred to retrieve ducks from the water, would you use a poodle, bred for it's fluffy coat that provides bouancy, or a rottweiler? If you wanted a fast dog, would you pick a greyhound or a great dane? Now, lets say that you bred the greyhound with the poodle. Would you have a dog with the speed of the greyhound? The water-ability of a poodle? Of course not. You can't mix things and expect all of the positive traits to be expressed. You clearly don't have any idea how genetics work. Mixing everything into an amalgamated hodge-podge isn't going to leave everyone with the best genetics, thats retarded.



The breeding of dogs has nothing to do with the subject at hand. Granted, it is up to chance what traits will be gained or lost through sexual reproduction, but most positive traits are generally dominant, and negative traits recessive. By leaving the gene pool open to new blood, so to speak, we allow for a better chance of dominant positive traits being passed on as opposed to negative recessive traits being kept alive through breeding with our own kind.
Learn something about recessive and dominant traits and get back to me.

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It seems to me that Whites were doing that quiet well before we had blacks in our midst. Do tell me what "scientifically profound breakthroughs" blacks have discovered?



Here are some links to some information about some outstanding black men and women. They may not have all come up with any breakthrough science but their contribution to society is far greater than what any of your friends at stormfront will ever come close to.
http://feinstein.senate.gov/03Speeches/bh_2003.htm
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/DLHinson/afrotech.htm
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1365/is_2_36/ai_n15679310

This helps to explain why contributions of black Americans are not well known.
http://anacostia.si.edu/exhibits/past_exhibtions/Real_McCoy/mccoy.htm

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It really isn't a matter of superiority or inferiority. Using my earlier example of dogs, I don't think that anyone could say that the poodle was a superior animal, or that the greyhound is an inferior animal. It just depends on what you want from the animal. I think that blacks lived in an environment where physical ability was more important than intellectual ability. As it's been stated in this thread already, when they have everything they needed for basic survival, why do they need to "create" other things? I'm simply saying that we are different and have different attributes. If you think that mixing blacks and whites will result in some sort of super-human, you are ignorant as to the basic logical facts of genetics and biology. Also, since negroid physical traits are mainly dominant, if we do this their simply won't BE A white race anymore. I want to be assured that my great grand children are going to have red hair, like I do, and like my father and grandfather do, rather than being mulatto mutts.



Your posts clearly imply that any introduction of black genetics into a white bloodline is undesirable because it degrades the race. Anyone who has read you posts can see that is your main theme. Trying to claim to have value for other attributes that blacks may possess is simply your way to dance around your ignorant racist views.

Take a look at this father and son.

It sure doesn't look like the son lost all of his white traits to me.


By the way, whats so special about red hair that will save the world.

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How about we go down to Crenshaw street in LA and see how "like me" they are? you first.



People are people no matter where you go.

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So do you think that impoverished whites commit as much crime as impoverished blacks?



Absolutely. So do impoverished Latinos and Asians. If you would quit focusing on what blacks do and look around, you would notice that the world is a screwed up place altogether. Greed, malice, cruelty, etc., are all human traits, not belonging to one race of people, but all people. Lay claim to your legacy. You and I are each a part of it, also.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4861853 - 10/27/05 11:04 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

You clearly have no idea how genetics work, as shown by your naive comparison of humans to dogs. The huge variety of body types present in dogs is due to artificial selection on the part of humans over the course of many many generations. If you did grasp these basic priciple you would realize that populations not under artificial selection pressures greatly benefit from having a large number of interbreeding individuals. It improves the populations success rate in dealing with demographic and environmental stochasticity. Purebred dogs for example are plagued with numerous genetic defects, a direct result of having a small breeding population.

You also say that blacks lived in an evironment where physical ability was more important intellectual ability. Please eleborate on this, it sounds as if you have done a lot of research on the topic. What evolutionary pressures were acting in Europe as opposed to the rest of the world that would accout for this intellectual gap?

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Ekstaza]
    #4861857 - 10/27/05 11:06 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

An interesting example of how poverty is what causes violence is The Five Points. There have been Blacks, Italians, Jews, Irish, and Asian immigrants that have all gone through there. All have been responsible for violence, and crime.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Silversoul]
    #4862265 - 10/28/05 01:07 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Clearly you haven't been to medical school, or you would know what utter bullshit that is. The child of a black person and a white person will usually have a skin color that is in-between that of the parents. Some genes, like skin pigment, are neither dominant nor recessive.




Where did I mention skin pigment? I mentioned EYE COLOR, HAIR COLOR, I could have mentioned HAIR TEXTURE. An Irish girl with red hair, green eyes and freckly skin who mates with a negro won't have children that represent her genetic traits. Nor will their offspring produce children that represented the Irish girls. Don't put words into my mouth little cartman.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Ekstaza]
    #4862330 - 10/28/05 01:30 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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The breeding of dogs has nothing to do with the subject at hand.




It has everything to dowith it! Do you think that humans are some mythical creature, seperate from the animal kindgom? Do you think that we can't learn about ourselves through observing nature? What about horses? A friend breeds horses and they look for STRONG specimens to breed and they breed for purpose. Same with pigs, cows, every animal in existance! But you don't think that it applies to humans? Certainly you'd admit that your general theory, that being that mixing genes is ALWAYS good, isn't necessarily true, right?
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Granted, it is up to chance what traits will be gained or lost through sexual reproduction, but most positive traits are generally dominant, and negative traits recessive.




Source for that, please
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Learn something about recessive and dominant traits and get back to me.




Whjy don't you show me where it says that dominant traits are "Superior"? Here we go again, we've gone from blacks and whites being "equal", to their dominant genes being superior. Don't you see how assinine that is? Don't you see how totally inconsistent that is? Believing that mixing white and black races will lead to a race that has more black traits that are dominant and superior? Thats what you accuse me of! thats what you deny! That racial traits are genetic. Geez, read what you are saying man.
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Here are some links to some information about some outstanding black men and women. They may not have all come up with any breakthrough science but their contribution to society is far greater than what any of your friends at stormfront will ever come close to.




Henry Ford, Charles Lindbergh, two famous racists that contributed more than your little peanut butter makers can ever hope to. Thats such a moronic straw-man argument I can't believed I dignified it (for the 50th time) with a response
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This helps to explain why contributions of black Americans are not well known.




Blah Blah. If someone invents something, their name is known. Thomas Edison didn't have to hire a press secretary to let the world know what he invented, the invention was so useful that people knew who was making it. Same with Westinghouse, Ford, etc etc etc ad infintum
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Your posts clearly imply that any introduction of black genetics into a white bloodline is undesirable because it degrades the race. Anyone who has read you posts can see that is your main theme. Trying to claim to have value for other attributes that blacks may possess is simply your way to dance around your ignorant racist views.




Typical response. Instead of actually addressing my point you just state that I'm a racist. In todays jew-parasite-infested society, thats all you need. Why argue with someone to try to prove them wrong when you know accusing them of the highest treason ahd heresy, RACISM, will do all your arguing for you. You'll notice how few times I say "nigger" or "kike" or "spic", emotionally loaded words that are intented to play to someones feelings rather than intellect, then see how often people use words like that to me in lieu of arguing. "nazi" "racist" "fascist" "hater" "Fear" etc.
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By the way, whats so special about red hair that will save the world.




Whats so special about a set of racial traits that I don't want to see it go extinct? How do you feel about environmental issues? I like how the liberals will stop lumberjacks from having a job to protect an endangered bird, but they have to question why a group of people should be allowed to carry on their genetic material. I think that red haired irish girls ar ebeautiful. I want them to exist as long as humans do, rather than be replaced with Halfricans.

Whats so special about kinky, greasy black hair and dry ashy negroi "skin" thats going to save the world.
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People are people no matter where you go.




OK, lets go. I'll go to Fifth Avenue and you can go to Crenshaw street. We'll see how they react.

Any song requests for your funeral?
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Absolutely. So do impoverished Latinos and Asians. If you would quit focusing on what blacks do and look around, you would notice that the world is a screwed up place altogether. Greed, malice, cruelty, etc., are all human traits, not belonging to one race of people, but all people. Lay claim to your legacy. You and I are each a part of it, also.



I just want to clarify, you think that poor whites and poor blacks, of the same socioeconomic class, behave the same way? Just want to get your answer again before I deal with that statement.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: DeepDish]
    #4862340 - 10/28/05 01:37 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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You clearly have no idea how genetics work, as shown by your naive comparison of humans to dogs. 




Would you like I compare it to the breeding programs used for cows? Horses? Pigs? Chickens?  Almost any animal that humans keep, we've learned how to break down into categories similar to "race" and develop those "races" well.  You wouldn't mix a clydesdale with a quarter horse, you wouldn't have the best benefits of both.  Genetics are genetics.  Especially mammalian genetics. 
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The huge variety of body types present in dogs is due to artificial selection on the part of humans over the course of many many generations. 




So certain dogs did certain things and adapted best to it? Again, I think the same thing happens with humans.  Whites were in European nations building castles and preparing for winters and travelling while blacks were running after lions and whatever the fuck it was they did.
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If you did grasp these basic priciple you would realize that populations not under artificial selection pressures greatly benefit from having a large number of interbreeding individuals.




You aren't really proving anything, you are just parroting off whatever contradicts me.  Give me an EXAMPLE of this, a SOURCE, anything
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  Purebred dogs for example are plagued with numerous genetic defects, a direct result of having a small breeding population.




Thats actually a miscontrued half-myth.  SOME purebred dogs have these problems, mainly if the dogs come from "puppy farms".  Good dog (and horse, and beef, and chicken, and turtles, and any living thing on earth) breeders know how to stay within the "genetic window" and maintain good health.
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    You also say that blacks lived in an evironment where physical ability was more important intellectual ability.  Please eleborate on this, it sounds as if you have done a lot of research on the topic.  What evolutionary pressures were acting in Europe as opposed to the rest of the world that would accout for this intellectual gap?



Why would an African in Sub-Saharan africa have any need to learn to store meat? To farm and lay away food? To travel? To build implements to till the land in the cropping parts of the years? To build large castles?  They didn't.  They lived in a near-perfect environment for primative humans.  They had food available for the hunt or the gathering year round, they didn't have to build warm shelters to survive months of below freezing temperatures.  Their lives consisted of chasing after animals, being chased by large predators, gathering food frequently and things like that.


If you want to know how thats different than northern Europe, go to Germany for a winter :smile:


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4862506 - 10/28/05 04:02 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I think instead of trying to 'convince' the multi-cultural crowd here at the shroomery that blacks and Jews are worthless.... You should go about planing you're white nation. These things don't happen by themselves, I'm sure there is a lot of planning, and watching nascar involved. Get started, build business plans and try to find a location!


BTW, I think as long as you guys don't take anyone else's rights while creating you're nation, you should go ahead! As soon as you decide to do other wise, the government should get involved. Not because Nazi's are taking away minority rights, but because one MAN is taking away another MAN's rights...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_trash

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Anisotropic]
    #4862515 - 10/28/05 04:13 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Done and done :smile:

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White trash (extended: poor white trash; acronym: "WT") is an ethnic slur or racial epithet usually used to describe certain low income persons of European descent, especially those perceived as having crude manners, abnormally low moral standards, and lack of education. According to Oxford English Dictionary, "white trash" first came into common use in the 1830s as an American pejorative used by the slaves of "gentlemen" (rich white Southerners, often plantation aristocrats, see plantation aristocrat) against poor whites who worked in the field. The term involves both behavioral characteristics (such as mannerisms, lifestyle) and overt racial characteristics (whiteness). The term is widely used across America, especially in the South, Midwest, and Appalachia.




Surprise surprise! Whites were slaves too.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4862543 - 10/28/05 05:10 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I just think the whole white pride thing is rude at best. Imagine it on a personal level. Someone came up to you saying I'm better than you, your just a monkey compared to my greatness. You'd hit them.

"The Jews have been persecuted since the beginning of time. They see the white race, especially after the "Holocaust", as their enemy." (I don't know how to do quotes on this board) Now I'm confused I thought white power guys hated Jews and blacks but now your sympatising with them. If you can understand where their coming from surely you can't hate them for it.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Silversoul]
    #4862575 - 10/28/05 05:49 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Yes, two of them. My ocular oragans. Look at some white chick who's got a half negro baby. Notice the red hair? The blue eyes? the blonde hair? The green eyes?

Thats the proof.



Clearly you haven't been to medical school, or you would know what utter bullshit that is. The child of a black person and a white person will usually have a skin color that is in-between that of the parents. Some genes, like skin pigment, are neither dominant nor recessive.




But why doesn't the baby have blue eyes, or light hair, or straight hair? The black traits seem to be dominant. The hair is curly and black, the eyes are brown. The skin is simply a lighter complexion than non-mixed blacks.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: TheAntiSatan]
    #4862584 - 10/28/05 05:56 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

how do you breed a perfect race, if that race is not seen as perfect except from those who belong to it?

maybe I am naive, but it just seems vain.

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By living together in peaceful co-operation, we are able to share ideas that will eventually lead to new understanding and scientifically profound breakthroughs.




It seems to me that Whites were doing that quiet well before we had blacks in our midst.




heh, well i suggest you do your research.  before black slavery there still existed the tension between the haves and the have-nots.. ever heard of the French Revolution?  I am somewhat certain that there weren't any blacks involved (unless you consider french people black).

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Do tell me what "scientifically profound breakthroughs" blacks have discovered?




Physicist Warren E. Henry, with seven decades of work in the fields of magnetism and superconductivity, top-secret radar research during World War II at the MIT Radiation Laboratory (1943-46) and guidance systems design for missile detection in submarines at Lockheed Martin

or how about Dr. Meridith Groudine? his ideas in the field of electrogasdynamics (EGD) successfully converted natural gas to electricity. Applications include refrigeration, desalination of sea water, and reducing the pollutants in smoke. 40+ patents for various inventions. In 1964, served on the President?s Panel on Energy.

but of course, that could just be the jews lying in the history books..  :wink:


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4862774 - 10/28/05 08:45 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Go to a bookstore and pick up a book on evolution. Look in the index until you find a section on artificial selection and then read it. Humans are NOT the same as domesticated animals. It isn't an issue of certain dogs doing certain things best and adapting to it, rather it is an issue of humans actively selecting and breeding dogs with certain qualities. In order for your comparison to make sense you would have to show that humans have been actively bred for certain purposes.

You aren't really proving anything, you are just parroting off whatever contradicts me. Give me an EXAMPLE of this, a SOURCE, anything

For this entire thread you have been spouting misinformation and contradictory information. Here is a quote from wilkepedia,

"Species with a small population size are subject to a higher chance of extinction because they are more vulnerable to genetic drift, resulting in stochastic variation in their gene pool, their demography and their environment"

There are lots of papers written in support of the above statement, I would recommend starting with some of Jared Diamonds work on island extinction.


"Why would an African in Sub-Saharan africa have any need to learn to store meat? To farm and lay away food? To travel? To build implements to till the land in the cropping parts of the years? To build large castles? They didn't. They lived in a near-perfect environment for primative humans. They had food available for the hunt or the gathering year round, they didn't have to build warm shelters to survive months of below freezing temperatures. Their lives consisted of chasing after animals, being chased by large predators, gathering food frequently and things like that.


If you want to know how thats different than northern Europe, go to Germany for a winter


Where did agriculture first develop? The first written language? The first large scale architecture? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't in Northern Europe.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: DeepDish]
    #4863063 - 10/28/05 10:27 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Go to a bookstore and pick up a book on evolution. Look in the index until you find a section on artificial selection and then read it. Humans are NOT the same as domesticated animals. It isn't an issue of certain dogs doing certain things best and adapting to it, rather it is an issue of humans actively selecting and breeding dogs with certain qualities. In order for your comparison to make sense you would have to show that humans have been actively bred for certain purposes.




Irrelevant. The breeding issues are the same. Mixing two things with very different specializations doesnt' result in a homogenous mixture that exhibits the best qualities of both. Genetics don't know WHY they were configured the way that they are, they just are.
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"Species with a small population size are subject to a higher chance of extinction because they are more vulnerable to genetic drift, resulting in stochastic variation in their gene pool, their demography and their environment"




I really don't know exactly what they'd call a "small population size". Blacks make up 12.x% of the population of the USA, whites make up 75%, if being a small population lead to negative genetic evolution, it would seem it has occured to them?
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Where did agriculture first develop? The first written language? The first large scale architecture? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't in Northern Europe.



Egypt, I'd say? It wasn't Black Africa, right?


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4863236 - 10/28/05 11:38 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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By the way, whats so special about red hair that will save the world.




Whats so special about a set of racial traits that I don't want to see it go extinct? How do you feel about environmental issues? I like how the liberals will stop lumberjacks from having a job to protect an endangered bird, but they have to question why a group of people should be allowed to carry on their genetic material. I think that red haired irish girls ar ebeautiful. I want them to exist as long as humans do, rather than be replaced with Halfricans.

Whats so special about kinky, greasy black hair and dry ashy negroi "skin" thats going to save the world.




This is clearly untrue. There will always exist guys and girls such as you, who only want to have sex with other white people. And so there will always be hot irish girls for you to jack off to, dont worry. Its not as if the percentage of black and white marriages in this country is high. Your motives extend beyond this, you dont like 'anyone' whos white having sex with a black person. You want to control peoples personal freedom, which is why this white utopia is clearly bullshit.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: TheCow]
    #4863360 - 10/28/05 12:21 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Egypt, I'd say? It wasn't Black Africa, right?




hah, its fun to bend your own rules when you talk yourself into a corner, isn't it? They were still non-christian, non-anglosaxon, non-norse, non-white people. so your argument is moot. but you already knew that. your reply was either very sarcastic or very ignorant.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: kotik]
    #4864052 - 10/28/05 04:01 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Old Lou doesn't look too happy about the angry negoes destroying his property.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Los_Pepes]
    #4864241 - 10/28/05 04:50 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

As a white man I will say this. If I was making the decisions about who should and should not breed to improve humanity, MM would be spayed. First.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4864737 - 10/28/05 07:05 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

quick q. can i listen to my blues records in your all white society? or is it just music made by white people allowed? if so i'm out. white people cant play the blues like black people can.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: buggers]
    #4864788 - 10/28/05 07:18 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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white people cant play the blues like black people can.




MagicalMystery's probable response: Darkies singing about how their dogs died isn't much of a contribution to the culture of this country.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #4864890 - 10/28/05 07:46 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

haha. i'm actually really wondering, if music and art would be banned or censored if it was generated by people of a non-white race.

censorship sucks.

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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4864891 - 10/28/05 07:47 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Not in response to Zappa but...

If you click a link to an "controversial" website chances are your IP will not just be logged by the Government but probably also by the "controversial" organisation who's website you're visiting.


I'm seeing alot of "controversial" links here so I just want people to realize that the time the internet was the Fronteer is long gone. Rather it is Orwell's 1984 where privacy is a thing of the past.

Information is power, but remember you're VERY visible to a LOT of people if you get your information online. You get to choose who's watching you, but being logged is a given.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4865637 - 10/28/05 11:25 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Certainly you'd admit that your general theory, that being that mixing genes is ALWAYS good, isn't necessarily true, right?
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Granted, it is up to chance what traits will be gained or lost through sexual reproduction, but most positive traits are generally dominant, and negative traits recessive.




Source for that, please



"Think about the fact that genes code for directions for making proteins.
There are many different kinds of proteins in our body-enzymes for regulating
metabolism, structural proteins for building our bodies, hormones for
regulating processes etc.  If the gene for the protein is structural, then it
is important to have the right kind and the right amount.  If the gene is
defective (usually recessive genes are defective, but not always)(Hey, at least you're not wrong always, just most of the time) the right protein will not be made and the structure will either be defective and won't work at all or there won't be enough to maintain the structure. "
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/bio99/bio99691.htm

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Learn something about recessive and dominant traits and get back to me.




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Whjy don't you show me where it says that dominant traits are "Superior"?  Here we go again, we've gone from blacks and whites being "equal", to their dominant genes being superior.  Don't you see how assinine that is? Don't you see how totally inconsistent that is? Believing that mixing white and black races will lead to a race that has more black traits that are dominant and superior?  Thats what you accuse me of! thats what you deny! That racial traits are genetic.  Geez, read what you are saying man.



Why don't you? Comprehension is an all important part of reading. It seems that you are having a hard time with it. I never said that dominant traits are superior. I don't know where you got that from. Perhaps you are reading tea leaves or something. I merely pointed out that by supporting a gene pool open to new genetic code, we allow for more dominant(if you've read the above link you may now understand the usage of this term) genes to repair dysfunctional recessive genes.

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Henry Ford, Charles Lindbergh, two famous racists that contributed more than your little peanut butter makers can ever hope to.  Thats such a moronic straw-man argument I can't believed I dignified it (for the 50th time) with a response



Two wealthy white capitalists, one of which had every advantage from the start, who would have guessed that they would make at least something out of their lives?

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Blah Blah.  If someone invents something, their name is known.  Thomas Edison didn't have to hire a press secretary to let the world know what he invented, the invention was so useful that people knew who was making it. Same with Westinghouse, Ford, etc etc etc ad infintum



You love to ignore the effects racism had on the oppressed. I doubt any slave ever got recognition for any achievements they made. How could a man be less than human if he had creative potential?

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Your posts clearly imply that any introduction of black genetics into a white bloodline is undesirable because it degrades the race. Anyone who has read you posts can see that is your main theme. Trying to claim to have value for other attributes that blacks may possess is simply your way to dance around your ignorant racist views.




Typical response.  Instead of actually addressing my point you just state that I'm a racist.  In todays jew-parasite-infested society, thats all you need.  Why argue with someone to try to prove them wrong when you know accusing them of the highest treason ahd heresy, RACISM, will do all your arguing for you.  You'll notice how few times I say "nigger" or "kike" or "spic", emotionally loaded words that are intented to play to someones feelings rather than intellect, then see how often people use words like that to me in lieu of arguing.  "nazi" "racist" "fascist" "hater" "Fear" etc. 



I'm simply stating the obvious. You make all of my points for me, thanks.

It's great that your little club has become all PC and shit, but it ain't foolin' no one. I guess now I have to be sensitive to the tolerance impaired.

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Whats so special about a set of racial traits that I don't want to see it go extinct? How do you feel about environmental issues?  I like how the liberals will stop lumberjacks from having a job to protect an endangered bird, but they have to question why a group of people should be allowed to carry on their genetic material.  I think that red haired irish girls ar ebeautiful.    I want them to exist as long as humans do, rather than be replaced with Halfricans.



I dig red heads as well, and I'm sure there will be red-heads for some time to come. However, If at some time, natural selection causes a particular human trait to be lost, then it wasn't a trait that humans need to survive in the ever changing environment of planet earth.

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Whats so special about kinky, greasy black hair and dry ashy negroi "skin" thats going to save the world.



Proof positive that you don't know much about black folks' hair, at least. I've touched many black persons hair and never was it greasy to the touch. Oh yeah, my elbows get ashy sometimes as well. Does this mean I'm part black? :omg:

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People are people no matter where you go.



OK, lets go.  I'll go to Fifth Avenue and you can go to Crenshaw street. We'll see how they react.



OK, but you have to wear black face.

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Any song requests for your funeral?



Sure!! Ebony and Ivory

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I just want to clarify, you think that poor whites and poor blacks, of the same socioeconomic class, behave the same way?  Just want to get your answer again before I deal with that statement.



Let's get this straight. I don't view people as different races. I use the term so as to not confuse you. HUMAN BEINGS that are treated equally from birth, will, given a certain circumstance, act in a very similar manner, regardless of the color of their skin. However, twins that are raised very differently will behave very differently.

A white person who has been treated with prejudice from birth will act accordingly to what he/she sees as the source of his/her persecution. You can deny the existence of prejudice against blacks all you want but that doesn't make it non-existent. It has had an affect. The actions of white people today is what will shape the way future black people see us and how they feel toward us.


Go on and try again. You're causing me to have to do some research, but it's fun blowing away all of your arguments. Oh, I'm sure you see it differently, but that's the way of the world.


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: Ekstaza]
    #4865708 - 10/28/05 11:46 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Lindbergh
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As Nazi Germany began World War II, the Republican Lindbergh became a prominent speaker in favor of isolationism and pro-German policies, going so far as to recommend that the United States negotiate a neutrality pact with Germany during his January 23, 1941 testimony before Congress. Lindbergh was also the major spokesman for America First providing many speeches during 1940-1941. Lindbergh stated he would publicly name "the groups that were most powerful and effective in pushing the United States towards involvement in the war". At an America First rally in Des Moines, Iowa, on September 11, 1941, he made an infamous speech titled: "Who Are the War Agitators?". In it, he claimed that Americans had solidly opposed entering the war when it began, and that three groups had been "pressing this country toward war" -- the Roosevelt Administration, the British, and the Jews, and complained about what he insisted was the Jews' "large ownership and influence in our motion pictures, our press, our radio and our government."[/i In the same speech, Lindbergh clearly communicated that he considered Jewish-Americans to not be patriotic when he said; "But I am saying that the leaders of both the British and Jewish races, for reasons which are understandable from their viewpoint as they are inadvisable from ours, for reasons which are not American, wish to involve us in the war. We cannot blame them for looking out for what they believe to be their own interests, but we also must look out for ours. We cannot allow the natural passions and prejudices of other people to lead our country to destruction." He also made an implicit threat against them, stating: "Instead of agitating for war, the Jewish groups in this country should be opposing it in every possible way for they will be among the first to feel its consequences. Tolerance is a virtue that depends upon peace and strength. History shows that it cannot survive war and devastation."





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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4865863 - 10/29/05 12:42 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Umm.. I find it a bit odd that you keep putting so much emphasis on Charles Lindberg. How exactly is it important that a rich white guy was blaming the blacks and the Jews in a time when that was a fashion in some circles?

What makes CL so important?
A personal racist rolemodel perhaps?


OK, you don't like words like racist and such. Are they offensive to you? Is there shame amidst the pride? You proudly say Charles Lindberg was a racist too but seem reluctant to adopt the term yourself.
Is White Nationalist OK then?

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Whats so special about a set of racial traits that I don't want to see it go extinct? How do you feel about environmental issues? I like how the liberals will stop lumberjacks from having a job to protect an endangered bird, but they have to question why a group of people should be allowed to carry on their genetic material. I think that red haired irish girls ar ebeautiful. I want them to exist as long as humans do, rather than be replaced with Halfricans.





Now that is VERY interesting.
Lets tell you something about red hair then.

Red hair is a genetic trait of the NEANDERTHAL MAN, which only lived in Europe. The human species (Homo Sapiens) did not posess the genes. But, the early Europeans did some intensive *racemixing* with the Neanderthal man (and woman) and this is how the human race acqwuired red hair. You heard me right: the human race.

Streaks of red hair are not unusual in Africans and rare but present in some Asians. But umm.. they never were in Europe, right?
That would mean the Europeans did some racemixing with them too, wouldn't it?

And that is a fact. Because people have sex with their next door neighbour, and they with their neighbour etc, and we are all neighbours, the genes are in constant flux throughout the races. You can easily have more genetic markers in common with someone living in africa than with your own cousin. That is biological FACT.

Genes aren't restricted to race lines, but they flow from neighbour to neighbor, villaghe to village, land to land, continernt to continent.

Like the Neanderthal red hair gene that arouses you.

And umm, if that girl doesnt "mix her race" (which is patent nonsense, every baby has combinations of pure undiluted genes, a gene does not change color hereditarily but rather the palette changes) her offspring might well have that precious red hair thats with the whites, blacks and asians for thousands of years now.

And hey, in your philosophy: wouldnt the STRONG survive? So why artificially protect the white race then, if it's supposed to be The Strong? If it is superior it needs no protection, but if you secretly believe all that bull about white man who can't jump and are muscularly and sexually inferior then you might want to set up san artificial endangered species program to Save The White.

So your Irish girl shares neanderthal genes with the whole world and you want to artificially preserve the white race because you fear it will otherwise die out to give darwinistically superior "halfricans" or how you call it. That is so sad man, so sad. :frown:


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Re: On Forming a White Nation [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4868395 - 10/29/05 09:18 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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As Nazi Germany began World War II, the Republican Lindbergh became a prominent speaker in favor of isolationism and pro-German policies, going so far as to recommend that the United States negotiate a neutrality pact with Germany during his January 23, 1941 testimony before Congress. Lindbergh was also the major spokesman for America First providing many speeches during 1940-1941. Lindbergh stated he would publicly name "the groups that were most powerful and effective in pushing the United States towards involvement in the war". At an America First rally in Des Moines, Iowa, on September 11, 1941, he made an infamous speech titled: "Who Are the War Agitators?". In it, he claimed that Americans had solidly opposed entering the war when it began, and that three groups had been "pressing this country toward war" -- the Roosevelt Administration, the British, and the Jews, and complained about what he insisted was the Jews' "large ownership and influence in our motion pictures, our press, our radio and our government." In the same speech, Lindbergh clearly communicated that he considered Jewish-Americans to not be patriotic when he said; "But I am saying that the leaders of both the British and Jewish races, for reasons which are understandable from their viewpoint as they are inadvisable from ours, for reasons which are not American, wish to involve us in the war. We cannot blame them for looking out for what they believe to be their own interests, but we also must look out for ours. We cannot allow the natural passions and prejudices of other people to lead our country to destruction." He also made an implicit threat against them, stating: "Instead of agitating for war, the Jewish groups in this country should be opposing it in every possible way for they will be among the first to feel its consequences. Tolerance is a virtue that depends upon peace and strength. History shows that it cannot survive war and devastation."







Yeah, we get it, Charles Lindbergh was a racist nut-job who was overly paranoid of people who were of a different religious, political, or national background from him.

It is widely known that people of that time were prejudiced. Guess what? They were wrong for being so. It looks like the rest of America at the time dismissed his views much as I and many others do today.


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