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 Re: Howard Zinn - People's History  [Re: Twirling]
#4837016 - 10/22/05 02:36 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Just do a search in PAL forum for Chomsky, you'll find a ton of them.
I've been here a few years and never seen one thread that, even remotely, succesfully debunked Chomsky. I've seen an awful lot of right-wingers pull out the moronic "He's a holocaust denier" (because Chomsky said even holocaust deniers have the right to free speech). And I've read a lot of about how bad he is but never with any reliable backup. Just a lot of bellyache and gutwind.
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Re: Howard Zinn - People's History [Re: Alex213]
#4837043 - 10/22/05 02:53 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've been here a few years...
Do tell.
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... and never seen one thread that, even remotely, succesfully debunked Chomsky.
You probably just missed them. There's certainly no shortage of them.
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Re: Howard Zinn - People's History [Re: Phred]
#4837045 - 10/22/05 02:54 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Then you can link us to em young Phrederick..
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Re: Howard Zinn - People's History [Re: Alex213]
#4837064 - 10/22/05 03:12 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Howard Zinn - People's History [Re: Phred]
#4837164 - 10/22/05 05:13 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Like I said. A lot of gutwind and bellyache and no backup.
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Re: Howard Zinn - People's History [Re: Alex213]
#4837201 - 10/22/05 05:51 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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the accusation about the sources are funny. I believe he is a prof at M.I.T. and in the world of academia, a mistake like this cannot be gone unnoticed.
that was the best reply out of that whole thread. i did read into the links that were posted, but I did not find a single "red-handed" statement regarding chomsky making up numbers or "spewing lies."
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Re: Howard Zinn - People's History [Re: kotik]
#4837203 - 10/22/05 05:59 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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You never will. The general right-wing idea is to say utterly ludicrous things like "Chomsky has been a proven liar for four decades" but never provide any "proof".
Same as it ever was.
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Re: Howard Zinn - People's History [Re: Alex213]
#4837369 - 10/22/05 09:28 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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You are of course free to ignore the abundant proof of Chomsky's dishonesty if you so choose. No skin off my nose.
Some readers of this forum prefer to form their opinions through the review of factual information, some prefer to form their opinions through other means. I will concede Chomsky may have some appeal to the latter group.
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Re: Howard Zinn - People's History [Re: Phred]
#4837497 - 10/22/05 10:16 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Howard Zinn and Noam Chomsky have both converted to Islam and are working toward converting everyone in the world to this true faith.
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Re: Howard Zinn - People's History [Re: Phred]
#4837773 - 10/22/05 11:31 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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You are of course free to ignore the abundant proof of Chomsky's dishonesty if you so choose.
When you can provide any of this "abundant proof" please post it.
BTW, Los Pepes post above does not qualify as "abundant proof".
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Re: Howard Zinn - People's History [Re: Alex213]
#4838490 - 10/22/05 03:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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this was the closest article i could find after reading for quite a while, and by "googling" as you suggested. if i am ignoring some huge article let me know, but the links you posted, and the links on the internet no way even hint at chomsky making up quotes or anything of the sort
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Noam Chomsky?s Jihad Against America
By David Horowitz and Ronald Radosh
FrontPageMagazine.com | December 19, 2001
Note: A reader has pointed out an error in our article "Noam Chomsky?s Jihad Against America", which is important enough to warrant a correction. In his MIT speech, Chomsky referred to a September 16 NY Times article about food supplies in Afghanistan. Through a researcher?s error, we cited an article from the October 16 NY Times in our rebuttal. This led us to accuse Chomsky of making up his quote. In fact, Chomsky was quoting the article accurately. We regret the error. The error, on the other hand, has no bearing on the charge Chomsky was making -- which we rebutted -- that the United States was deliberately planning to starve 3-4 million Afghan civilians. As we point out in this corrected version, the October 16 NY Times article we cited, which described the efforts of the American government to provide food supplies to Afghans, was available to Chomsky at the time he maliciously and falsely described U.S. policy as one of promoting a "silent genocide."
--David Horowitz and Ron Radosh
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Re: Howard Zinn - People's History [Re: kotik]
#4838590 - 10/22/05 04:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'll presume you meant to respond to me rather than to Alex213. If you click on the link I provide it will take you to a recent thread with tons of links and posts with excerpts from those links showing many examples of Chomsky's lies. You can Google if you want as well, but if you read through the whole thread you'll save yourself a lot of time.
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Re: Howard Zinn - People's History [Re: kotik]
#4840459 - 10/23/05 03:09 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Note: A reader has pointed out an error in our article "Noam Chomsky?s Jihad Against America", which is important enough to warrant a correction. In his MIT speech, Chomsky referred to a September 16 NY Times article about food supplies in Afghanistan. Through a researcher?s error, we cited an article from the October 16 NY Times in our rebuttal. This led us to accuse Chomsky of making up his quote. In fact, Chomsky was quoting the article accurately.
To be honest this is about as good as the anti-chomsky camp get.
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Re: Howard Zinn - People's History [Re: Alex213]
#4840924 - 10/23/05 10:30 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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What makes Chomsky the most menacing is that he isn't quite aligned with any US political party, so they cannot just condemn him as a Democrat hawk and whatnot. Also, because the right-wing doesn't have an anti-Chomsky. Not that there's really any way you can discount the HISTORICAL EVIDENCE the genocide the US has been responsible for in Central America, South America, Indochina, or the Middle East.
I recently heard a "debate" between Chomsky and Richard Perle. Suffice to say, it's very little wonder why no one debates him. He hilariously tore Perle to shreds and Perle's only real response was that Chomsky's point of view was "a very cynical way to view the world."
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Re: Howard Zinn - People's History [Re: bukkake]
#4840945 - 10/23/05 10:38 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm not doubting you, but could you tell me whom these genocides were directed at?
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Re: Howard Zinn - People's History [Re: bukkake]
#4840965 - 10/23/05 10:46 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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bukkake said:
What makes Chomsky the most menacing is that he isn't quite aligned with any US political party, so they cannot just condemn him as a Democrat hawk and whatnot. Also, because the right-wing doesn't have an anti-Chomsky. Not that there's really any way you can discount the HISTORICAL EVIDENCE the genocide the US has been responsible for in Central America, South America, Indochina, or the Middle East.
Bilge like this is exactly the reason why Chomsky and similar nutlogs are totally harmless, ineffectual noise machines. Bleat all you wish but the only place any of this shit gets any traction is with the Lyndon Larouche ex-pats looking for a new loon. Chomsky's influence on America, nil. I have more influence than him.
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I recently heard a "debate" between Chomsky and Richard Perle. Suffice to say, it's very little wonder why no one debates him. He hilariously tore Perle to shreds and Perle's only real response was that Chomsky's point of view was "a very cynical way to view the world."
Wow, a cult member thinks "der vater" won a "debate". Call the papers.
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Re: Howard Zinn - People's History [Re: bukkake]
#4841111 - 10/23/05 11:35 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I recently heard a "debate" between Chomsky and Richard Perle. Suffice to say, it's very little wonder why no one debates him. He hilariously tore Perle to shreds and Perle's only real response was that Chomsky's point of view was "a very cynical way to view the world."
I've never seen anyone on the right with the intelligence or depth of knowledge to get anywhere near Chomsky. All they ever do is launch personal attacks.
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Re: Howard Zinn - People's History [Re: Alex213]
#4841535 - 10/23/05 01:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm not doubting you, but could you tell me whom these genocides were directed at?
The CIA's reign of terror in Central America in the 80s: From the supporting of the castrating of nuns by the tax payer funded, Negroponte-directed death squads in Honduras(Batallion 316) to the havoc reaked upon Nicaragua, all because the left-leaning Sandinistas were democratically elected and looking to turn the country into a socialist, egalitarian state. The overthrowing of Allende in Chile and installment and support of Pinochet, who is/was a murderous thug and just until recently was immune of punishment for his crimes against humanity. The interventions in 'Nam and Laos which we're familiar with.
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Bilge like this is exactly the reason why Chomsky and similar nutlogs are totally harmless, ineffectual noise machines. Bleat all you wish but the only place any of this shit gets any traction is with the Lyndon Larouche ex-pats looking for a new loon. Chomsky's influence on America, nil. I have more influence than him.
If you sleep better at night THINKING your country hasn't been responsible for gross atrocities and bloodshed globally, that's your choice, toots.
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Re: Howard Zinn - People's History [Re: bukkake]
#4841556 - 10/23/05 01:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Those were mass killings to be sure, and absolutely morally repregensible, but I don't think they meet the strict rrequirements to be considered genocides.
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Re: Howard Zinn - People's History [Re: bukkake]
#4841659 - 10/23/05 02:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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bukkake said:
From the supporting of the castrating of nuns
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Bilge like this is exactly the reason why Chomsky and similar nutlogs are totally harmless, ineffectual noise machines. Bleat all you wish but the only place any of this shit gets any traction is with the Lyndon Larouche ex-pats looking for a new loon. Chomsky's influence on America, nil. I have more influence than him.
If you sleep better at night THINKING your country hasn't been responsible for gross atrocities and bloodshed globally, that's your choice, toots.
I must admit that I have lost a great deal of sleep over the thought of all those nun testicles sacrificed on the altar of US capitalist hegemony. Where does a nun nut go when it is liberated anyway?
Lunatic. Fringe. Marginalized. Ignored. Enjoy your little session. I prefer pictures of nekkid women for mine.
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