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Offlinewillmafingerdo
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do you dunk your poo??
    #4810912 - 10/16/05 03:08 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

well my first poo flush is comeing to an end and i was wondering if you can dunk a poo casing or if they hold moister good enough that you dont have to.

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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: willmafingerdo]
    #4810975 - 10/16/05 03:24 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

Same here.


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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: FungusMan]
    #4810985 - 10/16/05 03:26 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

the mushrooms use that water in there. 90% of the weight of those mushrooms is water that was in that poo.


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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #4810998 - 10/16/05 03:29 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

We know that, kilgore,lol. Thats why we are asking.


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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: willmafingerdo]
    #4811015 - 10/16/05 03:33 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

Cold shock and dunk will do u good.


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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: willmafingerdo]
    #4811059 - 10/16/05 03:43 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

Assuming the h/poo - is in a tray.

Simply use distilled water, with a bit of hydrogen peroxide in it - to flood the tray. Then - after about 20 minutes, tilt the tray at a very steep angle & allow any excess moisture - the cased substrate failed to absorb - drain off.  :thumbup: :wink:


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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: agar]
    #4811068 - 10/16/05 03:47 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

doesnt the water on top of your casing destroy the pins that are forming for the next flush? maybe you could fill it with water until it was almost to the top of the casing so it could soak in through the sides.


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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: donkey_lipz]
    #4811099 - 10/16/05 03:55 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

ya, i think flooding a casing isnt a good thing... what ive been told about successfully rehydrating a casing (even though they dont really need it since), is to pick EVERY lil mushie when you decide to pick your first flush, unless there are 2 or 3 obviously speedy ones. So say you have a casing tray with like 10 mature mushrooms and 5-10 immature lil guys, pick them ALL, so that u can water this casing. Once all picked, reapply a thin layer of casing to make sure that contams do not get into the areas where u just twisted the mushies off, then bring the casing surface back to the "nearly saturated" level with a very fine mist. should be fine :smile: been told that "dunking / cold shocking" casings is worthless, as they are strategies to produce better flushes from cakes.


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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: PookztA]
    #4811170 - 10/16/05 04:10 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

Uve been told its worthless.
I on the other hand have experienced the difference between the 2 and can say i speak
with experience.

dunking is just fully rehydrating the whole casing, nothing more nothing less.


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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: willmafingerdo]
    #4811177 - 10/16/05 04:12 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

I usually take the casing out of it's tray, dunk it in warm water overnight (about 80 degrees or so). This gives me an opportunity to clean the tray again and get any mycelia piss out of it and make sure it's nice and sanitary for the mycelial mass again. I usually pull the casing out and sprinkle some dry vermiculite on it, then mist it well when it's in the terrarium again.


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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: MagicalMystery]
    #4811263 - 10/16/05 04:36 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

You can also simply weigh the tray, when it is fully colonized - but in the pre-pinning stage. That gives you a starting weight figure.

After a harvest, weigh the crop. Then - weigh the tray.

Those figures will tell you the approximate amount of water weight lost.

Simply replace that weight loss - with an equal amount of water weight.


This is around the 7th or 8th flush from a tray - done that way, when I was testing my Myco~Nitro substrate.

You can also simply purchase a KELWAY PH & MOISTURE METER.
http://store.yahoo.com/cspoutdoors/noname5.html
(same as Stamet's uses).

Then, test moisture level & add water - until you get it where you want it.

I am not a fan of "dunking" a colonized substrate, nor removing a colonized substrate - from a tray. As that simply exposes it to possible contaminates - from every possible angle.


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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: SubGen1us]
    #4811268 - 10/16/05 04:36 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

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Cold shock and dunk will do u good.




Wrong. Especially wrong.

You don't cold shock cubes, it has been disproven. And especially after a flush already you would not cold shock.

And the casing layer is the water reservoir for the fruitbodies, if you had no casing, then the poo itself would be the source. So just make sure the casing layer is wet.


Edited by ThePerspective (10/16/05 04:39 PM)


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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: willmafingerdo]
    #4811286 - 10/16/05 04:39 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

I had pretty good results soaking my poo trays for about 4 hours or so, completely submerged. It works, and you'll definitely see results if it's done right.


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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: ThePerspective]
    #4811299 - 10/16/05 04:42 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

True, the "COLD SHOCK" thing, (IMHO), is way over-rated.

A simple drop in temps - to the low or mid 70's, light & FAE has done it for me - always.


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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: ThePerspective]
    #4811325 - 10/16/05 04:47 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

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SubGen1us said:
Cold shock and dunk will do u good.




Wrong. Especially wrong.

You don't cold shock cubes, it has been disproven. And especially after a flush already you would not cold shock.

And the casing layer is the water reservoir for the fruitbodies, if you had no casing, then the poo itself would be the source. So just make sure the casing layer is wet.




If u think about it dropping the temp to start pinning itself is a "cold shock"
now how can that be disproven.
Horse poo is good. Why?
well it holds more water than cow poo.

maybe i should have said rehydrate the substrate.
Casing is often used to describe the casing as a whole as i did not say casing layer.


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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: SubGen1us]
    #4811346 - 10/16/05 04:52 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

I meant extreme COLD SHOCK, like in the fridge overnight, or dunking in ice water.


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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: ThePerspective]
    #4811356 - 10/16/05 04:54 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

Oh and besides, the post asks " do u dunk ur poo"
never once refering too cubes just too the poo.


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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: SubGen1us]
    #4811505 - 10/16/05 05:55 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

He's talking about poo, thus dung loving mushrooms (cubes). If he was growing exotics, he would likely say so. Cubes are tropical, they are not meant to be put into 35 degree conditions as they never see it during their lifetime. It delays pinning and can be an open door for contamination either from the fridge itself, moving to and from the fridge, or the mycelium network taking a hit from the cold and not being able to have an edge on contamination.


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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: ThePerspective]
    #4811618 - 10/16/05 06:20 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

i think if you are going to dunk, spring water/mineral water is better than distilled. Distilled allows for rapid dissolving of nutes and minerals and what not, since it has nothing dissolved in it. Spring less so.


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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: ThePerspective]
    #4811901 - 10/16/05 07:48 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

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You don't cold shock cubes, it has been disproven.





how can you prove this?


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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: SubGen1us]
    #4812000 - 10/16/05 08:07 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

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If u think about it dropping the temp to start pinning itself is a "cold shock"
now how can that be disproven.
Horse poo is good. Why?
well it holds more water than cow poo.





Natural temperature declines within 10 degrees would be like the start of a new season, that isn't a "shock" And wrong again, horse is better due to being fluffier and less digested. You don't want soaking wet horse poo, they draw the water from the casing layer mostly.


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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: A0999]
    #4812060 - 10/16/05 08:17 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

Do the research and prove it to yourself. Cubensis is not found in any area that gets as cold as a fridge. Other species could benefit, cubensis is not one of them.


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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: ThePerspective]
    #4812155 - 10/16/05 08:36 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

"Do the research and prove it to yourself."

your the one thats stating all these facts, why dont you back it up?

"Cubensis is not found in any area that gets as cold as a fridge."

remember, were not trying to "grow" mushrooms in the fridge. were just using the extreme temperature change to trigger fruting.

"Other species could benefit, cubensis is not one of them."

IME cubensis IS one of those species


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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: A0999]
    #4812957 - 10/16/05 11:03 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

damn didnt meant to start a fight!! :P~ ty guys for all the info:) ill just spary it down with a water bottle, its my first atempt at poo so its not a awsome casing. just trying to get the feel for poo.  here when i get the hang of using poo ill do a comparison cold shock vs non and dunk vs non and post the resalts :smile:.. now play nice kids or ill turn this bus around and will go straight home!!

im kind of embarassed to show this but heres the first flush.. the casing wasnt 100% colonized, i got impatient and whent ahead and cased it anyway :frown:  i pulled the 2 biggest ones off of it today (before pics were taken) they equaled 50 gms wet. i must say they are comeing in alot bigger than when i grew them out on corn (there cams if you were wondering).


TY all for the info :smile:
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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: willmafingerdo]
    #4813085 - 10/16/05 11:28 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

Because I was simply stating what I know as a fact. If you don't want to do the reading, it's your choice and chance of failure. I never said that anyone was growing anything in a fridge, but the temperatures reached are un-natural and harmful. And plenty of people have never done a fridge dunk and get perfect flushes, seeing as how a 10 degree drop is all that is needed in nature; and in home.


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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: ThePerspective]
    #4813299 - 10/16/05 11:57 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

"your choice and chance of failure."
hah! thats a good one.

"I never said that anyone was growing anything in a fridge"

i was proving your statement "cubensis is not found in any are that gets cold as a fridge" irrelevant. as we are not trying to "grow in any area that gets cold as a fridge".

"but the temperatures reached are un-natural and harmful."

bullshit.


"And plenty of people have never done a fridge dunk and get perfect flushes"

as have people that have cold shocked

"seeing as how a 10 degree drop is all that is needed in nature; and in home."

"all that is NEEDED" do you think nature needs to go through sterilization, liquid culture, agar, grain to grain, spawning to poo, casing??? we do all that stuff because it allows us to grow better. an indoor grow will be more sufficient than an outdoor forever. its all about innovation and adaptation.


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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: A0999]
    #4813726 - 10/17/05 12:52 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

Believe what you want, pal, but if you want to stick a fragile network into contaminate-ville, be my guest. Go ask any major grower if they cold shock or not, and I bet you'll get a whole lot of not's. And your last analogy has to be the stupidest thing I've seen in awhile; advanced cultivation methods have nothing to do with how the genetics of the mushroom define how it will best grow.


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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: ThePerspective]
    #4813779 - 10/17/05 01:00 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

bicker bicker bicker, one would think they're in a toy forum full of kids


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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: ThePerspective]
    #4813949 - 10/17/05 01:26 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

whats the point in taking personal stabs at me? is that all there is left for you to make your self look better?

look, i dont know why your having a hard time understanding such simple things.

you said a 10 degree drop is all that is needed in nature. ok, its all that is "needed", but there may be more "optimal" conditions, example: cold shocking(lower temperature). other occurences that happen in nature may be all that is "needed". however, more optimal occurences may be "sterilization, liquid culture, agar, grain to grain, spawning to poo, casing". so tell me how is that a bad analogy? it seems to fit perfect.

genetics have little to do with this, all forms of life are constantly addapting. this does not exclude cubensis mushrooms.

ive got 4 years of experience growing which is enough to know how things are. i can conclude that most of the facts you are stating are just untrue.

OK YEAH YEAH YEAH.... COLD SHOCKING IS NOT NECESSARY, BUT THAT DOESNT MEAN IT DOESNT WORK!

in my experience cold shocking has lead to faster pin formation than if it was not cold shocked.

as for refridgerators being a contaminant hazard, i have never once had any problems with this. i think if you keep your fridge halway clean(no mold, no old food, or anything obvious) you wont ever have a problem with contams from your fridge.


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    #4814059 - 10/17/05 01:46 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: finding_self]
    #4814458 - 10/17/05 03:01 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

I wouldn't lower myself to personal stabs. A 10 degree drop IS optimal. And a tropical mushroom is not going to suddenly adapt to live in Alaska, sorry. X number of years means nothing to me, ask some of the real pro's around here and see what they say and watch it mimic me. I don't put out bunk info.


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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: ThePerspective]
    #4814612 - 10/17/05 03:36 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

yo so i am somewhat convinced that dunking my poo will help, especially if that guy is on his 7th or 8th flush, lol... so i guess my question, is will the casing layer be contaminated enough so that it doesnt crumble once the contents of tray + casing are dunked? or do you scrape off casing / what is left of casing AFTER its dunked... basically im wondering why i cant just mist the casing :smile:


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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: ThePerspective]
    #4814708 - 10/17/05 04:03 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

there you go again. who the fuck said anything about alaska? THE MYCELIUM IS ONLY IN THE FRIDGE OVERNIGHT, NOT ITS ENTIRE FRUTING CYCLE. cold shocking is just a fast triggering of fruiting.

we can settle this whole thing right now if you would just provide some decent proof.

if experience means nothing to you then why do you rely on these "real pros" so much?

so would you admit there are no negative effects of cold shocking besides contamination(which only occurs if you dont take proper precautions)? from what ive collect you basically just dont feel like putting your cakes in the fridge. for no good reason.

heres what i realized. casings are too much trouble for cold shocking. cakes are perfect candidates for cold shocking though. however, not many people including myself ever go back to cakes after casing(im including bulk w/ casings). so i havent actually cold shocked anything in a while but i still stand by my opinion that it accelerates pinning.

its just too easy not to cold shock when fruiting from cakes. right after you birth them you want to rehydrate and initiate pinning. so while your dunking you might as well cold shock.

when fruting from casings after you birth you want to hydrate but you DONT want to induce pinning just yet. so you dunk(when using pf style cakes of course. not applicable to grains) then mix with casing mixture which is allready hydrated so theres no need to dunk. you still dont want to initiate pinning just yet. you toss the casing back in the incibator to allow more mycelial growth. when grow through is optimal you then want to induce pinning but your not going to dunk, your going to put your casing straight into your fruiting chamber. since your not going to dunk then its not really worth cold shocking because that 12-24 period would be used to initiate pinning in a semi natural enviroment. whereas if you werent dunking and cold shocking at the same time you would just be wasting a whole day of pin formation. that basically applies to bulk production too.

and thats why i feel like cold shocking is considered overrated.


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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: A0999]
    #4814796 - 10/17/05 04:24 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

You didn't get the point. A tropical mushroom will only survive in tropical conditions. In tropical conditions, they don't see a 35 degree freezing rain day. No, it won't kill it, but it may very well hinder it. No, it's not the whole fruiting cycle, but it is INDEED a shock, a potentially dangerous one to the network. Cold shocking can delay pinning and cause lowered pinsets. Thus these extra few days that you'd have faster pinning and colonization, you'd also have a vector for contamination.


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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: ThePerspective]
    #4814878 - 10/17/05 05:07 AM (16 years, 13 days ago)

ThePerspective, you are right except for one point. It really isn't necessary to cold shock during a dunk and it will in fact delay pinning for a few extra days, but the reason it is done is to prevent contams getting hold while it is submerged - the cold temps slows the growth of all spores, including the mycelial network.

I always dunk my casings, and never cold shock - Im experimenting with adding nutrients in the form of a soluble organic fertiliser - seaweed extract - to the dunk water. Seems to keep the flushes strong and healthy, but is a bigger gamble with contams. Never had one yet though......


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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: ThePerspective]
    #4815504 - 10/17/05 12:06 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

"You didn't get the point."
im pretty sure your the on thats not getting the point

"A tropical mushroom will only survive in tropical conditions."
a mushroom maybe. but mycelium can survive in freezing temperatures

"In tropical conditions, they don't see a 35 degree freezing rain day."
again, the occurences in nature may not be the absolute best way that the mushrooms can grow. there may be better conditions than in nature.

"No, it won't kill it, but it may very well hinder it."
yeah growth may be stalled while its in the fridge, but 10 miutes later when that mycelium has reached 70-75 degrees it will be right on its way again.

No, it's not the whole fruiting cycle, but it is INDEED a shock, a potentially dangerous one to the network.
well speaking from experience its never been dangerous. ive never lost 1 single cake due to cantams after a cold shock.

"Cold shocking can delay pinning and cause lowered pinsets."
true, but only for the time that its actually 30-40 degrees(in the fridge)

"Thus these extra few days that you'd have faster pinning and colonization, you'd also have a vector for contamination."
again, no cantams here.


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    #4816152 - 10/17/05 03:26 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

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ThePerspective, you are right except for one point. It really isn't necessary to cold shock during a dunk and it will in fact delay pinning for a few extra days, but the reason it is done is to prevent contams getting hold while it is submerged - the cold temps slows the growth of all spores, including the mycelial network.

I always dunk my casings, and never cold shock - Im experimenting with adding nutrients in the form of a soluble organic fertiliser - seaweed extract - to the dunk water. Seems to keep the flushes strong and healthy, but is a bigger gamble with contams. Never had one yet though......




Err, what? I'm the one advising AGAINST cold shocking. Cold does nothing for preventing contamination during a shock. Adding H2O2 or bleach, does.


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    #4816167 - 10/17/05 03:29 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

GIVE IT A REST, LET HIM THINK HE'S RIGHT AND JUST KNOW TO YOURSELF YOU ARE RIGHT, THE POSTER WILL DECIDE WHO'S ADVICE HE WANTS TO TAKE AND WILL LEARN WHO'S CORRECT THROUGH TRIAL AND ERROR. SORRY, BUT HOW LONG ARE YOU GOING TO KEEP THIS GOING?


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    #4816531 - 10/17/05 04:58 PM (16 years, 13 days ago)

WTF is your problem? we are just having a debate. none of this is serious. at least not to me. what can i say? i guess i just like to argue a bit, but there are no hard feelings towards anyone. i respect his opinion.

lol, il even admit cold shocking is a waste of time and not necessary.


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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: ThePerspective]
    #4818474 - 10/18/05 12:02 AM (16 years, 12 days ago)

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_OttO_ said:
ThePerspective, you are right except for one point. It really isn't necessary to cold shock during a dunk and it will in fact delay pinning for a few extra days, but the reason it is done is to prevent contams getting hold while it is submerged - the cold temps slows the growth of all spores, including the mycelial network.

I always dunk my casings, and never cold shock - Im experimenting with adding nutrients in the form of a soluble organic fertiliser - seaweed extract - to the dunk water. Seems to keep the flushes strong and healthy, but is a bigger gamble with contams. Never had one yet though......




Err, what? I'm the one advising AGAINST cold shocking. Cold does nothing for preventing contamination during a shock. Adding H2O2 or bleach, does.




Im agreeing with your views AGAINST cold shocking. Im disagreeing with your ideas that cold does nothing to prevent contamination. If a fridge does nothing to prevent contamination, take all your food out of it for two days and watch what happens.


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    #4818504 - 10/18/05 12:11 AM (16 years, 12 days ago)

I'm saying that by putting it into the most infected room in the house, the cold is negated. And that bad molds and the like will still flourish in a fridge.


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    #4818555 - 10/18/05 12:22 AM (16 years, 12 days ago)

Common sense says no one grows better than mother nature...why subject mycelium to anything that they wouldn't encounter naturally...gotta go with ThePerspective on this one. Besides if I'm trying to prevent contams, the fridge is the LAST place that I want to be...


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    #4818604 - 10/18/05 12:32 AM (16 years, 12 days ago)

If bad moulds flourish in your fridge, I think its broken. I havent cleaned my fridge for 3 months and there is nothing at all growing in it on anyhting.

But I still see where your coming from, I can see why you think there is a higher level of contams in a fridge - because of the fact its full of foodstuff.

In the other thread discussing cold shocking you said this -

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Everytime you open that door, another suck-in of contaminated warm kitchen air happens.




So what you are saying is that the air in the kitchen is contaminated ANYWAY (which is right - all rooms in all houses are full of billions of spores looking for a home). But there is simply no argument that cold temps SLOW the rate at which all spores and bacteria grow, that is the whole point of a fridge in the first place.

Your casings are obviously exposed to contamination wherever they are, so what is the harm in putting them in the fridge to SLOW the spread of contamination right down??


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    #4818639 - 10/18/05 12:43 AM (16 years, 12 days ago)

I don't have a problem beside the fact that this thread is days old and is only being continued by a difference in opinion. If you guys want to argue, I think, IMO, you should PM eachother. Sorry if it seems I'm being an asshole, I'm just rather annoyed that you guys are arguing over a difference of opinion and keeping a dead thread alive. If you would Like to contiue your debate, consider posting a thread in the contamination forum; Subject: FRIDGES AND CONTAMS

just a thought, and once again, IMO


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    #4818662 - 10/18/05 12:49 AM (16 years, 12 days ago)

I'm saying once again, that kitchen air IS the most contaminated in the house. Your sink in a kitchen is more contamed than even your toilet. And the harm in it is you have to transport across x rooms to get to the kitchen which may be a vector as it's done 2x, and once again, because the mycelium network takes a hit from such unnatural temps, and all of the possible contams might have a chance to get a hold in this time.

And providing information about a sterility issue in cultivation is a worthwhile cause. Bad information should be abolished, not practiced.


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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: ThePerspective]
    #4818774 - 10/18/05 01:08 AM (16 years, 12 days ago)

Like I said, I totally see your point, just disagreed with the cold temps/contamination thing. Fridges are designed prevent contamination from happening, period.

I keep my kitchen as clean as a normal kitchen should be, I do all my work in there including open air inoculation of Liquid Cultures from prints, and to date I have never ever had one contam. I conduct all growing procedures with bare hands, I just give em a quick wash with soap before, and likewise handle all casings etc in the same way.

Basically, I think unless you live in a pig stye, and if you are generally sensible when growing, IME contams arent a huge issue.


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Re: do you dunk your poo?? [Re: ThePerspective]
    #4818807 - 10/18/05 01:14 AM (16 years, 12 days ago)

This is from parenting magazine:

(Not the Journal of nature or anything...but not a bad source either)

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"...Researchers at The University of Arizona in Tucson, swabbed hundreds of surfaces, which can harbor disease causing germs, to determine the most unhygienic areas of commonly found in the home and in public areas.

In Your Home

Experts say the most likely place to find disgusting bacteria is right in your kitchen. To prevent food poisoning and respiratory illnesses, it's important to know where these bacteria live. The greatest number of fecal bacteria actually are found in the kitchen sink and the least number in your bathroom. Actually, there are 200 times more fecal bacteria on your cutting board than on a toilet seat. Based on this testing of homes, here are the top five hot spots:

* The kitchen sponge of dish rag is a germ's favorite place to live with 6,000 bacteria per square centimeter.
* The kitchen sink comes in second.
* The bathroom sink is third.
* Kitchen tap handles are fourth.
* And the refrigerator is fifth.

Note: The top of the toilet seat comes in dead last with less than one bacterium per square centimeter.
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Hmmm...Doesn't sound too clean to me.

And Jarrod,

I think this is a debate more than a fight...why not talk about it.
This is not the only time that cold shocking will come up, let people read others opinions and come up with their own opinions.

What's the use of these two having a PM war over this?... then no one can benefit from their discussion. What's the big deal?


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    #4818911 - 10/18/05 01:35 AM (16 years, 12 days ago)

"THE POSTER WILL DECIDE WHO'S ADVICE HE WANTS TO TAKE AND WILL LEARN WHO'S CORRECT THROUGH TRIAL AND ERROR"

Did I or Did I not say that???


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    #4819000 - 10/18/05 02:00 AM (16 years, 12 days ago)

Why are you yelling?

My point is that not only the poster is reading this. This is the nature of a board. It's for everybody.

I've read five pages of this "old post" and I am still interested in the debate, so what's wrong with re-visiting it?

I actually was wondering about the pertinence of cold shocking casings myself, and this post has helped me realize that I tend to agree with ThePerspective on this.

Not that he's right or wrong but that's why the board is cool right? Cuz we can all learn from it, not every post is JUST for the poster.

I just don't understand why you're so hot under the collar about this one bro...whatever...nuff said about it then.


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