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Dunk cakes before crumbling to casing?
    #4804858 - 10/14/05 08:04 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

When I get my cakes colonized, should I dunk and/or refrigerate the cakes before putting them in as a casing layer or should i just crumble the colonized cake without dunking?

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Re: Dunk cakes before crumbling to casing? [Re: Raspo]
    #4804871 - 10/14/05 08:08 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think you'd want to cold shock your cakes before you cased them. I thought cold shocking them was to initiate pinning, which you don't want when casing them.. yet. Dunno about the dunking part, but if you case you usually have a layer that is well moistened so I don't know if there'd be a point to dunking the cakes.

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Re: Dunk cakes before crumbling to casing? [Re: oniq]
    #4804900 - 10/14/05 08:16 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

thanks for the info oniq, that was helpful, i forgot the mycelium needs to keep growing before pins

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Re: Dunk cakes before crumbling to casing? [Re: oniq]
    #4804912 - 10/14/05 08:19 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Dunno about the dunking part, but if you case you usually have a layer that is well moistened so I don't know if there'd be a point to dunking the cakes.




Agreed, dunking isn't necessary when you crumble + case a substrate. Don't worry about the cold shock. Cold shocking cubensis does next-to-nothing in my experience.


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Re: Dunk cakes before crumbling to casing? [Re: Holydiver]
    #4805346 - 10/14/05 10:23 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

can anyone give me a good link that explains a good deal about casing substrate? im going to use perlite and just lay my cakes down in a rubbermaid container, but idk enough about casing w/ substrate. i'd like to do both and compare results.


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Re: Dunk cakes before crumbling to casing? [Re: KidgardFromSRQ]
    #4805735 - 10/14/05 11:28 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I don't agree that cold shocking does nothing. during my first casing attempt, I was faced with a grave overlay problem. The myc would simply not stop colonizing. it began to overtake my casing layer, when one member of the shroomery suggested that I put 'em in the fridge and that would stop the colonization and induce pinning. Wow. Was he right. within 24 hours I was pinning like a mad man. So cold shocking your cakes might just tell your myc that it's time to start pinning, when in reality, you wanna keep 'em in colonization mode.

Simply crumble your cakes, and stir in some horse poo. Then let them colonize and case. If you want to experiment with the cold shocking, case them, and cold shock a few pans and compare with non-shocked pans. I'm sure you'll be pleased.


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Re: Dunk cakes before crumbling to casing? [Re: KidgardFromSRQ]
    #4805933 - 10/15/05 12:16 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3290155/an/0/page/0


Heres a good tek and explanation of doing a decent casing.


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Re: Dunk cakes before crumbling to casing? [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4806659 - 10/15/05 08:00 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

^^^VERY good link if i do say so myself.

i would without a doubt dunk before crumbling the cake in a casing. it will just end up making the flush so much more faster growing in the end.


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Re: Dunk cakes before crumbling to casing? [Re: ShroomArtist84]
    #4806676 - 10/15/05 08:10 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I always dunk.


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Re: Dunk cakes before crumbling to casing? [Re: Raspo]
    #4806685 - 10/15/05 08:22 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Dunking cakes is not really necessary for a casing because the casing layer will hold in the moisture fairly well.

I still do dunk my cakes before I case them for 12 hours at room temp. Force of habbit I guess.

Cold shocking is a BIG misconception when it comes to actives. It will have NO positive affect on your yield. The only thing it will do is slow your pinning down by 3-5 days. With a caseing, it may stop vegitative growth wich you need during incubation.

Cold shocking should only be used for gourmet mushrooms. Some gourmet mushrooms need that big of a temp drop as a pinning trigger. That is not the case with cubensis and other actives.

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Re: Dunk cakes before crumbling to casing? [Re: srgtm1a]
    #4806698 - 10/15/05 08:34 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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Cold shocking is a BIG misconception when it comes to actives. It will have NO positive affect on your yield. The only thing it will do is slow your pinning down by 3-5 days. With a caseing, it may stop vegitative growth wich you need during incubation.

Cold shocking should only be used for gourmet mushrooms. Some gourmet mushrooms need that big of a temp drop as a pinning trigger. That is not the case with cubensis and other actives.






This not not true, Cubensis and Cyans may not need a drop in temp, but Azures def. need some cold weather to start fruiting.


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Re: Dunk cakes before crumbling to casing? [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4806727 - 10/15/05 09:05 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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srgtm1a said:
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Cold shocking is a BIG misconception when it comes to actives. It will have NO positive affect on your yield. The only thing it will do is slow your pinning down by 3-5 days. With a caseing, it may stop vegitative growth wich you need during incubation.

Cold shocking should only be used for gourmet mushrooms. Some gourmet mushrooms need that big of a temp drop as a pinning trigger. That is not the case with cubensis and other actives.






This not not true, Cubensis and Cyans may not need a drop in temp, but Azures def. need some cold weather to start fruiting.




Sure, You are correct, Azures do. I was mainly refering to cubensis strains in that statement, which is what most people on here, especially new growers grow. By the time people are ready to grow Azures they will or should already have a grasp on what is needed for those.

I should have been more specific in that statement, sorry.

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