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Can you add fertilizer to cakes?
#4805452 - 10/14/05 10:40 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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After searching for a related thread, I've been stumped. I know that my first attempt at a grow shouldn't be deviated from the tek much (or at all) until I get the hang of it. But out of curiosity, is possible to fertilize a cake? For example: A little fertilizer in the water when you dunk a cake, or a little fertilizer in the water when you mix up a substrate before it gets PC'ed? I'm not talking about going overboard, just maybe a little something that might boost yields/colonization/pinning. I know the question is a little loosely defined, with quite a few variables. But I'm just wondering if it will have positive or negative repercussions. Has anyone tried doing this before? If so, please, share your thoughts on this matter.
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Re: Can you add fertilizer to cakes? *DELETED* [Re: lid]
#4805545 - 10/14/05 10:52 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: Can you add fertilizer to cakes? [Re: jarroddupont]
#4805582 - 10/14/05 10:59 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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I asked the same question...and was told that the nutes are gained from the sub and not the H20.
Thus, adding nutes to any water other then that which is used in the sub, (BEFORE COLONIZATION), is pointless.
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Re: Can you add fertilizer to cakes? [Re: Bamaman]
#4805693 - 10/14/05 11:21 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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When you asked this question, did you get any information on enriching the the substrate by other means rather than adding fertilizer to the H20? Did adding 'nutes' to the water used in forming the substrate work out? Taking into account that added nitrogen might burn the mycelium, would it be effective to boost Phosphorus or Potassium levels during the substrate formation, say with something low/no nitrogen ie: bloodmeal, or bonemeal?
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Re: Can you add fertilizer to cakes? [Re: lid]
#4805756 - 10/14/05 11:32 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've seen comments about adding tryptophan to your substrate, but haven't really entertained the idea. Search the forums and see what you come up with.
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Re: Can you add fertilizer to cakes? [Re: lid]
#4805800 - 10/14/05 11:47 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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The impression I got was; that nutes must be in the sub and cannot be added except in the sense of spawning.
Adding nutes to water in the sub has received positive results from those who did it. Some use mineral water, some use the poo water they drained after pasteurizing their poo, some use water from creeks/streams/etc...
When it comes to subjects on nitrogen, phosphorus, potassium, bloodmeal and/or bonemeal content in ones sub...I simply don't know. I suggest using the search function or waiting for a more experienced cultivator to answer.
I am guessing that you are simply looking for any and all methods to increase the potency. There are many ways to do this including starting with a more potent species... to sub content...to things which you can do before consumption, etc...
Try a search on potency.
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Re: Can you add fertilizer to cakes? [Re: Bamaman]
#4805902 - 10/15/05 12:08 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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In my opinion if you want better results you should get out of doing BRF cakes and start with grains and then move to Horse Poo. I did not start out with cakes and I do not believe that grains are all that much harder. Although it is more important to use a PC when using grains.
I have fiddled with adding L-5-Hyrdoxytrptophan to substrates to increase potency. But have had little to no added effects in potency or increase of flushes and what not.
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I agree, except that I would go straight to spawning grains to poo. It seems a little overwhelming to most that are new to this hobby, but once you do it, you'll see that it's a piece of cake.
However, if you are just growing for personal use and don't have the need for many mushrooms, I'd stick to the PF tek.
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Re: Can you add fertilizer to cakes? [Re: FooMan]
#4806565 - 10/15/05 06:28 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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PF tek puts off weak fruits though, I would still prefer to do RYE by itself and just dont make a huge amount. If your growing for personal use that is.
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I wouldn't call the fruits weak, but weaker. You can always nute up the recipe a little too with some poo water, honey, quinoa, etc. I'm not knocking rye or any other cased whole grains though.
I'm talking more for the weekend warrior that isn't going to want to buy a PC and just wants an easy-to-do tek.
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