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Offlinebox_man_420
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Casing......
    #4802558 - 10/14/05 07:13 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I had a question about a the casing layer I thought maybe someone could clear up for me. I wanted to try a different method using Vermiculite, Grain, and Perlite. But I was a bit throw off when the instructions said it needed to use "Organic Rye Grain." So I went to every store I could think of and I wasn't able to find "Organic Rye Grain." I even went to a organic food store. But , I was wondering why cant I just use short grain brown rice? Or does it haft to be Grain...and if so what kind? And where can I find it?  I'll probably feel like a dumb ass when ya'll tell me.  But thats OK.

Thanks a Mill!



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Offlinewillmafingerdo
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Re: Casing...... [Re: box_man_420]
    #4802625 - 10/14/05 07:37 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

what do you mean you were gonna use verm,grain, perlite for your casing layer?? you dont want grain or perlite in your casing layer.. the casing layer is saposta be a nutrient free layer that holds moister.  grain is what you inoc and then place in a container and place the casing layer over top of it.

when they say "grain" they mean any kind of grain like WBS, popcorn, rye berries, whole brown rice like you said.. any kind of grain (as far as i know) as long as it dosent have any chemicals on it. and you dont use perlite in your casing.

dont feel like a dumb ass everyones gotta learn :smile: hope i understood your question right.. and hope this helped some :smile: gl


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Re: Casing...... [Re: box_man_420]
    #4802631 - 10/14/05 07:39 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

goto a local feed store. if you can't get a hold of rye grain just pick up some wild bird seed without sunflower seeds in it. there is a method useing rye flour to boost nutritional content of the substrate called S.A.C. or supplementation at casing. this merthod is described on page 126 in The Mushroom Cultivator.

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Re: Casing...... [Re: thenewguy05]
    #4802656 - 10/14/05 07:47 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

you can use WBS with sunflower seeds in it. you just dont want to many sunflower seeds in the mix. they are benifical cuz they produce some oil that helps out. and dont worry about pulling all the floaters off they wont screw up your jars any..


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I am not lost.. i am going there looking for it.. and when i get there and find it, i will know what it is..

"The way to stop violence is not to go out and let your head be beaten in but to say, you want to take my life risk yours!"

"are you sure u want to eat all them shrooms??"  "yes i want to hear what my mind has to say..."

remember opions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink.

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Re: Casing...... [Re: willmafingerdo]
    #4802683 - 10/14/05 07:56 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

i've never had any luck with sunflower seeds so i don't buy them. i have been useing wild delight outdoor finch food . mycelium really likes the niger grass seed.

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Re: Casing...... [Re: willmafingerdo]
    #4803913 - 10/14/05 03:31 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

willmafingerdo said:
what do you mean you were gonna use verm, grain, perlite for your casing layer?? you dont want grain or perlite in your casing layer.. the casing layer is saposta be a nutrient free layer that holds moister.  grain is what you inoc and then place in a container and place the casing layer over top of it.

when they say "grain" they mean any kind of grain like WBS, popcorn, rye berries, whole brown rice like you said.. any kind of grain (as far as i know) as long as it dosent have any chemicals on it. and you dont use perlite in your casing.

dont feel like a dumb ass everyones gotta learn :smile: hope i understood your question right.. and hope this helped some :smile: gl




OK now I'm confused....this is what I'm working with....This is where I got the Idea of using Vermiculite, Grain,and Perlite:  http://www.shrooms.cc/mes_casing.htm
And so if I can use perlite then what up with this web site?  Or can you use perlite?  Check out the site and let me know.

Thanks

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Invisiblemusher_420
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Re: Casing...... [Re: box_man_420]
    #4804217 - 10/14/05 05:02 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

First time I have seen that tek. But you must have misunderstood.. The vermiculite is the only thing they are using for a casing layer in that tek. And they are using colonized grain as substrate. Under it is the soaked perlight. The soaked perlight is a common way to hummidify a Fruiting chamber. What they have done here is just put the colonized substrate directly on top of the perlight with out putting it into a pan. Then they just cased with strait up vermicult. From the pics it looks like they had results.


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Re: Casing...... [Re: box_man_420]
    #4806589 - 10/15/05 06:53 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

that is the keepers site. DO NOT DO ANYTHING OR BUY ANYTHING FROM THAT GUY!!! EVER EVER EVER!! here is the basic idea of casing.

you inoculate your grain, BRF cake.. what ever your using. 

when its fully colonized (compleatly white) then mix up some of your casing mix, i use 50/50+ tec (link below) its a mix of peatmoss and vermiculite and crushed oyster shells. i do 4 cups peat : 4 cups verm : 2 cups crushed oyster shells.  that is your casing layer mix.  then you put a layer on the bottom of your pan, about 1/2" - 1" deep.

then you will get your grain, BRF cake what ever it is you used and brake it up evenly overtop of the bottom layer of casing mix you put down in the bottom of your pan.

then once that is all broken up and evenly distributed you get some more of your casing layer mix and put about a 1/4"- 5/8" deep layer over top of your crubmled up spawn. put extra spawn into a ziplock baggie youll need it for later.

cover w/ tinfoil & poke some holes in it and place back into your incubator till you see mycilum poking threw (2-3 days).  lightly cover these spots w/ some of your left over casing mix.

place casing in fridge for 12-24 hrs.

uncover and place in your FC.

now that is just a general run down of what should happen, read up on the FAQ's and you will get all the details about humidity, FAE and stuff like that.

i have put some links below, the one gives a general walkthrew on doing a casing w/ pics. i hope this helps clear things up for ya. :smile:

basic casing tec http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/23805
casing layer mix (50/50+) http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/7977


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:scaryshroom: :shitstorm: :mattz: :bongload: :gethigh: :scaryshroom:

I am not lost.. i am going there looking for it.. and when i get there and find it, i will know what it is..

"The way to stop violence is not to go out and let your head be beaten in but to say, you want to take my life risk yours!"

"are you sure u want to eat all them shrooms??"  "yes i want to hear what my mind has to say..."

remember opions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink.

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Re: Casing...... [Re: willmafingerdo]
    #4806609 - 10/15/05 07:16 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

willmafingerdo said:
that is the keepers site. DO NOT DO ANYTHING OR BUY ANYTHING FROM THAT GUY!!! EVER EVER EVER!! 




:thumbup:

Total ripoff! He sells kits for over a hundred dollars that would cost less than $25 to do yourself. I guess that's how he can afford to advertise in HT.


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