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Offline3eyeswise
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Re: Are OOBEs of a spiritual nature? [Re: spud]
    #4794698 - 10/12/05 07:01 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

"I don't think you have a clue of what your talking about,don't need no science to prove that" thats what you said right? Where I come from I take shit like that personal.


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Invisiblespud
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Re: Are OOBEs of a spiritual nature? [Re: 3eyeswise]
    #4794712 - 10/12/05 07:02 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

I'm sorry, I was merely pointing out your ignorance on the subject matter.

The truth can hurt, I realize that. I really couldn't think of a prettier way to sugar up my words.

I apologize on behalf of your arrogance and lack of knowledge.

All is well!

:grin:

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InvisibleToadie
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Re: Are OOBEs of a spiritual nature? [Re: spud]
    #4794743 - 10/12/05 07:08 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

All sensation is an illusion based upon raw information.
Sometimes that illusion fucks up yet the information remains constant.
Hence the out-of-body experience.


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Offline3eyeswise
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Re: Are OOBEs of a spiritual nature? [Re: spud]
    #4794752 - 10/12/05 07:10 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

OK shure,and I apologize for your arrogance and ignorance on the subject too,because you obviously don't know anything about anyone who has had a near death experience or obe.Look some more information up before you post stuff like this. The truth will hurt it's going to be real funny when you die.


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Invisiblespud
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Re: Are OOBEs of a spiritual nature? [Re: 3eyeswise]
    #4794755 - 10/12/05 07:10 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

3eyeswise said:
The truth will hurt it's going to be real funny when you die.




Please stop insulting me.

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InvisibleToadie
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Re: Are OOBEs of a spiritual nature? [Re: spud]
    #4794764 - 10/12/05 07:12 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

You know, you're not really required to reply to someone who doesn't understand proper punctuation.


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Offline3eyeswise
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Re: Are OOBEs of a spiritual nature? [Re: spud]
    #4794775 - 10/12/05 07:15 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Eye for an Eye friend thats all.I gotta go so have a good life.SPUD SAYS"YES this 3eyeswise fucker is finally signing off" its all good man no hard feelings I was just expressing some thoughts thats all.Later


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Invisiblespud
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Re: Are OOBEs of a spiritual nature? [Re: 3eyeswise]
    #4794781 - 10/12/05 07:17 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

:heart:

Learn to love, not hate.

Come back refreshed with no hate in your heart.

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InvisibleToadie
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Re: Are OOBEs of a spiritual nature? [Re: spud]
    #4794791 - 10/12/05 07:18 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

SMOKE DRUGS!!!


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InvisibleAsante
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Re: Are OOBEs of a spiritual nature? [Re: spud]
    #4794922 - 10/12/05 07:49 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Spud, you pose the question whether OOBE are spiritual, then you immediately answer it with "science says no", add a scientific article and literally leave it at that.

In doing this you are not discussing from your spirituality but from your rationalism and philosophical considerations.

Therefore this is not a Spirituality thread, but it starts out as a philosophical announcement, which are best discussed in the Philosophy forum.

I'm not impressed by the quality of this thread.

"Science says no" is your only input. Thats an announcement, nothing more, it doesnt even say where you stand.

You have arguable flaming from one side and arguable trolling on the other side. Since forum policies differ I'll put this one in Philosophy and ask the moderators to review it according to their forum policies.


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Invisiblespud
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Re: Are OOBEs of a spiritual nature? [Re: Asante]
    #4794927 - 10/12/05 07:51 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Wiccan_Seeker said:
Spud, you pose the question whether OOBE are spiritual, then you immediately answer it with "science says no", add a scientific article and literally leave it at that.





What? Did you read my follow up posts?

I went into depth with my beliefs.

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Offlinenonick
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Re: Are OOBEs of a spiritual nature? [Re: spud]
    #4795009 - 10/12/05 08:09 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

this one is a no brainer.

science tells us that there is no such thing as a spirit, or spiritual nature.  :wink:

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InvisibleMoonshoe
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Re: Are OOBEs of a spiritual nature? [Re: spud]
    #4795011 - 10/12/05 08:09 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

"are obes of a spiritual natures?"

this question is impossible to answer.

is dreaming of a spiritual nature?

is thinking of a spiritual nature?

is life spiritual?

is death?

an obe is a mental state that exists, is quite common, and is unique and distinct from any other state. Its causes are unknown (angular gyrus stimulation may be one cause, but the phenomenon is far from fully understood or explained)

is that "spiritual" ?

totally subjective.

its definetly strange, trippy and fun though.


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Offlinenonick
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Re: Are OOBEs of a spiritual nature? [Re: spud]
    #4795030 - 10/12/05 08:14 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

spud said:
Many spiritualists have cell phones, no?

Purchasing a cell phone is a great leap in scientific faith.




scientists understand that there no such thing as faith. this is why only religious people who are irrational express what they sometimes experience as a "loss of faith" or something.

scientists do not ever have a "loss of rationality"

purchasing a cell phone and expecting it to work is a realist/rationalist action.

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Invisiblespud
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Re: Are OOBEs of a spiritual nature? [Re: nonick]
    #4795046 - 10/12/05 08:17 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Science relies on assumptions, which could be argued is a system of faith.

Someone wrote a book on this issue, I don't really remember the name.

It's not comparable to religion due to the scrutiny and testing done to prove these assumptions as correct, where as there is a lack of that in religion.

They are still assumptions though.

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Offlinenonick
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Re: Are OOBEs of a spiritual nature? [Re: spud]
    #4795059 - 10/12/05 08:19 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

"Science relies on assumptions, which could be argues is a system of faith."

HA! science DOES NOT rely on assumptions. name me one assumption i am making when i say "A=A"

lol. this could be funny.

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Invisibleit stars saddam
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Re: Are OOBEs of a spiritual nature? [Re: spud]
    #4795066 - 10/12/05 08:20 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

:beavis: :butthead: Heheheh.. uhh.. out of body experiences are cool... ehhh..eheheheh  :butthead: :beavis:

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Invisiblespud
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Re: Are OOBEs of a spiritual nature? [Re: nonick]
    #4795095 - 10/12/05 08:26 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Assumptions form an unavoidable aspect of the scientific method. Every scientific theory is inherently founded upon a collection of assumptions. These assumptions separate the domain where the theory is valid. The theory can?t be applied reliably to a situation if one or more of its assumptions are violated. Just because a theory works, it says nothing about the universal validity of its assumptions. It says nothing about what will happen if one of the assumptions does not apply.

One of the most dominant assumptions of science is that the assumption that nature is regular and structured.

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Re: Are OOBEs of a spiritual nature? [Re: spud]
    #4795108 - 10/12/05 08:29 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

science acknowledges that things are what they are. if nature is regular, science will acknowledge that, as it does with relativity. if nature is irregular, as quantum mechanics shows, science will also acknowledge that. just because one appears regular with our known information and the other does not, does not mean that there is not a deep unity between the two seemingly contradictory facts.

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Invisiblespud
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Re: Are OOBEs of a spiritual nature? [Re: nonick]
    #4795122 - 10/12/05 08:32 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Science admits to the assumption of nature being regular. It's usually in the first chapter of any Science 101 book along with:

True, physical universe exists
Universe is primarily orderly
The principles that define the functioning of the universe can be discovered
All ideas are tentative, potentially changed by new information

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