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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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InvisibleDirtMcgirt
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Re: Liberal and Conservative as psychological archetypes [Re: Silversoul]
    #4786255 - 10/11/05 05:43 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

To make it easy on myself I'll quote the detestable Wikipedia (the combination of all psuedo-intellectual computer dorks all rolled up into one!):

Archetype is defined as an original model of which all other similar persons, objects, or concepts are merely derivative, copied, patterned, or emulated. Archetype is also a template which exists in the unconscious part of the human brain, and can guide ones ability to understand.


So therefore your idea about one achetype defining another is invalid because one doesn'e exist except in one another's eyes! Your post is self-contradicting because you understand this inconsistency but still rely on it to define psychologial belief systems relating to worldviews. Everybody who disagrees with you (or me, or he, or she, or they, or them, or the Arabs, or the Nazi Americans, etc, etc, etc) is a victim of not understanding what REALLY is going on (there is no objective reality). Really all that means is you don't understand my respective understanding!

Liberal and conservative is just a way to define one's political views according to the present power structure in America. These words don't mean anything outside of the US or our time period even


If people would stop saying "all the people who oppose issue x are like y" we would have actual discussion about issues. People just need to shut the fuck up and listen to what other people have to say instead of waiting for their turn to speak.


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Re: Liberal and Conservative as psychological archetypes [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #4787903 - 10/11/05 03:34 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I generally think you're insane but that was well put. Who wrote it for you? (If you don't know the right reply, ask me)


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Re: Liberal and Conservative as psychological archetypes [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4790620 - 10/11/05 11:44 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I'll take that as a compliment. If I can remember correctly (which I can't) it was either my first or second bottle of Mickey's.

I probably read something to its effect in the past though so let me know who came up with it.


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Re: Liberal and Conservative as psychological archetypes [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #4790642 - 10/11/05 11:48 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

DirtMcgirt said:
To make it easy on myself I'll quote the detestable Wikipedia (the combination of all psuedo-intellectual computer dorks all rolled up into one!):

Archetype is defined as an original model of which all other similar persons, objects, or concepts are merely derivative, copied, patterned, or emulated. Archetype is also a template which exists in the unconscious part of the human brain, and can guide ones ability to understand.


So therefore your idea about one achetype defining another is invalid because one doesn'e exist except in one another's eyes! Your post is self-contradicting because you understand this inconsistency but still rely on it to define psychologial belief systems relating to worldviews. Everybody who disagrees with you (or me, or he, or she, or they, or them, or the Arabs, or the Nazi Americans, etc, etc, etc) is a victim of not understanding what REALLY is going on (there is no objective reality). Really all that means is you don't understand my respective understanding!

Liberal and conservative is just a way to define one's political views according to the present power structure in America. These words don't mean anything outside of the US or our time period even


If people would stop saying "all the people who oppose issue x are like y" we would have actual discussion about issues. People just need to shut the fuck up and listen to what other people have to say instead of waiting for their turn to speak.



You're overcomplicating the issue. All I'm saying is that there are certain personality traits which seem to go with certain beliefs, and that these traits are fundamental in the formation of their opinions. Do you disagree with that premise?


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Re: Liberal and Conservative as psychological archetypes [Re: Silversoul]
    #4790761 - 10/12/05 12:07 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I agree with the premise per se, but in the realm of politics I don't agree. Political views exist only within a political landscape, not outside of it so they are shaped by one's experience and personal version of said landscape far more than individual personality traits.

I (over)simplified the issue, not overcomplicated it.


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Re: Liberal and Conservative as psychological archetypes [Re: DirtMcgirt]
    #4793046 - 10/12/05 01:45 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

The correct answer to the query "Who wrote it for you?" is, and forever must be, "I did, who read it to you?"


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Re: Liberal and Conservative as psychological archetypes [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4794326 - 10/12/05 06:05 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

:foreheadslap:...and here I was giving credit to an inanimate object!


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