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 Divided_Sky
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 I think I might finally become a Libertarian 
#4793235 - 10/12/05 02:27 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I used to think Republicans were a lesser of two evils, that they were more rational and for limited government. But now I see that a vote for either party is a vote for authoritarian federalism and an establishment that has spent the last 80 years destroying civil liberties. People now take it for granted that the government should be able to put you in jail for doing harmless things to yourself that don't affect anyone else. Everyone knows: drugs are bad, if you do drugs you are bad, bad people belong in jail, and it has gone on for so long that the masses accept this. If the government had perfect law enforcement capabilites a whole 45% of Americans would be in jail, but we still do not question the governments right to squelche free choice of the individual. They won't let you end your life when you are dying a slow and painful death, they won't let you alter your consciousness with drugs that are non-addictive and physically harmless and enforce collective punishment people responsible people in jail because irresponsible people get themselves into trouble with drugs. Even with prostitution, we only make the situation worse with a black market.
Bush is not, neither would Kerry, nominating Clarence Thomas or William Rhenquist type judges who believe in Liberty and States Rights. He has nominated Federalists who give him any power he wants. To the two parties it's only about abortion and affirmative action, the issue of the Government's ability to take away your civil liberties is off the table for both of them, and is the most unnoticed casualty. The Constitution takes a back seat to trivial political issues.
I cannot support a systematic policy of Prohibitionist Government and unfortunately both major parties not only support this but believe it is a Constitutional Right of the government and thanks to years of propaganda so do the masses.
Libertarianism starts to sound appealing. It's too bad that their laize fair policies don't work as well when applied to businesses and organizations. The Government should protect people from each other, not themselves, and it seems that lax regulation of the private sector would be very unethical given human nature to exploit others. That said maybe Libertarians are the best hope we have.
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Edited by Divided_Sky (10/12/05 02:36 PM)
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MikeOLogical
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Re: I think I might finally become a Libertarian [Re: Divided_Sky]
#4793537 - 10/12/05 03:34 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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i wouldn't want to become a libertarian, because then i'd have to buy a suit thats too big for me, drive a crappy electric car, and hang around the courthouse preaching jury nullification 
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Re: I think I might finally become a Libertarian [Re: Divided_Sky]
#4793608 - 10/12/05 03:47 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Divided_Sky said:
That said maybe Libertarians are the best hope we have.
They're the most dangerous party in the country when it comes to domestic policy.
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Gijith
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Re: I think I might finally become a Libertarian [Re: Divided_Sky]
#4793672 - 10/12/05 03:59 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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As long as you don't start making shocking posts about taxation being theft, needlessly arming yourself to the teeth for the coming revolt against the goverment, or insisting that I start paying my electric bills with bullion, it sounds like a good plan.
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Re: I think I might finally become a Libertarian [Re: Gijith]
#4793683 - 10/12/05 04:02 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ypu can tell the Libertarians have come of age when they have their own lunatic fringe
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Re: I think I might finally become a Libertarian [Re: zappaisgod]
#4793850 - 10/12/05 04:33 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Divided_Sky
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Re: I think I might finally become a Libertarian [Re: Los_Pepes]
#4793879 - 10/12/05 04:37 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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I thought about the Green Party but those guys are totally ridiculous. I can't stand all the stupid shit from the left but I am slowly finding myself in that quadrant. I took the political compass again and it put in the same spot as Ralph Nader!
I don't like libertarian economic, public health or environmental policy but when I look to the Left they are just nuts and I could never support them.
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Re: I think I might finally become a Libertarian [Re: Los_Pepes]
#4793941 - 10/12/05 04:48 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Palestinian Martyrs Triumphant
By Genevieve Cora Fraser
Bodies borne aloft
Shut into death's release
Float in caskets swaying
On a sea of Arab hands
Palestinian assassinated
Remains charred as on a pyre
Are shielded in Prophet Green
Strew with floral offerings
Israeli forces occupied
With treacherous plots
Foment a reign of terror
Exploded in their minds
Yassin's death beats time
Alive at spirt's door
He welcomes home
The disheartened
To drink at unity's well
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Silversoul
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Re: I think I might finally become a Libertarian [Re: bukkake]
#4794017 - 10/12/05 05:05 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
bukkake said:
Quote:
Divided_Sky said:
That said maybe Libertarians are the best hope we have.
They're the most dangerous party in the country when it comes to domestic policy.
No, that would be the Republicrats(one party posing as two).
Divided_Sky, I applaud your decision. While I no longer adhere as strictly to their ideology as I used to, I still think they are what this nation needs right now. I currently think of myself as a Green Libertarian. I support small government, smart tax policy, state's rights, and individual rights, but I also support peace, ecological wisdom, and social responsibility(if only we'd move to a Georgist system, we could achieve this without the monstrosity that is the welfare state, but for now I consider such social programs to be a necessary evil). I still lean more towards the Libertarian side, but there are some Green Party candidates whom I might consider voting for, especially in local elections. One thing I don't plan on going back to is the lesser of two evils strategy. Whether Libertarian or Green, I plan to support third-party politics in America until we can get through to the duopoly and push for real progress.
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 Re: I think I might finally become a Libertarian [Re: Silversoul]
#4794134 - 10/12/05 05:27 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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"I think I might finally become a libertarian."
good for you. 
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Divided_Sky
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Re: I think I might finally become a Libertarian [Re: Silversoul]
#4794145 - 10/12/05 05:29 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Well I think we both see pretty much eye to eye on things now except I am more ambivalent/sympathetic to some Bush foreign policy initiatives.
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1. "After an hour I wasn't feeling anything so I decided to take another..."
2. "We were feeling pretty good so we decided to smoke a few bowls..."
3. "I had to be real quiet because my parents were asleep upstairs..."
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Re: I think I might finally become a Libertarian [Re: Divided_Sky]
#4794220 - 10/12/05 05:44 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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i took the political compass quiz today and i was just a tad to the left on the economic scale. 
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Re: I think I might finally become a Libertarian [Re: Silversoul]
#4794379 - 10/12/05 06:12 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Paradigm said:
No, that would be the Republicrats(one party posing as two).
Who would quell the riots caused by the USLP's social darwinist domestic policies after they radically downsize the military and police forces?
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Re: I think I might finally become a Libertarian [Re: bukkake]
#4794524 - 10/12/05 06:31 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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You know, that link you gave me on why socialism is better than libertarianism has to be the most benighted thing I've ever read.  Thanks for sending it to me though.
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Re: I think I might finally become a Libertarian [Re: Unagipie]
#4794672 - 10/12/05 06:58 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Anarchy, silly.
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Unagipie
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Re: I think I might finally become a Libertarian [Re: bukkake]
#4794692 - 10/12/05 07:00 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ok?
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looner2
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Re: I think I might finally become a Libertarian [Re: Unagipie]
#4794772 - 10/12/05 07:13 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Libertarianism at home with neo-con foreign policy would be heaven!
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Re: I think I might finally become a Libertarian [Re: looner2]
#4794780 - 10/12/05 07:17 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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lol @ socialism and anarchy
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Re: I think I might finally become a Libertarian [Re: Redstorm]
#4794821 - 10/12/05 07:26 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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lol @ poverty and capitalism
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looner2
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Re: I think I might finally become a Libertarian [Re: bukkake]
#4794827 - 10/12/05 07:28 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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bukkake said:
lol @ poverty and capitalism
Europes socialism is doing great right about now. It didn't do so bad after the war however, but then again our capitalist system literally gave them the money to build their welfare states.
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